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Topic : 03/16 Cheerleader Scandal

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(Original Air Date: 10/13/05) In a heartbeat, your entire life can change. No one knows this better than the families of Brandi and Daniel. Seventeen-year-old Brandi was a cheerleader, an excellent student and an all-American girl. She was in love with athletic 18-year old Daniel. Now he’s dead and she finds herself behind bars serving a 12-year sentence, all because of what happened in just a split second. Was it murder or simply a horrific accident? Hear members of both families describe how the tragedy unfolded, and the struggle to put together the pieces of their shattered lives. Plus, Dr. Phil visits Brandi in prison to ask some very hard questions. She has an emotional message for Daniel's mother -- and for Daniel. Talk about the show here.

 

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October 14, 2005, 5:06 am PDT

10/13 Cheerleader Scandal

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HOW CAN YOU BE CERTAIN THAT HE DID? THIS IS EVERYONE'S EXCUSE. ABUSE IS THE SCAPEGOAT FOR THE WORLD'S PROBLEMS OF TODAY. I WAS IN AN ABUSIVE RELATIONSHIP AND YOU DON'T SEE ME IN THE NEWSPAPER RUNING SOMEONE OVER. I JUST GOT THE COURAGE TO END IT AND NOW I'M HAPPY. SHE HAD NO RIGHT TO KILL THAT KID, AND I HATE WHEN PEOPLE USE ABUSE AS A KEY TO BREAK THE LAW. IF HE ABUSED HER SHE SHOULD OF CALLED THE COPS LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.
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October 14, 2005, 5:10 am PDT

Its a shame

I think the truth of what happened is somewhere in the middle of what we heard, although, I don't feel that it was premeditated. HOWEVER, jail is such a waste of human life. What if Brandi could help other teens choose another path instead of the one that she choose. THAT is the only good that could come from this tragedy. I hope the parents of the boy who lost his life, would, one day, be able to see through their pain, and choose to help others. I don't know that I would be brave enough to do so, but, I pray that they would be able to.  If Brandi were to be paroled, and conditions were set so she would have to speak to schools, talk to troubled  kids, talk until she is blue in the face about her mistakes, and what the cost has been to her AND HER FAMILY.  Just Maybe, she could save a life. I am sure many kids, never realize the cost to their own families. However, NONE of this can happen, if the family of the deceased boy,  continues to hate. They have that right, and I don't blame them,,,,,but,,,just maybe,,,,,,,,they could help keep their son's memory alive in a good way.......it is up to them........ 

 
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October 14, 2005, 5:12 am PDT

always a gamble

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Did you watch the same show I did? She put  a tree limb in the hole to fake an accident. On Earth we cal that a deception or in easier terms a LIE.............. She also said she was going 20 or 30 no she couldn't remember when Dr Phill said 58 feet. But hey maybe you have a Mars dictionary where lies are something ugly people tell or just men...She is a KNOWN LIER by her own parents mouths......

It is very difficult to know what to do and say when you're in the thick of it and everybody wants to condemn you. Brandi is fighting for her life. There is no guarantee that cops will believe the truth. They are not perfect. 

  

I think you lie too. And would lie. Would you simply roll over if you had done something EVERYBODY was misunderstanding? Would you not try to fill in the gaps because the people who are accusing you weren't there and don't seem willing to understand? 

  

Another problem is time. It takes a lot of time to explain the context of something. And who are you going to tell? No one is willing to listen. It is just too exciting to play judge and jury on a feeling. Like you are doing. 

 
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October 14, 2005, 5:14 am PDT

Not about blame

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This is also my first time writing anything on this discussion board.  I am so outraged by Brandi's family and especially Brandi.  Both her and her family are trying to blame him!!!  Her parent's cannot believe that she would ever do anything wrong especially murder!!!  They will blame whatever and whoever they can to take it off her.  I bet she never got in trouble when she was younger, it was never her fault...not their little girl... 

It is not about blame now,,,,,,it is too late for blame.......Please...people neeed to heal........it hurts to feel pain for over 4 years,,,,,,it will eventually kill off the rest of the two families in one way or another. Is that you want for these families??? Your post gives them "permission" to hate,,,,,,and that is the worst poison of all.  Just think about it.
 

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October 14, 2005, 5:19 am PDT

... and forgive us our trespasses ...

Too bad the photographs of the accident scene couldn't have been closely analyzed to see if the tracks in the yard even matched Brandi's car tires.  But even if they matched & if the patterns of the tracks indicated so, that would only show that she swerved and not that she premeditated it ...    

