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Topic : 03/16 Cheerleader Scandal

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(Original Air Date: 10/13/05) In a heartbeat, your entire life can change. No one knows this better than the families of Brandi and Daniel. Seventeen-year-old Brandi was a cheerleader, an excellent student and an all-American girl. She was in love with athletic 18-year old Daniel. Now he’s dead and she finds herself behind bars serving a 12-year sentence, all because of what happened in just a split second. Was it murder or simply a horrific accident? Hear members of both families describe how the tragedy unfolded, and the struggle to put together the pieces of their shattered lives. Plus, Dr. Phil visits Brandi in prison to ask some very hard questions. She has an emotional message for Daniel's mother -- and for Daniel. Talk about the show here.

 

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March 16, 2006, 7:22 pm PST

Forgiveness will give you peace...

Like Dr. Phil said, no one knows what really happened expect for those two. The most unfortunate thing is all of the anger in both familes. They both still have children at home that need a whole lot of help. They all do. The boy's mother has to understand one thing. I have 3 grown kids of my own, and we never know our kids outside of the house. We cannot ever say, he or she will never do that. They would be totally surprised to know what kids do and how they really act away from the family. 

  

You have to let go, and let God take over. Allow him to give you the peace that you need. You don't have to forget, but by all means let go and let some peace enter your lives once again. 

 
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March 16, 2006, 7:23 pm PST

Pain and suffering

As usual, you, Dr. Phil, have gotten down to the bottom line.  These families need to have individual counceling to heal from this tragic situation.  For what it's worth there is no equation between a dead child and one that is incarcerated whether they are the one's that perpitrated the death or not.
 
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March 16, 2006, 7:23 pm PST

Yes!

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I watched the show tonight about Brandi and Daniel.  I have an opinion about the show because my step sister was killed by her husband of the same nature.  They could never prove what happened.  He said she jumped out of the truck and we of course all say no way.  The reason I have such a strong opinion is because I think anyone who is involved in an accident and has reason to believe or suspects they have injured someone should either call or go to the police or atleast stay with the victim until help arrives.  This would be someone who is innocent.  Someone who is guilty leaves the scene of the accident without rendering aid or makes up a story out of "shock".  I have since forgiven my step brother in law.  He served less than two years for his crime but it tore my family apart.  I became a christian shortly after my step sister was killed because I wanted to know where she went when she died.  I know about forgiveness and I know about families being torn apart.  These two families are not doing anything for their kids by bickering on tv.  Brandi might not be guilty of murder but she is guilty.  Yes she was only 17 but she was old enough to steal her parents' keys and drive over there.   If it was an accident, she should have stayed with her boyfriend until help arrived. 
I totally agree with you.  Innocent people do NOT leave the scene of the crime.  This girl wasn't in shock - she was terrified by what she did and she only thought about running and trying to cover  her own butt.  She was so terrified of this boy and his threats that she went out alone in the middle of the night to give him his things.  Her family is delusional and they are totally callous about the boy's families feelings.  All they care about is that their little cheerleader perfect daugther is in jail and that it has tarnished their reputation and their comfortable little lives.  The girl may be incarcerated but she is living and breathing and she will likely be free one day.  There is a future for her.  There is NOTHING for this boy.  NOTHING.
 
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March 16, 2006, 7:24 pm PST

Who are you to judge

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The boy's mother was obviously no kind of mother, but she sure latched onto anger over her son's death -- I recognize her as the kind of people she is and her type would rather fight than eat. I'm sure her son was at fault for jumping out in front of the girl -- it seems very much like he used her to kill him much like those 'suicide by cop' people do. I believe the girl; call it a gut feeling. The boy's mother's rage is now her reason for living. It's so much easier to blame someone else rather than face up to what she had a hand in -- had she not essentially abandoned the boy for a period of time, he might not have felt so desperate. That woman doesn't want the truth; she can't cope with that, & for good reason. I think the tragedy is that the boy felt his life had no value. For that, I think we owe a certain amount of thanks to his mother. So, why is Dr. Tell-It-Like-It-Is-Phil not addressing that matter? I'm sure, having lived in Texas, he's familiar with her type and is wisely keeping out of her 'reach'. Though she may be feeling some grief (or guilt), she needs a serious wake-up call here. She ruined at least 1 life that we know of, but won't be happy until she has destroyed that child's life and the lives of her parents and brother. Now that's sick.

How dare you make such an accusation. "The boy's mother was obviously no kind of mother".... 

  

You have no idea what was going on with the mother or her family. To say she won't restuntil she destroys the life of the girl is way over board. You obviously have not lost a child. 

  

So they have personal problems, well go figure on this one... 

  

What was going on in the girl's family to cause her to be afraid of her Dad? and Mom? 

  

She was more concerned about what they would think about her messing up the car than she was with the other Mother's son...  

  

  

The girl's family are more concerned about loosing time with their dauhgter for 12 years than they are about the other family's loss and they sure made that obvious... 

  

To make a comment such as you did about the boy's mom, would you be the other Mom? 

  

  

 
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March 16, 2006, 7:27 pm PST

What?

