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(Original Air Date: 10/13/05) In a heartbeat, your entire life can change. No one knows this better than the families of Brandi and Daniel. Seventeen-year-old Brandi was a cheerleader, an excellent student and an all-American girl. She was in love with athletic 18-year old Daniel. Now he’s dead and she finds herself behind bars serving a 12-year sentence, all because of what happened in just a split second. Was it murder or simply a horrific accident? Hear members of both families describe how the tragedy unfolded, and the struggle to put together the pieces of their shattered lives. Plus, Dr. Phil visits Brandi in prison to ask some very hard questions. She has an emotional message for Daniel's mother -- and for Daniel. Talk about the show here.

 

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October 13, 2005, 6:51 pm PDT

ACCIDENT OR MURDER

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LOVE YOUR HOUR!  YOU UNRAVEL, WITH SUCH EASE, BONDS OF CONFUSION.  AND THROUGH IT ALL, WE SEE YOUR GREAT LOVE FOR HUMANITY.  JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT, AT THE END OF TODAY'S SHOW, I STILL FELT THAT EACH OF THE TWO FAMILIES NEEDED MORE TIME TO FOCUS ON DEVELOPING CONSTRUCTIVE FEELINGS IN THE POSITION THEY FIND THEMSELVES TODAY.  AND IF ANYONE CAN HELP THEM, YOU CAN!

 I COMPLETELY AGREE. BOTH OF THESE FAMILIES NEED ALOT OF PROFESSIONAL HELP. I HAVE MY OPINION ABOUT BRANDI'S STORY, BUT ITS NOT MY PLACE TO JUDGE HER. ONLY ONE PERSON HAS THAT AUTHORITY, AND WHAT DR. PHIL SAID ABOUT THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT KNOW WHAT REALLY HAPPENED ARE BRANDI AND DANIEL, WELL THE GOOD LORD ABOVE ALSO KNOWS AND THAT IS WHO BRANDI NEEDS TO WORRY ABOUT ANSWERING TO. THAT IS WHO SHE NEEDS TO MAKE HER PEACE WITH. I HOPE THAT DANIEL DIDN'T STEP OUT IN FRONT OF THAT CAR, BECAUSE IF HE DID HE ALSO IS ANSWERING TO THE ALMIGHTY. AS FOR THE FAMILIES, THERE IS NOTHING THEY CAN DO TO CHANGE WHAT HAS HAPPENED. EACH FAMILY NEEDS TO REMEMBER THE CHILDREN THAT ARE STILL IN THE HOME AND THEY NEED TO CONCENTRATE ON HELPING THEM HEAL AND HELPING THEM HAVE A HEALTHY LIFE FREE OF ANGER AND BITTERNESS. CRYSTAL, DANIEL'S SISTER SAID THAT THERE WILL NEVER BE FORGIVENESS. THATS A REALLY SAD, BECAUSE UNTIL THAT FORGIVENESS IS GIVEN HER HEART WILL  NEVER HAVE LOVE. THESE FAMILIES HAVE SO MUCH ANGER AND HATRED TOWARDS EACH OTHER. I JUST FEEL THAT THEY HAVE TO SEEK HELP AND DEAL WITH THERE EMOTIONS IN A HEALTHY WAY. I PRAY THAT GOD JUST POUR UPON THESE FAMILIES WITH A PEACE BEYOND UNDERSTANDING, THAT HE GIVES THEM THE ABILITY TO SEE WHAT IS TRUE AND REAL, AND THEY LEAN UPON HIM AND NOT THERE OWN UNDERSTANDING. THEY NEED TO STOP LAYING BLAME AND START THE HEALING PROCESS. 

