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(Original Air Date: 10/13/05) In a heartbeat, your entire life can change. No one knows this better than the families of Brandi and Daniel. Seventeen-year-old Brandi was a cheerleader, an excellent student and an all-American girl. She was in love with athletic 18-year old Daniel. Now he’s dead and she finds herself behind bars serving a 12-year sentence, all because of what happened in just a split second. Was it murder or simply a horrific accident? Hear members of both families describe how the tragedy unfolded, and the struggle to put together the pieces of their shattered lives. Plus, Dr. Phil visits Brandi in prison to ask some very hard questions. She has an emotional message for Daniel's mother -- and for Daniel. Talk about the show here.

 

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October 15, 2005, 11:20 pm PDT

Brandi

I don't really know what Brandi's punishment should be.  I just don't know what one could expect from a naive 17 year old girl in a horrible relationship.   

  

To have a guy threaten suicide to keep her in the relationship, and then have him threaten to kill her and her little brother.  That's horrible.  I'd do anything to protect my little brother, especially from something that would have been my doing.  He made her feel it would be her doing.   

  

She may have killed him on purpose, but I just wonder what was going through her mind at that time.   Maybe she was really scared.  He needed help too, and it's sad that he didn't get it before his life had to end, but if his didn't end would hers have? Her little brother's too maybe?   

 
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October 16, 2005, 3:16 am PDT

Can't believe Brandi's Parents

First of all, I don't believe this young girl, she and her family are making it up as they go to make her appear innocent.  However, even if it were an accident, HOW DARE her mother and father attack that boy's parents.  HE IS DEAD,,,,,,SHE DID IT.....They never showed any true remorse, only pity for their daughter.  Obviously they raised a spoiled rotten child and have taught her to lie, cheat, steal, and even kill to get her own way or to get even.  They should be begging the boy's family for forgiveness instead of blaming the poor dead kid. 

 
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October 16, 2005, 4:54 am PDT

little white lies

Had the young lady not snuck out of her parents' home, borrowed their car, without them knowing it, and then making up the story about the hole in the windshield, MAYBE and just then MAYBE there would've been a chance that I would've believed her story about the ACCIDENT.  I do believe she wanted to hurt the young man, maybe not kill him, but you don't play games that involve humans and vehicles.  The humans usually lose.  If the relationship was abusive then she should have went through the legal system and maybe try to seek help for the young man.  It is a lose lose situation that will change those families' lives forever.  It's a shame!
 
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October 16, 2005, 5:59 am PDT

You don't get it

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 I have analyzed it from all the information which is publicy available for analysis (police reports, news articles, eyewitness testimony).   I did watch the show, and it is my opinion that Brandi is lying.   And what I'm basing my opinion on has absolutely nothing to do with emotions.  It has everything to do with analysis and knowledge of human nature.   

And where do you get your information that Daniel was guilty of bad behavior?  From Brandi and her parents?  Both have lied about things.  There has been absolutely NO testimony, outside of Brandi and her family, to say that Daniel was abusive.  Pure speculation and lies.  It's a sympathy play, nothing more. 

The person who posted that Daniel has some responsibility for his own death by simply standing in his front yard makes no sense at all.  Since when is it a crime to stand in your front yard?  Why should he HAVE to go inside, just to avoid this she-devil who revved her engine, sped down the street, hit him from behind  and sent him flying?    Where is the logic is in your thinking?

Frustrated or not, everyone has a right to their opinion, and I stand by mine. 

When stating that Daniel is also guilty of bad choices that also resulted in his death, I am stating that there are things Daniel could have done differently to avoid the final result. 

  

1.  Why was Daniel even outside?    

2.  Why did he not go inside when he noticed her becoming visibly upset? 

3.  What if anything did Daniel say or do that may have inflamed the situtation even more? 

4.  Why did Daniel not go inside when she drove off? 

5.  When Daniel heard the vehicle and saw the headlights bearing down (at night, with his back to her, he would have heard the vehicle and noticed the shadows and the lights approaching rapidly), when did he not attempt escape when he first heard it?  From the scene shown on television there were trees he would have had time to duck behind? 

