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Topic : 03/16 Cheerleader Scandal

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Created on : Friday, October 07, 2005, 03:42:52 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/13/05) In a heartbeat, your entire life can change. No one knows this better than the families of Brandi and Daniel. Seventeen-year-old Brandi was a cheerleader, an excellent student and an all-American girl. She was in love with athletic 18-year old Daniel. Now he’s dead and she finds herself behind bars serving a 12-year sentence, all because of what happened in just a split second. Was it murder or simply a horrific accident? Hear members of both families describe how the tragedy unfolded, and the struggle to put together the pieces of their shattered lives. Plus, Dr. Phil visits Brandi in prison to ask some very hard questions. She has an emotional message for Daniel's mother -- and for Daniel. Talk about the show here.

 

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October 13, 2005, 11:28 am PDT

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My heart goes out to both families involved.  I hope that Brandi's family is able to get help to deal with what's happened -- especially her brother.  I also hope that Daniel's family is able to cope with their grief.  I agree with what was said on the show -- they need to start thinking about forgiveness.  Like Dr. Phil said, it doesn't have anything to do with making Brandi feel better; it is totally about separating themselves from the pain and toxic feelings they are engulfed in so they can live their lives. They need to start healing because certainly their boy wouldn't have wanted them to be ripped apart like this.  I especially feel for Crystal.  You can just see how much pain she is in. 

  

Personally, I think that even if Brandi did do it on purpose she shouldn't necessarily be held to the same standards as an adult.  It is a proven fact that at 16 an individual has hardly any ability to make appropriate decisions on instinct.  This is simply because that part of the brain hasn't matured yet .. it's actually one of the last parts to mature.  I'm not saying that she shouldn't be punished for what she has done.  By all accounts, she should have to face the consequences of her actions.  However, I just hope that the victim's family can come to terms with the fact that the Brandi that hit their son that day is probably not the same Brandi that is there in jail.  Both were casualties that night. 

 
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October 13, 2005, 11:30 am PDT

Inability to let go of anger...

My sister was killed in a car accident when she was 15. Her boyfriend was convicted of aggrevated vehicular homicide and sentenced to community service, license suspension and probation. He would have served jail time had he been tried as an adult, but he was 16 at the time and was therefore tried in juvenile court. He will be on probation until he is 21 (a few months from now), but got his license back at 19. 

  

I was 7 months pregnant when she died and I promised myself that I wasn't going to let my grief stop me from enjoying the good things that were happening in my life. I thought that my new baby deserved better than that. My grandparents, however, had extreme trouble letting their anger go. My grandfather, who knows a lot of people in the community, kept tabs on him constantly. They showed up at every court date. My grandfather reported him every time he so much as thought about breaking his probation. They even testified at the original hearing to determine whether he would be tried as an adult. They still talk about him with hatred and resentment. The problem here is, they haven't been able to move forward with their lives. My grandmother is a basket case. It has been five years and she still cries everytime she sees a picture of my sister. Holidays and family gatherings are so depressing I don't even like to go anymore. I now have two children and they can't even seem to enjoy being great-grandparents the way the should. They are constantly talking about my sister and how unfair it was that she was taken from us, which then brings them around to what a horrible person her boyfriend is, how he should rot in hell, how they hope he never has a peaceful moment for the rest of his life, etc. 

  

Please realize that this is not healthy. They will never work through their grief and be able to move forward until they come to grips with this animosity and are able to forgive him. We all make mistakes and his, as with the girl in today's show, will live with him for the rest of his life. Hanging on to resentment and anger only makes your life miserable, it will never bring my sister or any of our loved ones back. There is no way for you to heal if you don't learn to forgive. I'm telling you from experience, this kind of anger will destroy you and everyone around you eventually. I strongly suggest joining a support group. If you do not want to go into a group situation, find some kind of therapy. I joined online and e-mail discussion groups, as well as participated in one-on-one grief counseling. 

 
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October 13, 2005, 11:32 am PDT

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     It's hard to forgive someone who violently took away a loved one. But you only have two choices: forgive, or let the bitterness eat away at you like battery acid. It took a LONG time for my grandmother to forgive my father for murdering my mother. For me, forgiveness was never an issue; I was too busy trying to survive a lousy foster care system. Perhaps I was too young to understand the concept of death (I was six years old and yes, I did witness it). I missed out on a lot during the formative(?) years; had I been consumed with anger, I would have missed out on a lot more.        My message to both families: PLEASE don't let what has happened keep you in an emotional life sentence. Yes, you have a right to be angry; just don't let the anger define you. Allow yourselves time to grieve, then allow yourselves time to heal. You cannot change what has happened;  you can only change how you will let it affect you. No one may ever know what really happened; the "what ifs" are mere excelsior, good for nothing except taking up room. Don't give this horrible incident any more power over your lives than it already has had. My two cents', for what it's worth. 
 

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October 13, 2005, 11:40 am PDT

Wait a minute . . .

