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Topic : 03/16 Cheerleader Scandal

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(Original Air Date: 10/13/05) In a heartbeat, your entire life can change. No one knows this better than the families of Brandi and Daniel. Seventeen-year-old Brandi was a cheerleader, an excellent student and an all-American girl. She was in love with athletic 18-year old Daniel. Now he’s dead and she finds herself behind bars serving a 12-year sentence, all because of what happened in just a split second. Was it murder or simply a horrific accident? Hear members of both families describe how the tragedy unfolded, and the struggle to put together the pieces of their shattered lives. Plus, Dr. Phil visits Brandi in prison to ask some very hard questions. She has an emotional message for Daniel's mother -- and for Daniel. Talk about the show here.

 

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October 22, 2005, 9:00 am PDT

More questions...

Did Daniel do anything that indicated to you that he was depressed that night? 

Did he do or say anthing to you to indicate that he was suicidal? 

Did he jump out in front of Brandi's car in an attempt to flag her down and talk to her? 

Had he been trying to get her to stay and talk? 

Was the necklace the only item that Daniel asked Brandi about that wasn't returned to him? 

Did she give him one or two skates? 

 
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October 22, 2005, 10:20 am PDT

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Thanks, Steph.  That's the way I was envisioning it was, except that Dogwood St. would continue on out of the park past where she turned left (the street line would extend further straight up past the left turn).  And Chandler Road, the bottom line of the square representing the road, should actually extend on out both ways past the two up and down line/streets shown, right? 
 
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October 22, 2005, 2:23 pm PDT

Why is the skate important?

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let me ask you a question......brandy was sitting infront of Daniels Dad's house facing "john's" house and the exit #1.....she passed John's house and turn left on a side street next to "John's" house to circle the block....NOW why would she pass John's house if she was going to stop there? then turn next to his house....where she could have threw the skate..... and come around the block and sit at the top of the hill.....by a second exit....ITS BECAUSE SHE GAVE DANIEL BOTH SKATES BEFORE SHE LEFT THE FIRST TIME.  She had 2 chances to leave the park...and 2 chances to toss the skate....answer that!

Brandi's mom's response to me regarding whether the skate was in her car after the incident was "no it wasnt she through it out up the street  at johns house  which its what she has said she was going to do this whole time she was not stoping at daniels dads house she was driving past because that was the only way she knew to go" 

  

Looking at your diagram, in addition to your question for her, Stephy, I'm trying to get Brandi's mom's response to the following... IF she thinks Brandi didn't throw the skate out at John's the first time she went past his house, right after she left from dropping off Daniel's stuff which would was why she said she had to drive by Daniel's house again on her way to John's, then Brandi would have had to stop down the street, I would imagine still within view of where she hit Daniel, and drop the skate off at John's after having hit Daniel and before she went home.   

  

I just don't see how Brandi's mom can believe Brandi on that issue. 

  

  

  

 
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October 22, 2005, 3:23 pm PDT

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One thing that the police can do to end the debate of what speed Brandi was going when she hit Daniel, was to look at the computer in the car.  I would like to know what speed she was going, and it might also help see if she did hit him on purpose or he did jump out in front of her.  Just a maybe helpful hint.  If they do test it, could you share it with us Dr. Phil?   

 
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October 22, 2005, 3:42 pm PDT

i thought it would help

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Thanks, Steph.  That's the way I was envisioning it was, except that Dogwood St. would continue on out of the park past where she turned left (the street line would extend further straight up past the left turn).  And Chandler Road, the bottom line of the square representing the road, should actually extend on out both ways past the two up and down line/streets shown, right? 
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October 22, 2005, 3:56 pm PDT

Have you Thought...?

i was a little bit surprised this wasn't brought up I can see what daniel's and brandi's familyies had to go through i'm not going to say i know what its like because i don't but it mist of taken alot courage to, One thing, that wasn't pointed out on the show however was this: Should Brandi be left out of prison i think she should. She was trying to get away from daniel becuase she knew he would kill her brother she was trying to run from an abusive relationship Daniel jumped in front of the car when she was in MOTION she had NO TIME TO STOP or of been informed that this was going to happen.. Brandi should not be responsible for his death Daniel KILLED HIMSELF in the name of love he wanted Brandi to stay but she wanted to go... this girl is innoncent she should be taken out she id doing time for something she doesn't deserve to.
 
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October 22, 2005, 4:02 pm PDT

IT JUST DOESN"T ADD UP!

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Brandi's mom's response to me regarding whether the skate was in her car after the incident was "no it wasnt she through it out up the street  at johns house  which its what she has said she was going to do this whole time she was not stoping at daniels dads house she was driving past because that was the only way she knew to go" 

  

Looking at your diagram, in addition to your question for her, Stephy, I'm trying to get Brandi's mom's response to the following... IF she thinks Brandi didn't throw the skate out at John's the first time she went past his house, right after she left from dropping off Daniel's stuff which would was why she said she had to drive by Daniel's house again on her way to John's, then Brandi would have had to stop down the street, I would imagine still within view of where she hit Daniel, and drop the skate off at John's after having hit Daniel and before she went home.   

  

I just don't see how Brandi's mom can believe Brandi on that issue. 