6.  Why did Daniel not call 911? 

  

Had Daniel done even 1 thing differently, he would probably be alive today. 

  

You can read all of the reports you wish, but what the report will never tell you is what Daniel may have said or done.  It will not tell you Daniels emotional state.     

  

The only place that you can get the information that Daniel is not guilty of bad behavior is from Daniels family.  You do not know the history of these children.  You never will - nor will I.   

  

You state why should he have to go inside?  His sister believed the situation had deteriorated to such a degree that she began calling 911.  Why?  Why would Daniel not remove himself from a situation that has clearly gotten out of control?  What was his purpose for staying outside and feeding the situation?  What was he getting out of it?   

  

You state Daniel was not abusive.  Again, we don't know that.  The only testimony you have of this is from his family.   Well, maybe Daniel did not behave in an abusive manner around his family.  This is not uncommon for abusers.  I am not saying he was abusive, because again - we don't know.  We do know that Daniel may well have had problems with women due to the strained relationship between he and his mother.  Again, we don't know this. 

  

What is the logic in my thinking?  Simple.  When a situation is so heated and so intense, you remove yourself from it until things calm down.  Do you have any clue as to how many men and women die each day, without intent,  because their emotions controlled them instead of them controlling their emotions?  Well, this is another situation. 

  

There is no doubt that Brandi hit Daniel with her car.  None.  Nada.  Zero.  That is the only absolute in this entire situation.  We are left with the proclamations of Brandi and Daniels sister.   

  

Speaking of Daniels sister, if I understand correctly she was a younger sister.  She was outside.  How long was she outside- was if for the duration fo the event?  If so, in what way might her presence and/or words contributed to the rise in emotion?  Let's be honest.  We know how young girils are.  What was she doing during this time?  Standing their quietly?  Involving herself in their private affairs?   I've never been clear on her role.  I've never been clear on where she was and what she was doing. 

  

 
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October 16, 2005, 6:17 am PDT

I'm not stating she did not hit him with the car

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To speed at 65 mph in a trailer court, throwing the body 58 feet (to just return a skate?) and then lie about hitting anyone when going home with the front end of the car destroyed as the pictures indicate, all show that Brandi is not honest.  If it was truly an accident she would have called someone to see if Daniel was okay rather than deny she hit anyone. She in fact attempted a cover-up of the crime (with a tree in the windshield) rather than have any compassion for the victim.  Just a cover up and denial! That is her defense.

There is no question she is quilty of hitting him with the car.  None what-so-ever.  The question is was it intentional or was it accidental?  I did see the damage to the car and it appeared to be isolated to the top of the windshield.    What I do know is that a vehicle will go where one is looking.  Were she looking at Daniel, with the intent to hit him, her vehicle would have hit him head on - it would not have been the side of the vehicle that stuck Daniel - far to the side I might add.  These are things people don't think about.  Ask a motorcycle driver about the principle of  "slow, look, turn, roll." 

  

1.  You do not know that she did not believe she hit something other than Daniel. 

2.  You do not know that she hit him intentionally. 

  

We KNOW she lied.  That goes without saying.  But let's look at this from her perspective: 

  

She snuck out of her house at night. 

She stole her parents car. 

She wrecked her parents car. 

  

  

Let's assume that this 17 year old girl does NOT know she hit Daniel.  Let's assume that these lies were told to her parents in order to cover her rear end (what kid has not done this) - not because she knows she hit Daniel, but because she KNOWS she hit something and damaged the car she was not supposed to be in. 

  

I believe her when she states she does not know how fast she was going.  I don't find it odd that she would not be looking at her speedometer in her fit of rage, fear, or whatever it was.  That does not surprise me. 