 
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October 13, 2005, 6:51 pm PDT

Dr. Phil Should have asked

I wish Dr. Phil would have asked Brandy's parents...If there is an actual trial among her peers, and the jury says guilty and they would give her more time than the remaing 8 1/2 years like the possibility of life.....How would they feel then? I'm sorry, there were two many holes in her story. Do I believe there may have been domestic violence? Possibly....but, I feel she knew what she was doing when she did it. I'm so sick and tired of parents that are constantly in denial about their children. You always hear them say, even the parents of gang bangers...."Oh they're not a bad person, they've just made some bad choices".....well Boo Hoo....A person is dead now due to her bad choices that she made. She needs to admit to what she did....and pay the time. Just the fact that she put a tree branch through the windshield and then lied about what happened. I'm sorry - she's GUILTY.Daniel's parents should file a wrongful death lawsuit too. I can't believe Brandy's parents had the nerve to say that Daniels parents just wanted revenge....they don't want revenge they want JUSTICE....and that's a big difference.
 
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October 13, 2005, 6:51 pm PDT

10/13 Cheerleader Scandal

I don't think that revenge (ie Brandi staying in jail) is going to solve anything. You think that she is not going to think about this event the rest of her life... of course she is! She killed her high school sweetheart. This has ruined her life just as much as Daniel's family, what man is going to want to marry a woman that was in jail for running over her boyfriend? If she is guilty or not doesn't matter anymore in her life. She will never have a real job, never have a stable family life and never have a real stable relationship. I feel really bad for her because it was an accident and sometimes accidents do end in someone dying... she was being wreakless but I don't think that she went over there to kill the man that she loved.
 
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October 13, 2005, 6:52 pm PDT

talk about smart people

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i hear you and i feel you. You can't end up with a hole that size without hitting something. the only thing around was daniel and why didn't she stop at all. horrible. she didn't seem sorry.
there is a God !!!! You both hit it right on the nail... that's what is wrong with everyone today, all you have to do is cry a little bit and use abuse in your statement and you only get 12 years!!! The nerve of her family to point fingers at Daniels mom for missing time in his life, they raised their daughter the whole time and look what a little lying, murderer she turned out to be.
 
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October 13, 2005, 6:53 pm PDT

10/13 Cheerleader Scandal

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when i watched the show today and show dr.phil talking to brandi i really thought that she was just a scared young woman and she didnt know what to do about it. brandi's parents needs to keep on pushing for her to have another trail with a better lawyer this time.  

You say her parents should push for her to have another trial....there never was a trial it was a plea bargain that ended up giving her 12 years instead of the 4 months her lawyer originally said it would be. If they push for a trial and you have a jury of her peers, with a good prosecutor, she could end up never seeing outside her prison cell for quite a long time. She could even get life if they are able to prove she had the intent to hit him and kill him! So, her parents should accept the sentence she's been given and try to move on.
 
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October 13, 2005, 6:53 pm PDT

10/13 Cheerleader Scandal

After watching your show today I couldn't stop thinking about Brandi's situation.  As she told her side of her story of the events that unfolded the night of the accident I kept finding her circumstances similar to those I found myself in 15 years ago.  Before meeting my husband I dated a boy who was 18 & and I was just a few months older than him.  He was very kind in the beginning, but he began to verbally insult me, which made me feel insecure, & soon after that he began to physically abuse me.  At that time in my life I was very vulnerable & believed he had this power over me, & if I made him mad or did something he didn't like I was asking for the consequences that followed.  I tried to break it off several times, but he always threatened me.  He would pull out a very large hunting knife & hold it to my throat & tell me if I really meant what I said he would kill me.  I was fearful of him, I was scared to be w/him & even more scared to leave him.  The last night I ever saw him face to face I went to his friends house, & since there were people there I felt this was as good a time as any to break it off for good.  After doing so I ran to my car, he followed me, there was a struggle, I got in my car.  I had parked facing the wrong way on a dead end, so I had to turn around  before I could pass the friends house & then get out of there.  As I was driving away he banged on my windshield & windows w/his fists.  I was very frightened he would break my glass and somehow get in my car.  So when I got turned around, I sped up so when I passed by him he wouldn't be able to stop me.  He stepped out in front of my car, I swerved to avoid hitting him.  He threw some kind of object at my car and broke my back windshield, but I kept driving.  Had he stepped out in front of my car further than he did as I swerved away, my circumstances could have easily been that of Brandi's. The fact that they claim their son would have never stepped in front of a moving car is pure speculation on their part.  When someone who is so controlling sees that they are about to lose that control, they will take drastic measures to retain that control.   Such as stepping in front of a moving car to stop that person.   I don't want to sound as if I think what happened should be justified.  Only that I was in a situation similar to hers, I was young, he was abusive, he made threats on my life, & the night I finally got away from him he tried to intimidate me into stopping by standing in the road to block me as I passed.  That crazy person I was dating, stepped right in front of my car as I sped up in my attempt to get away from him.  When you live in fear of someone, your survival mode kicks in & believe Brandi was just trying to get away. 
 