  

The truth is this horrible thing happened.  But all the anger in the world will never bring Daniel back.  Even if Brandi stayed locked up forever, he cannot come back.  Even if Brandi confessed that in a passionate moment of anger, she made a split second decision to strike him down, Daniel cannot come back.   

  

Daniel's family needs to understand this.  I believe that they are in so much pain that they simply want to strike out (like a cornered animal) and hurt those that they perceive are hurting them.   

  

BOTH FAMILIES need to STOP COMMUNICATING ENTIRELY with one another.  If I were either family, I would move away so I would never, ever happen to run into them or see them again.  Each time they see one another or hear something someone said in their community, their wounds are ripped wide open and salt is poured in.  Each family needs to find a way to "circle their wagons," blocking out the other family and focusing on healing themselves.   

  

Neither family benefits from saying ugly things to one another -- everyone is hurt by that behavior.  It seems to me that each family needs to nurture themselves and then someday, with God's help, each family MUST seek the strength to forgive ... because as Dr. Phil pointed out ... forgiveness, in the end, is not about the other person ... it is about self-healing.  My prayers will be with all of you ... 

  

"Then Peter came to him and asked, “Lord, how often should I forgive someone who sins against me? Seven times?”  “No!” Jesus replied, “seventy times seven!”  Matthew 18:21-22 

  

"Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you." Ephesians 4:32 


"Jesus said, "But when you are praying, first forgive anyone you are holding a grudge against, so that your Father in heaven will forgive your sins, too.”  Mark 11:25, 26  

  

 "You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.'  But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.  And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you. You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbour and hate your enemy.'  But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous." Matthew 5:38-45 

  

Remember, it is all in God's hands.  One day each of us will stand before Him in judgement and His eternal justice will right every wrong.  Prepare your hearts and your children for that day ...
 

  

  

 
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October 14, 2005, 5:24 am PDT

abuse is no excuse

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I have been in an abusive relationship before. Abusive both emotionally and physically to the point where you want to die to get out of it. I was told if I ever left he would kill himself or he would kill me and my next boyfriend if I ever got one. No one wants to think of their child as someone who could do this to another person, but dont make the mistake of blinding yourself to the fact there are guys out there who abuse their partners it could be your son and you would never know until the day someone gets killed.
I too was in a very abusive relationship with my husband for 11 years. My husband ended up killing himself and almost took me with him. Did anyone hear if this abuse issue had been talked about BEFORE the accident? Did Brandi tell anyone about the abuse or was this something that came up after the fact? I do believe that this was an accident but I just didn't believe that this boy jumped out in front of the car to kill himself. I think Brandi accidently hit him. However, I do not believe that her attorney should have been able to change the plea bargain without letting Brandi know first. He should be held accountable for his actions. Brandi probably would not have agreed to these terms and would have went to trial. It should have been her choice. I believe Brandi has done her time and her family has suffered enough. It's time for this boys family to go to grief counseling or do whatever is necessary in trying to put their lives back together. This was a horrible accident and several lives were distroyed. Also, my advise to Brandi would be to move to another town or state when she gets out of prison so she can go on with her life. I don't think she has much of a chance if she goes back to the same town. May this be a lesson to anyone in an abusive relationship. There is HELP out there for you. Get out of this relationship before someone gets hurt or killed. Your town or city should have some type of women's shelter or at least can tell you where the nearest one is. There are legal advocates out there that can help you get a restraining order and help you file the necessary paperwork to end the relationship. Most women's shelters have a legal advocate and counselors on staff. They can give you a safe place to stay if you do not have friends or family. They will also help women with children. There are CHOICES out there. Staying in an abusive relationship is not a good CHOICE. Just ask Brandi!
 
