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(Original Air Date: 10/13/05) In a heartbeat, your entire life can change. No one knows this better than the families of Brandi and Daniel. Seventeen-year-old Brandi was a cheerleader, an excellent student and an all-American girl. She was in love with athletic 18-year old Daniel. Now he’s dead and she finds herself behind bars serving a 12-year sentence, all because of what happened in just a split second. Was it murder or simply a horrific accident? Hear members of both families describe how the tragedy unfolded, and the struggle to put together the pieces of their shattered lives. Plus, Dr. Phil visits Brandi in prison to ask some very hard questions. She has an emotional message for Daniel's mother -- and for Daniel. Talk about the show here.

 

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October 19, 2005, 7:52 am PDT

Daniel had two girls hopping mad

Which one of them caused him to have contact with a speeding car? It wouldn't have taken much of a push (Stephanie) or a swerve (Brandi) committed in the heat of rage at being two-timed. 

  

Release Brandi now. Keeping her confined isn't going to stop the turmoil of teenage sex. Only clothes and music manufacturers could maybe help here. 

  

I find it so bizarre the way people still want to bring more kids into the world after all this misery. Is it right to gamble with the unborn this much? Daniel for example did not ask to be born. 

  

Life is a terminal illness. You will die from it. 

 
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October 19, 2005, 8:37 am PDT

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This is so sad I don't even know where to start! I know Daniel's family and have since he was in Jr. High School. Daniel has a twin brother named David and you saw him briefly on the show. He has kept his distance since leaving home. 

When these boys were growing up they never had any supervision nor did they have respect for authority. They were always in trouble at school and around the neighborhood. Usually it was David that was fighting but as he grew older, Daniel displayed his pent up anger too in very evil ways. Both the boys talked about their Dad because he was a drunk and their mother was gone every night "out to look for sex at the club".  

They were at my house often and I would give them rides home from their football games since their Dad didn't show up and when he did it was in the fourth quarter when there was about 2 minutes left in the game! Their Mother was never there that I can remember. All three kids lived at their Dad's house. Most of the time you never saw the boys at their Mom's because she wanted to argue and fight with them, so their Dad got custody but she still lived in the same trailer park.  

I can't begin to tell you about the evilness that these boys had with them where ever they went. I felt sorry for them because they never really knew the meaning of a true love from a family.  

It breaks my heart to see Brandi in jailand also to see her family going through this terrible time  of peril brought on because of anger.  

I KNOW that Daniel would be the kind of person to jump out in front of the car to try and stop her from leaving. The answer to everything was his way or the highwaythat is the way his personality was. Brandi should not be in jail and should have never even had to go to court!!!    

I was shocked and saddened to hear about Daniel's death, but it didn't surprise me. The whole neighborhood consensus was that the boys would either be dead or in prison before they turned 21. I'm sorry that we turned out to be right.  

Why doesnt anyone respond to this message..... 

  

Reading all of the information and news articles and these post, I believe that this shows Brandi's side to be more believable. This boy may have been out of control and when he stepped in front of a moving car it back fired the end result was death. I wonder if Brandi realized what would of happened to her if she would of stayed at the scene, after all 5 against 1. We might have been discussing 2 deaths. I could see a young women running from this family and being scared to death..... Has anyone thought about what might have happened if she would have STAYED 

 
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October 19, 2005, 9:20 am PDT

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  I am surprised to see both sets of parents so upset for such a long period after the fact. I have lived through both of my two adopted sons many trips to jail, the suicide of one of them, and now the chronic disability of Schizophrenia of the other. These parents are totally self-absorbed in their grief, giving them a life long reason to feel sorry for themselves and focus their blame outwards. Not only have they managed to not deal with their grief, but are using it to explain their inactivity, lack of action, and the failure to act as adults and responsible parents. Frankly, I think they are thankful they have an excuse to act as lousy parents to their remaining children, filling them with hate, self-loathing, and useless anger, so that these children can carry on the legacy of their parents. I have little more than disdain for the parents. Not only will the lives of Brandi and Daniel be destroyed, but the action, or I should say inaction, of the parents will seal the fate of their remaining children. 

   Both sets of parents need serious counselling for an extended period of time. 

I don't have firsthand knowledge, but it seems that Daniel's family was moving on and, if not happy, were at least coping until Brandi's family brought this back to the front burner of their life by going on national TV to tell the world about their little girl who was being unfairly incarcerated.  As victims of crime, at least in Ohio, they'll be notified every time Brandi has a parole hearing and it's their right to attend and, if they so choose, to voice their opinion that she not be paroled.  They don't get the final say in the matter.  Brandi would have probably undergone a psychiatric evaluation when she entered the DOC, the outcome of which along with the inmate's ability to acknowledge what they've done wrong, usually plays a large part in the parole board's decision.   Brandi said her attorney told her to take the plea bargain because it was the only thing to do if she didn't want to spend the rest of her life in jail.  HE apparently didn't think Brandi would win at trial.   