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October 13, 2005, 6:56 pm PDT

10/13 Cheerleader Scandal

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I think everyone needs to relax a bit. Especially those typing in bold, caps , and red. You were not there and don't have a clue what you are talking about. What you have are two families that beleive they are each absolutely right and nothing anyone will say will change that. This is a story about kids being kids and make stupid choices in their life. It's also about parents (on both sides) that waited to get involved in their childrens lives after it was too late (and lives ended) and mistake after horrible mistake was made. 

  

All I know is that the result of what happened is Brandi and Daniel's fault as well as their parents. They both paid (and are paying) dearly for the choices they have made in their short life. It's time for the families to buck up and start to work on the pain they are feeling. What is done, is done, and nothing will ever bring things back to the way it was before all of this happened. Daniel's family needs to realize that he not totally innocent in all of this (he brought this on himself and with thier help) and need to start to forgive Brandi and her family so they can move on and honor the memory of their fallen loved one. Brandi's parents need to realize that she is not totally innocent either (she brought these events on to herself just as Daniel did and they are to blame) and need to patch their family up. I think they are being very selfish and their son is suffering for it. I think the biggest tragedy in all of this is what has happened to Brandi's brother. He seems to be suffering the most, but his mom and dad don't really seem to care about anything but the pain they are going through. I think Brandi is the only one dealing with this correctly. She realizes that is was caused by her and feels remorseful. Her family could help her out by helping themselves and realizing that she will be in prison for 12 years. They should be happy that she is still alive and may someday give them grandchildren and can still live a fulfilled life while still paying for her mistakes.  

  

It cracks me up how people react to this story on a message board. Yelling and screaming in postings. Instead, why don't put away your anger and go hug your kids or loved one. If your loved ones or kids are not around, call them on the phone and tell them you love them. This could happen to anyone, but will be less likely if you are more of a parent then the two sets of parents in this story. Know everything your kids are doing by being there for until they are mature. Brandi's parents should have put an end to this relationship the second they thought something was going on (and you know they knew their daughter was in over her head during her relationship). 

  

That's my two cents.  

  

Ken 

 We are always responsible for our actions. If we get mad and shoot someone we have to take responsibility for that action. But the person who was shot should not be the one blamed for the others' actions. In the word others' I am showing ownership of the action taken. You controll only yourself. If he would have been playing chicken with her car I would give him ownership, but that not being the case she has this one all to herself.....
 
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October 13, 2005, 6:59 pm PDT

Did you lie about your back windshield?