  

  

  

when Brandi entered the trailor park I am ASSUMING it was from the side of the park that she sat revving her engine.  BECAUSE HER CAR WAS FACING THE MAIN ENTERANCE!  Especially since she was an "inexperienced driver", she would not be able to turn around on a narrow road!  

ANYWAY- 

That would also be proof that she knew of 2 enterances! because she ledt out of the main one! 

  

Yes Dogwood extends past John's house to main enterance and past the red X which is the back enterance. 

  

And YES she would have had to stop unless she relized that she really DID hit Daniel and suposedly threw it out without stopping! 

  

either way bad point to make for a defense since it sounds bad either way! 

  

BUT SHE DID GIVE DANIEL THE SKATE BEFORE SHE EVER LEFT! 

 
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October 22, 2005, 4:09 pm PDT

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Glad you came back on so I can apologize by "direct quote" since I can't do it face-to-face  - although it's 12:37 p.m. and I'm about to log off again!  Australia, eh?   What's your take on all this looking from so far?  Brandi wanted to get her story out and let everybody know the truth.   Think she was successful? 

Ok, I guess I wasn't as clear either.  My  opinion as I have said earlier is that Brandi is not innocent. I can appreciate the fact that she was young and panicked but she did kill another human being, and I did not see remorse, her guilt and pity was only for herself. 

  

I believe that being hurt and angry, Brandi insisted on going to see Daniel, and when it resulted in Daniel being killed, she tried to cover this up with the 'branch' and saying that she had to go as Daniel threatened to kill her and her brother. I feel that she has lied on various occassions prior to this and probably got away with it, she probably thought that 'these lies' were no different. 

  

Yes, and people say that everyone lies, ok but this was not her breaking a curfew time, or just taking her parents car without permission, tthese were lies about a murder..... 

  

Her mother is the one that amazes me probably even more, she should be wrapping her arms around her family and seeking within her heart and with counseling for all of them a way to heal, to find a way in which to give some closure to this incident.   

Her main concern is what the 'world will think' and 'getting the truth out', should other peoples thoughts and opinions be more relevant than peace within her own family. What sort of example is she trying to set for her kids, and for who is she really seeking justice? I'm blown away by the fact that she can 'debate' headlights etc, yet I feel her family is falling apart not only from lies, but because they are the sort of people that would like the whole world to think they are incapable of any wrong doing,  there whole family set up has been a lie, I think, for a very long time. 

  

  

 
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October 22, 2005, 4:19 pm PDT

I have a different point of view....

I have always considered myself a person to listen and get the full story before forming a opinion.  I must admit when I first posted on here as well as after watching the show my thought was...Brandi is innocent let her go home.  I also must admit to you Stephanie that at first you really irritated me, and I thought you were looking at everything one sided.  However, I have been paying close attention to this message board and paying a lot of attention to what has been said by both sides, or the lack there of. 

I am a Christian.  I do believe in the power of forgiveness and have to deal with giving forgiveness for a death in my family.  I also have two children that I embed the theory of taking responsibility for their lives and their actions into.  One thing I tell my children is if you don't take responsibility for your life you will be an irresponsible person.  I have told them no one likes and irresponsible person. 

FACT!!!!!  Brandi is guilty of hitting Daniel and taking his life.  That can not be debated away no matter how much anyone tries.  She has admitted to hitting him herself.  Brandi has to learn a lesson from this and take responsibility for that action.  The best thing her parents can do instead of placing blame everywhere else is to speak to Brandi and have her admit to herself and them that she did kill Daniel.  She does not have to say she did it on purpose, but at least take a first step and admit that yes she did kill him.  Whether it was an accident or not is really a mute point at this venture, but Brandi and her parents need to admit that she killed him, period.   

I believe prison may not be the best place for her, but if not then she definately needs a lot of  in house counseling as well as her parents and brother need counseling too. 

As parents we have a responsibility to make sure our children take responsibility for their actions.  So far with Brandi that has not been done.  As long as she continues to defend herself and not take responsibility she is going to have this huge weight on her shoulders and not be able to deal with all her emotions, and other things that are happening to her...Hence the suicide attempts.   

The forgiveness for both of these families is something that is going to take time.  I know it has been 5 years, but with Brandi not admitting any wrong doing it is stopping the process. 

I also believe that part of Sheilas anger may be due to her not spending time with Daniel when she could have.  So there is probably anger there for more than just the death of her child.  Guilt is a terrible thing to carry with you. 

I am continuing to keep both of these families in my prayers.  Stephanie, you are a very strong woman of good character.  Your patience and diligence in handling all these questions is something you should be very proud of yourself for.   Take care.......Sue 

 
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October 22, 2005, 4:25 pm PDT

for the young lady that went to prison

 You know i know the family of the boy is hurt . But you cant bring him back. And i believe it was  

 accident. And she wil never forget it the rest of her life. You know there are alot of people in prison . 

That shouldnt be there . I seen this young lady sunday at the prison .With her mom and dad I did not  speak to her . but i seen her when i was visiting my sister. and it is heart breaking to see the young lady in there with her family. I think that she was given to much time . and i know how the other mother feels i would probaby feel the same way .but  i think this young lady has payed enough in prison . and will pay for the rest of her life. keeping her there is wrong . to wrongs dont make a right 

 
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