  

There seems to actually be more dysfunction in Brandi's family - it's just hidden under a cloak of respectability.   Brandi says her mom is the stongest woman she knows, yet she's experiencing all kinds of physical disabiilty that she ascribes to her mental stress over Brandi.  Dad blames himself for not waking up.   The brother could only ever talk to Brandi and is now lost without her...even though he says he talks to her nearly every day which I find odd given that she's incarcerated.   A teenager who was an A student now pulling F's and  is sleeping with toy weapons under his pillow to feel "safe"??  I REALLY hope that family is in ongoing counseling.   

  

  

 
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October 19, 2005, 9:33 am PDT

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Why doesnt anyone respond to this message..... 

  

Reading all of the information and news articles and these post, I believe that this shows Brandi's side to be more believable. This boy may have been out of control and when he stepped in front of a moving car it back fired the end result was death. I wonder if Brandi realized what would of happened to her if she would of stayed at the scene, after all 5 against 1. We might have been discussing 2 deaths. I could see a young women running from this family and being scared to death..... Has anyone thought about what might have happened if she would have STAYED 

OK, I'll give it a try since you want someone to respond.  If Brandi was so "together" and Daniel was so obviously evil, why did she hook up with Daniel?   The record is pretty clear that Danied did NOT step out in front of Brandi - she swerved to hit him.  She wouldn't have even had to stay in order  to make a convincing case that it was unintentional...She could have stopped anywhere between the accident and home and called 911 or at the very least called 911 as soon as she got home.  Brandi said  "I didn't think I had hit him and maybe it was because I didn't want to believe I did" and "I guess I just blocked it out because I just didn't want to believe that I had hit him.  And that he was dead because of me."  Brandi just doesn't want to believe she was capable of doing something like that, but clearly she was and did.  She made up the "he jumped in front of me" just like she made up the tree in the windshield story. 
 
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October 19, 2005, 9:44 am PDT

What does Daniel's family want Brandi to admit?

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I see this repeated over and over again; "if she would admit the truth." 

  

What truth is she supposed to admit?  She has admitted hitting Daniel with the car on accident.  She has admitted lying about her actions that night (sneaking out, tree limb, etc).  She does not deny these things. 

  

Or is she supposed to admit what Daniels family and friends believe to be the truth - that is was intentional? 

  

She is damed if she does and damned if she does not. 

  

I also keep reading on here that she is not remorseful.  All she cares about is hersefl and her family. 

  

Again, she stated she would not be able to live with herself if she did not serve time in prison.  This tells me that she was feeling guilt and remorse at that time and watching her interview, it is obvious she still does - and will for the rest of her life. 

  

It seems to me the problem is that some are outraged because she does in fact care and worry for her own family.  Why would she not?   Some are outraged because she wants out.  Why would she not?  What is expected here?  Do you all expect her to say "Hey, screw my family and screw me.  I want to be here for the rest of my natural life?  Get real.  Is this legitimate?  No. 

  

It seems to me that no one on Daniels side of the fence will ever be happy with anything Brandi may say or do.  This anger has become the lifeline that keeps them in place.  It seems to me that there was much anger and hurt in this family to begin with.  Only now they have a focus of anger other than themselves. 

Daniel's family wants Brandi to admit to what she admitted to in her plea bargain... That she was guilty of  VOLUNTARY Manslaughter, not INVOLUNTARY Manslaughter.   Their position is that the prosecutor told them they had the proof to convict her of 1st Degree Murder, and apparenlty Brandi's attorney agreed, hence the plea bargain.  A sentence of 12 years vs. life (or possibly death) is what she got by accepting the plea bargain and now Brandi's family is crying "foul".   

  

I've been involved in the court system and the terms and consequences of accepting a plea bargain are reviewed before the judge to the court's satisfaction that you know what you're doing before they accept your plea in lieu of a trial.   

  

I agree that Brandi is not totally unremorseful.  I think her problem is her family - that for some reason she just can't admit it to them or herself.    

 
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October 19, 2005, 9:56 am PDT

I don't think so..........

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Daniel's family wants Brandi to admit to what she admitted to in her plea bargain... That she was guilty of  VOLUNTARY Manslaughter, not INVOLUNTARY Manslaughter.   Their position is that the prosecutor told them they had the proof to convict her of 1st Degree Murder, and apparenlty Brandi's attorney agreed, hence the plea bargain.  A sentence of 12 years vs. life (or possibly death) is what she got by accepting the plea bargain and now Brandi's family is crying "foul".   

  

I've been involved in the court system and the terms and consequences of accepting a plea bargain are reviewed before the judge to the court's satisfaction that you know what you're doing before they accept your plea in lieu of a trial.   

  

I agree that Brandi is not totally unremorseful.  I think her problem is her family - that for some reason she just can't admit it to them or herself.    

Sheia, Daniels mother, made it very clear on national television that she wants Brandi dead.  She does not want an admission of any sort.  So, you are wrong on that count. 

  

Crystal has made it very clear that there will never be forgiveness no matter what.  She made that very clear.  So, you are wrong on that count. 

  

David and the father,  i'm not sure. 

  

  

  

I don't think this family wants anything other than to have a focal point of anger and rage.  An anger and rage that was present before the death of Daniel.  There will NEVER be anything Brandi can say.  What they need can only be found within themselves. 