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You have no idea what was going on in side her 17 year old head I'm sure she was scared out of her mind.  Think of what you what have done in her case but you can't because you probably have never been there and if you have been it is different for EVERYONE and she was just doing what her attorney told her was the best thing for her to do and again that is different for EVERYONE. 

You need to read the post that I responded to.  I by no means was critizing her.  Again, read the orignal post that I was responding to and calm down!
 
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October 13, 2005, 11:43 am PDT

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We lost our son-in-law to a car accident. A snow plow driver pulled out in front of him our son-in-law and his car hit ice when he stepped on the break. His car turned to the right and the drivers side of the car hit the back of the snow plow, killing him instantly. The snow plow driver did not even get a day in jail, just a small fine. Now that is heart breaking knowing the man who killed our son-in-law never paid for the crime in the way he should have. I know how the family of Daniel feels because we went through it. They need to remember that God is in control of our lives and HE must have wanted Daniel for a reason. God is a God of forgiveness and you need to forgive this gal and go on with your life. I know how hard it is and will be, but you can not live your life in this hatred all the time. None of us knows how long we will be on this earth, only GOD does. 

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October 13, 2005, 11:45 am PDT

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October 13, 2005, 11:46 am PDT

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You said yourself that she was in a bad position...She was madly in love with him...she was not thinking clearly...She might not have went there with the intent to kill him...but once she got there and became enraged...she did it!!! She was an emotional wreck...she went there, ran him over, and went home and covered it up...Sorry you have such a poor bestfriend...because she deserves jail and her parents need a wake up call...And that is horrible to speak badly of his mother..If she did leave her son...don't you think she is suffering now??? especially if she kicked him out...she is probably living with horrible guilt...And if Brandi was sooo great...why did she get involved with him??..He did not deserve death!!!!
Straight A's and being a cheerleader do not make for anything.  Nor does the fact that Daniels mother had differences with him.   In a moment of heated emotional rage and crying your friend made a mistake.  She had her day in court, and needs to do her time.   Lesson by then should be learned.  The jail system is overflowing with good people that made really bad mistakes.  We just cant let them all out because their families are hurting.  I don't think god is going to let Daniel out of heaven early because his mother is hurting.   It is a no win situation for both families.  I feel Daniels side of the the story has not had its fair day in court because only he and she knew what really happened.  Her stories were very inconsistent.  I was going 25 or thirty,  but the report says his body flew 58 feet, well I don't know how fast I was going, but it wasn't that fast.    She has to live with the truth in her mind.  The only person she has to answer to is God.   He knows the the truth.  Maybe someday when it cools down, she will be able to really set the story straight, which would be the right thing to do.  Trying to comer up a crime does not look good for a person that is good and honest.   I'M sorry44Xx you lost your friend for a while.  Daniels family lost him for good.     May god bless everyone involved.
 

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October 13, 2005, 11:47 am PDT

I agree . . .

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Sometimes when you are faced with a tragic thing like this you just do what you are told and not think.  Everything is confusing and you just want it to all go away.  She may not have even read the plea that she signed.  I know when if you read what happened to me I never read what I was signing I just signed what I was told and half the time I did not even hear what they were telling me it was as is Charlie Browns teacher was speaking to me.  You hear the sounds but you can not make out what is being said.  Most of the time you stay in a daze.  Being in the legal study I have seen bad and unjust outcomes, especially in teens.
with you.  That was the point of my post.  Brandi was advised, by her attorney, to sign the plea - why would she doubt the attorney?  After all, the attorney was hired to do what was best for her!
 
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October 13, 2005, 11:50 am PDT

turn things around

I would like to know how Brandy's family would feel about Daniel if say Daniel had accidently killed their daughter .   They would expect him to stay in jail at least 12 years or longer.  I feel very much for Daniel's family.  I think Brandy knew that she hit Daniel since she knew he stepped in front of her car.  She didn't even stop to see if he was ok or dead or anything.  She deserves at least 12 yrs. or more.  

 
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October 13, 2005, 11:51 am PDT

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     It's hard to forgive someone who violently took away a loved one. But you only have two choices: forgive, or let the bitterness eat away at you like battery acid. It took a LONG time for my grandmother to forgive my father for murdering my mother. For me, forgiveness was never an issue; I was too busy trying to survive a lousy foster care system. Perhaps I was too young to understand the concept of death (I was six years old and yes, I did witness it). I missed out on a lot during the formative(?) years; had I been consumed with anger, I would have missed out on a lot more.        My message to both families: PLEASE don't let what has happened keep you in an emotional life sentence. Yes, you have a right to be angry; just don't let the anger define you. Allow yourselves time to grieve, then allow yourselves time to heal. You cannot change what has happened;  you can only change how you will let it affect you. No one may ever know what really happened; the "what ifs" are mere excelsior, good for nothing except taking up room. Don't give this horrible incident any more power over your lives than it already has had. My two cents', for what it's worth. 
I think you have two very valuable pennies.
 
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