  

I believe her when she states she did not know she hit Daniel.  Why?  Because emotions were high.  Adrenaline was flowing, emotions were high, it was night time and she was driving faster than her headlights could see.   It is quite possible she did not even see Daniel.  Being a former paramedic I have worked many accidents with these common factors. 

  

We had a 17 year old girl, who had never been in trouble, in one night do everything she was not supposed to do - sneak out, steal her parents car, wreck her parents car in anger.  You don't think that she KNOWS her little world is about to be crashing down on her head by her parents?   

  

Now, I am NOT condoning her behaviors.  However, I will not sit here and ignore what one will not get from a police report and that is the human factor. 

  

I don't see her attemtping to defend her actions.  I see her attempting to explain what was going on in her mind that night.  I see her attempting to explain how things got out of control.  I see her attempting to describe her part in the events that night.  I see no denial.  I see no excuses. 

  

You state that if it was truly an accident she would have called someon to see if Daniel was okay.  Why would she call to see if Daniel was okay if she did not know she hit him? 

  

What exactly is it you people want from her? 

 

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October 16, 2005, 6:33 am PDT

65 MPH where she is suppose to be stopping?

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To speed at 65 mph in a trailer court, throwing the body 58 feet (to just return a skate?) and then lie about hitting anyone when going home with the front end of the car destroyed as the pictures indicate, all show that Brandi is not honest.  If it was truly an accident she would have called someone to see if Daniel was okay rather than deny she hit anyone. She in fact attempted a cover-up of the crime (with a tree in the windshield) rather than have any compassion for the victim.  Just a cover up and denial! That is her defense.

The physical phisical facts show that Brandi was going 65 mph throwing Daniel's body 58 feet in front of Daniel 's house at the scene.  If Brandi was returning a skate to Daniel why was she going 65 miles per hour in front of his house when she should be stopping to drop off the skate? Brandi's story just does not add up.  Brandi's family should realize Brandi is lying and get on with their lies instead of encouraging Brandi to lie and cover-up her guilt.  Brandi should be confronted with the physical facts and show her that her story makes no sense. 

 

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October 16, 2005, 6:36 am PDT

65 MPH in front of daniel's house

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For what it is worth:  

  

1. she could have sped up at the last moment if he jumped in front of her and she freaked out in an attempt to swerve out of the way. 

  

2. With the hole in her windshield and the girlfriend at his side I don't think any phone call was necessary; that is, obviously he would be at least hurt, as well as observed by another. 

  

3. That she even thought the tree in the windshield would get her anywhere, other than temporary protection from inquiring parents, indicates she had either lost her mind or was trying to buy some time until the cops would make the truth known to her parents. As she said, she wanted to believe it hadn't really happened. I am not sure this is not a known behavior to people who have just done something, intentionally or otherwise, who wished it would all go away; as such, they do what they can to deceive themselves for the moment. Perhaps it is just to buy temporary respite from having to take responsibility. In any event, her actions are not proof Daniel had not challenged her bravado - revving the car - with his own bravado of jumping in front of her. 

  

  

The physical phisical facts show that Brandi was going 65 mph throwing Daniel's body 58 feet in front of Daniel 's house at the scene.  If Brandi was returning a skate to Daniel why was she going 65 miles per hour in front of his house when she should be stopping to drop off the skate? She was not driving a sports car and it takes some time to get going that fast. Brandi's story just does not add up.  Brandi's family should realize Brandi is lying and get on with their lies instead of encouraging Brandi to lie and cover-up her guilt.  Brandi should be confronted with the physical facts and show her that her story makes no sense. 