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October 14, 2005, 5:26 am PDT

These people need to heal

Wow, so much to say about this show.....Like Dr. Phil said at the end of the show, only 2 people really know what happened in that tragedy.  It really upsets me to hear both families say their child "would never" do this or that - she would never have hit him on purpose, he would never have jumped in front of the car.......There are alot of things that we might not do under normal circumstances.  But, in the heat of a moment, in the middle of the night, when we are going through a difficult time....don't we all do things we wouldn't normally do?  Whether it be yell at our kids, say a curse word, or whatever, we've all been there.  I have a feeling that both families are right.  If it's true that he was abusive, and she had just had enough, maybe she did drive toward him.  And then maybe he did jump in front of the car.  Had he not jumped in front of the car, maybe she would have moved away from him at the last moment....just trying to scare him, perhaps.  There are just so many possibilities, and at this point, I doubt she even remembers what *really* happened.  (Have you ever replayed something over and over in your mind and gotten confused about how it really went?)  The mind does strange things, too, when you go through a traumatic event.  It can re-write the event in your mind.  There's just no way to know for sure what happened, and there is not enough evidence to say, either.  These families need to move on.  It is what it is, and how it happened doesn't really change anything.  The boy's family needs to put as much energy into healing themselves and loving each other as they are currently putting into hating that girl and her family. 
 
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October 14, 2005, 5:37 am PDT

Too many aspects to the case for one show

Phil turned the case over to public opinion. He said so at the end of the show. He did the right thing. Give Brandi the jury she never had.  

  

It is not a good idea to get a lawyer in this day and age. Better to go to trial and represent yourself. It is surprising how much easier it is to tell the truth that way. Just you and the judge. 

  

I think it is ESSENTIAL that this girl be freed ASAP. She was young and hormonal when she did what she did. She should not be damaged any further by the ill treatment that jail amounts to. 

  

Daniel's family has every right to be sad and tormented. All they need to do to move to the next stage in this is to realize that Daniel played a part in what happened to him. It was overwhelmingly an accident. Their feelings for Brandi before anything happened should not be brought to the full now. Just focus on the accident. 

  

My son was intentionally murdered in a hospital by doctors and nurses covering up a mistake. He played NO part in his own death. I often wish for the relief offered when a victim can at least be blamed a little for what happened. There is something about a victim KNOWING he was taking a gamble that makes the final outcome a little easier to take. 

  

I strongly suggest that Daniel's family derive as much consolation from this as possible. There is also NO intent on Brandi's part. She did not take the car in order to kill Daniel. Do you have any idea how humiliating INTENT is? I imagine every minute of every day how the doctors in my son's case plotted and planned to kill him. My son was just an inconvenient piece of meat to them. He had no value at all.  

  

Brandi and Daniel were arguing. Things were equal and stuff happens during this time. Their relationship had to end and it ended like this. If it hadn't they would still be going at it. As are many others on planet Earth!  

  

What a strange business human reproduction is. It makes people do horrible things to each other. 

 

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October 14, 2005, 5:38 am PDT

Enough with shedding

["Sometimes light on a subject is good. Perhaps it will help avoid a similar occurance, and condition other young brains to possibilities before they get out of control."] 

  

The above words were given by Dr. Phil's staff in a previous message as a justification for this show being aired ....  

  

But it seems that the emphases of the show was not on "young brains," "possibilities," and "control."  Rather, the emotional impact of the show was on the horrible psychological fallout each family is experiencing.  That's why just "shedding light " would not be enough to help these folks.  This is a case where THERAPY and more therapy is greatly needed!   

  

I felt that the most valuable words spoken during the whole show were the quick, few, wise words Dr. Phil spoke to each family at the very end of the show.  However, given what we saw from each family, I seriously doubt these families were able to even hear his 5 seconds of therapy much less take them to heart.  Unless they push the replay button about 1000 times ... 

 

EDITED: This quote was not given by a member of the Dr. Phil staff, it was a member that made this comment.

 
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October 14, 2005, 5:42 am PDT

Right on Dr Phil

Dr. Phil, You were so right to say to Crystal that Brandy controls her life daily through unforgiveness. 3.5 yrs. is long enough to carry such a huge burden. I go to church with the man that was driving the pick up truck that ended my brother's life in 1973. What a wonderful work God did in my heart when I asked for His help in forgiving. The inquest outcome was to hold the driver to appear before a grand jury due to "negligence" in his driving: speeding, eating, and in the middle of the road. My father stated that taking this man from his family would not bring my brother back. Brandy's mother is right in the fact that Brandy will pay every day of her life for what happened. Enough pain, enough jail time! Move on to the next phases of our lives, but do not forget the family member we lost. Look for some positive way to keep the memory of the loved one alive. And one thing that impressed me is: Brandy gave no excuses only remorse for her actions. That is more than my family received from the man responsible for my brother's death. And is this family even grateful for the time they had Daniel? They need to think that they were allowed 18 yrs. with this young man. And in that 18 yrs. didn't he stand for more than the bitterness they spew out to all surrounding them? 

  

Janice Giles 

 
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