 
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October 19, 2005, 10:35 am PDT

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Sheia, Daniels mother, made it very clear on national television that she wants Brandi dead.  She does not want an admission of any sort.  So, you are wrong on that count. 

  

Crystal has made it very clear that there will never be forgiveness no matter what.  She made that very clear.  So, you are wrong on that count. 

  

David and the father,  i'm not sure. 

  

  

  

I don't think this family wants anything other than to have a focal point of anger and rage.  An anger and rage that was present before the death of Daniel.  There will NEVER be anything Brandi can say.  What they need can only be found within themselves. 

Well, I dunno.  Come on, if I were in their shoes it would be a little tough to feel sympathic to someone who kills my son in his own yard a fit of anger and tells me he got what he deserved.   

  

Brandi is let down because she thought the sentence would be 120 days instead of 12 years. 

Daniel's family thought it would be life in prison instead of 12 years.   

  

Neither family had a real clear picture of what to expect from the legal system and both feel shafted by it.   

 

 

 
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October 19, 2005, 10:40 am PDT

I agree......

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Well, I dunno.  Come on, if I were in their shoes it would be a little tough to feel sympathic to someone who kills my son in his own yard a fit of anger and tells me he got what he deserved.   

  

Brandi is let down because she thought the sentence would be 120 days instead of 12 years. 

Daniel's family thought it would be life in prison instead of 12 years.   

  

Neither family had a real clear picture of what to expect from the legal system and both feel shafted by it.   

 

 

Neither side was told the truth from the prosecutors or the attorneys involved.  That should tell them all something right there - you do not go to court for truth and justice. 

  

I don't think this is about them feeling sympathetic to Brandi.  I would not expect that, though i've seen it happen in the past.   

  

I think this is about the fact that some in that family, particularly the mother, has been raging at the world long before the death of Daniel - only now, Daniel is the justfication and the outlet.  Sadly this is filtering down to the children- especially the daughter.  Here is it five years later Crystal has such a "hard" and "angry" look.  That is what left the greatest impact on me from the entire show.   

 
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October 19, 2005, 11:08 am PDT

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Neither side was told the truth from the prosecutors or the attorneys involved.  That should tell them all something right there - you do not go to court for truth and justice. 

  

I don't think this is about them feeling sympathetic to Brandi.  I would not expect that, though i've seen it happen in the past.   

  

I think this is about the fact that some in that family, particularly the mother, has been raging at the world long before the death of Daniel - only now, Daniel is the justfication and the outlet.  Sadly this is filtering down to the children- especially the daughter.  Here is it five years later Crystal has such a "hard" and "angry" look.  That is what left the greatest impact on me from the entire show.   

OK.  I hear you.   Just remember that Daniel's family didn't write Dr. Phil and ask to tell their story on national TV, Brandi's dad did.   And he did it because he doesn't think it's fair that Brandi is in prison.   

  

In Crystal's shoes I'd probably look angry, too, at being put on display for the world to judge given the difference of opinion regarding the appropriateness of the sentencing.    I think if you're 16 years old and see your brother's mangled body you naturally have a difference of opinion regarding whether 120 days in jail would have been an equal trade.  It becomes a little more personal.   

  

What's your take on the mental healthiness of Brandi's family's response to what happened?    

 
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October 19, 2005, 11:44 am PDT

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Neither side was told the truth from the prosecutors or the attorneys involved.  That should tell them all something right there - you do not go to court for truth and justice. 

  

I don't think this is about them feeling sympathetic to Brandi.  I would not expect that, though i've seen it happen in the past.   

  

I think this is about the fact that some in that family, particularly the mother, has been raging at the world long before the death of Daniel - only now, Daniel is the justfication and the outlet.  Sadly this is filtering down to the children- especially the daughter.  Here is it five years later Crystal has such a "hard" and "angry" look.  That is what left the greatest impact on me from the entire show.   

Neither side was told the truth from the prosecutors or the attorneys involved.  That should tell them all something right there - you do not go to court for truth and justice.  

This statement is false... if you went to the Clay county court house records like you have said you did then you would know that the arresting charge was on 1st degree murder.  That is what was told to all of us it would be... but everyone should know that it was more likely going to be dropped to a lesser charge. We were also told of the plea agreement befor eit was offered. I am sure that noone told Brandi 120days would all she would serve for taking another life! Unless it was her attorney....in which case, she picked him and should have complained at the time or when reading the plea agreement she should have said something then.  Time isn't the issue for me...its the fact that she did indeed take another life...she is make up did different versions of that night and she DID try and make Daniel out to be a monster.  I had never heard of an abuse allagation until after her sentencing..that makes it hard to believe that it happened.  I wasn't there but in mycase there wasn't any. The fact that she said Daniel said he was going to kill her and her brother never came out till now either.  AND that seems funny to me to because I was there with Daniel for 2 days prior to this night and that never happened. Stuff keeps getting added to the story.  That makes me believe that all Brandi is doing is try to justify herself and that she feels sorry for herself and for what she has done to her famliy. 

 
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