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After watching your show today I couldn't stop thinking about Brandi's situation.  As she told her side of her story of the events that unfolded the night of the accident I kept finding her circumstances similar to those I found myself in 15 years ago.  Before meeting my husband I dated a boy who was 18 & and I was just a few months older than him.  He was very kind in the beginning, but he began to verbally insult me, which made me feel insecure, & soon after that he began to physically abuse me.  At that time in my life I was very vulnerable & believed he had this power over me, & if I made him mad or did something he didn't like I was asking for the consequences that followed.  I tried to break it off several times, but he always threatened me.  He would pull out a very large hunting knife & hold it to my throat & tell me if I really meant what I said he would kill me.  I was fearful of him, I was scared to be w/him & even more scared to leave him.  The last night I ever saw him face to face I went to his friends house, & since there were people there I felt this was as good a time as any to break it off for good.  After doing so I ran to my car, he followed me, there was a struggle, I got in my car.  I had parked facing the wrong way on a dead end, so I had to turn around  before I could pass the friends house & then get out of there.  As I was driving away he banged on my windshield & windows w/his fists.  I was very frightened he would break my glass and somehow get in my car.  So when I got turned around, I sped up so when I passed by him he wouldn't be able to stop me.  He stepped out in front of my car, I swerved to avoid hitting him.  He threw some kind of object at my car and broke my back windshield, but I kept driving.  Had he stepped out in front of my car further than he did as I swerved away, my circumstances could have easily been that of Brandi's. The fact that they claim their son would have never stepped in front of a moving car is pure speculation on their part.  When someone who is so controlling sees that they are about to lose that control, they will take drastic measures to retain that control.   Such as stepping in front of a moving car to stop that person.   I don't want to sound as if I think what happened should be justified.  Only that I was in a situation similar to hers, I was young, he was abusive, he made threats on my life, & the night I finally got away from him he tried to intimidate me into stopping by standing in the road to block me as I passed.  That crazy person I was dating, stepped right in front of my car as I sped up in my attempt to get away from him.  When you live in fear of someone, your survival mode kicks in & believe Brandi was just trying to get away. 
 Interesting story. I'm curious if you tried to deceive people about the cause of your broken windshield. Don't you think Brandi's cover-up shows consciousness of guilt?
 
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October 13, 2005, 7:00 pm PDT

how well are inmates treated??

did anyone notice that brandi looked pretty good for being in jail four years? i just really took notice of her great makeup and waxed eyebrows.  not what you would expect for being behind bars.  i really feel for both families but dont feel justice is being served.  there were so many other options.  i was never close with my parents but if someone threatened to kill someone in my family i would have told someone and had something done about it.  and i agree with the comment that there are a lot of  holes in her story. 
 
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October 13, 2005, 7:01 pm PDT

10/13 Cheerleader Scandal

Quote From: onevoice

After watching your show today I couldn't stop thinking about Brandi's situation.  As she told her side of her story of the events that unfolded the night of the accident I kept finding her circumstances similar to those I found myself in 15 years ago.  Before meeting my husband I dated a boy who was 18 & and I was just a few months older than him.  He was very kind in the beginning, but he began to verbally insult me, which made me feel insecure, & soon after that he began to physically abuse me.  At that time in my life I was very vulnerable & believed he had this power over me, & if I made him mad or did something he didn't like I was asking for the consequences that followed.  I tried to break it off several times, but he always threatened me.  He would pull out a very large hunting knife & hold it to my throat & tell me if I really meant what I said he would kill me.  I was fearful of him, I was scared to be w/him & even more scared to leave him.  The last night I ever saw him face to face I went to his friends house, & since there were people there I felt this was as good a time as any to break it off for good.  After doing so I ran to my car, he followed me, there was a struggle, I got in my car.  I had parked facing the wrong way on a dead end, so I had to turn around  before I could pass the friends house & then get out of there.  As I was driving away he banged on my windshield & windows w/his fists.  I was very frightened he would break my glass and somehow get in my car.  So when I got turned around, I sped up so when I passed by him he wouldn't be able to stop me.  He stepped out in front of my car, I swerved to avoid hitting him.  He threw some kind of object at my car and broke my back windshield, but I kept driving.  Had he stepped out in front of my car further than he did as I swerved away, my circumstances could have easily been that of Brandi's. The fact that they claim their son would have never stepped in front of a moving car is pure speculation on their part.  When someone who is so controlling sees that they are about to lose that control, they will take drastic measures to retain that control.   Such as stepping in front of a moving car to stop that person.   I don't want to sound as if I think what happened should be justified.  Only that I was in a situation similar to hers, I was young, he was abusive, he made threats on my life, & the night I finally got away from him he tried to intimidate me into stopping by standing in the road to block me as I passed.  That crazy person I was dating, stepped right in front of my car as I sped up in my attempt to get away from him.  When you live in fear of someone, your survival mode kicks in & believe Brandi was just trying to get away. 
 You make a very good point.  There are a lot of ways this could have played out, and nobody is forthcoming with the real story, or can't remember. It is all pure speculation (and emotions) at this point.
 
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