 

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October 16, 2005, 6:39 am PDT

65 MPH in front of Daniel's house

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I watched the show on that unfortunate incident. Who is really going to know what happened was the girl who either accidentally hit the boyfriend or did it on purpose. I think the way it was handled legally was not on the up and up and it is to bad we have lawyers like that in our system. I do think she needed some sort of punishment for negligent driving and taking the life of a person is bad enough. You live with that for the rest of your life and it never goes away.  If she winds up serving the 12 years well that is the way it goes. If she gets out on paroll that would be ok also. I really feel for the families involved in this. The one family can not get past the bitterness and the anger they fell over the lose of their loved one. I can not say I understand as I have not walked in those shoes. But I do think counceling is neccessary for them to learn how to cope and to move on with their lives. I do think that the Mother of the boy that was killed was totally out of line commenting on the way the Mother of the cheerleader raised her children. From the sound of it she has problems of her own and that is where she needs to focus her attention and not on how the Mother of the cheerleader raised her daughter. We will never know if it was done on purpose or not. The girl is suffering enough as it is with just having to live with the fact that she took someones life. How sad it is to see both of these families suffering so. But children do not realize that what they do also affects others in the family.  Thanks for letting me tell what I think. May God help her and the families heal from this very unfortunate incident.

The physical phisical facts show that Brandi was going 65 mph throwing Daniel's body 58 feet in front of Daniel 's house at the scene.  If Brandi was returning a skate to Daniel why was she going 65 miles per hour in front of his house when she should be stopping to drop off the skate? She was not driving a sports car and it would take some time to get going that fast. Brandi's story just does not add up.  Brandi's family should realize Brandi is lying and get on with their lies instead of encouraging Brandi to lie and cover-up her guilt.  Brandi should be confronted with the physical facts and show her that her story makes no sense. 

 

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October 16, 2005, 6:43 am PDT

I agree Brandi is lying

Quote From: ladywolf55

 I have analyzed it from all the information which is publicy available for analysis (police reports, news articles, eyewitness testimony).   I did watch the show, and it is my opinion that Brandi is lying.   And what I'm basing my opinion on has absolutely nothing to do with emotions.  It has everything to do with analysis and knowledge of human nature.   

And where do you get your information that Daniel was guilty of bad behavior?  From Brandi and her parents?  Both have lied about things.  There has been absolutely NO testimony, outside of Brandi and her family, to say that Daniel was abusive.  Pure speculation and lies.  It's a sympathy play, nothing more. 

The person who posted that Daniel has some responsibility for his own death by simply standing in his front yard makes no sense at all.  Since when is it a crime to stand in your front yard?  Why should he HAVE to go inside, just to avoid this she-devil who revved her engine, sped down the street, hit him from behind  and sent him flying?    Where is the logic is in your thinking?

Frustrated or not, everyone has a right to their opinion, and I stand by mine. 

The physical phisical facts show that Brandi was going 65 mph throwing Daniel's body 58 feet in front of Daniel 's house at the scene.  If Brandi was returning a skate to Daniel why was she going 65 miles per hour in front of his house when she should be stopping to drop off the skate? She was not driving a sports car and it would take some time to get going that fast. Brandi's story just does not add up.  Brandi's family should realize Brandi is lying and get on with their lies instead of encouraging Brandi to lie and cover-up her guilt.  Brandi should be confronted with the physical facts and show her that her story makes no sense. 

 

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October 16, 2005, 6:44 am PDT

65 MPH

Quote From: stedmon

That he was hit on the right calf would seemingly indicate maybe he had turned. Additionally, perhaps they were somewhat denying she would actually use the car as a weapon. 

The physical phisical facts show that Brandi was going 65 mph throwing Daniel's body 58 feet in front of Daniel 's house at the scene.  If Brandi was returning a skate to Daniel why was she going 65 miles per hour in front of his house when she should be stopping to drop off the skate? She was not driving a sports car and it would take some time to get going that fast. Brandi's story just does not add up.  Brandi's family should realize Brandi is lying and get on with their lies instead of encouraging Brandi to lie and cover-up her guilt.  Brandi should be confronted with the physical facts and show her that her story makes no sense. 

 
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