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You will never find peace within yourself if you dont have forgiveness.  What I dont understand is WHAT WAS DANIEL DOING IN FRONT OF HER CAR? If it was dark, he never should have been there.   I happen to believe her.  The fact that she put a tree thru her windshield more than likely came from fright and sheer terror.  I do not believe she intentionally tried to kill or even harm your son.  Accidents do happen unfortunately and if he ran in front of her car, that was unfortunate.  I can understand you miss your son and my heart bleeds for you, but being hateful will never bring him back.  Brandy will carry this scar for the rest of her life and that will never be easy when she has to explain it to an employer, a husband and her own child. 

  

Please, please, for the sake of all of you, forgive her. You are becoming sick, your daughter will be hate filled and it will scar her for the rest of her life.  I see the horrible bitterness you all bear and how many lives are being ruined.   Hatred will never ever bring your son back. Its all water under the bridge and I am sure Daniel is up in heaven asking you to forgive her and let this go. 

I tell you what, PollyAnna, you lose a child, you have the parents of your child's murderer taunt you and tell you that you were a horrible parent, you have this girl say horrible things about your son who can no longer defend himself, and then you come back and talk about forgiveness.
 
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March 16, 2006, 7:28 pm PST

Everything Happens for a Reason

 I am only 20 years old and I've lost a baby, my baby's future was cut off before it was even born. I can't exactly say I know how she feels but I understand why she feels so angry. I believe that God is the one that has a say so in what happens in my life and he knows what's best for us, he knows how much we can bare. I don't believe she killed him on perpose, there isn't enough evidence to prove that she is neither guilty nor innocent. She was 17 and upset and frustrated, any women who says they've never felt that way in arguement with their boyfriend  is liar. I've had my share of heart breaks and arguements with my ex's and some of them worst than others and at times you don't really know what you are doing when you are crying and angry. I think both families just need to stop pointing fingers  at each other because neither side can really say what happened. And to my knowledge the cheerleader's mother said that there was a witness saying that he saw her boyfriend step in front of her car. Also the police said that those tire marks may not have even been from her father's car.  The boyfriends sister's story didn't sound legit to me, she said at first she "heard" him get hit, in the middle of dialing 911 and ran outside to see her brother laying on the ground, then towards the end of the show she said she saw him get hit. Her story should be irrelevant because she's saying two different things. Plus no one knows how their relationship was he could have threatened her and her brother, a lot of people live double lives, are two-faced. He could have portrayed himself as a good fellow infront of his family and could have been a controlling boyfriend when they were alone, it happens. Trying to figure out what went on within their relationship and while they were arguing is a waste of time, only they know. These two families should just stop playing the blame game and move on with their lives because nothing can be changed now, and if locking a young girl up in anger makes his mother feel better I think that is a sick way to be. Bringing greif on another family should not make someone happy. Things happen and most people learn how to deal with these things they use them to make themselves stronger and move on with their lives. She isn't the only one in this world that is dealing with the lost of a child. Not only that but locking the girl  up wouldn't really change much of anything, she will have to live with this for the rest of her life just like everyone else has to, it will probably effect her worst if anything. 

 

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March 16, 2006, 7:29 pm PST

Honoring your loss

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  I have been reading the message boards and am really saddened that some of you think so low of me . If you have never felt the loss of a child then you don't know the anger or the frustration that comes with it . 

 As to where I was for 5 years I was in my son's life he lived with his father because I moved alot because of the business that I and my husband now run. But I spoke often with my children on the phone and saw them as often as I could. And please remember  Daniel was 18  at thew time she took his life. Daniel was raised to respect others and alot of you seem to think he came from a bad background you don't know our family you are only going by what a convicted murderer and her family are saying . remember we didn't convict her the courts did. 

And as for how I was on the show you only saw the taping you didn't see the finger pointing or hear the lies that were coming out of their mouths oonoor did you see the photos for the first time of the crime scene of my son in a fetal position covered in blood his arm bent awkward or the hole on the back of his head . i got to see those pictures 1 hour before the show aired and i had never seen them before . So walk in my shoes before you pass judgement on my son.  

Hello Daniel's Mom (and family), 

  

I am so sorry that the memory of your son is not honored well by Brandi and her family.  Regardless of what the truth is, it is clear that your son is being slandered with no ability to defend himself and his tragic death is dishonored by Brandi's family, even if it was an accident. 

  

I hope you take the time to read my (rather lengthy) post on this topic before I saw your message.  This is the first time I have ever participated in any kind of message board and was prompted to action based on this episode.  While I can understand any parent's loss, even Brandi's parents, their one-sided attitude and denial of any wrong-doing on their daughter's part was bewidering.  I thought this Dr. Phil episode was in poor taste and hope they do not continue to promote these types of episodes. 

  

It is clear that Brandi's family is in the grip of horrible suffering.  Don't make their mistake.  I hope you will not allow this tragic incident to further damage you or your family.  I think Dr. Phil was right about finding a way to forgive, even it it means you must say, "I forgive these callous, self-serving people, so I can honor Daniel by stopping the poison of this tragedy."  Do not give Brandi or her family any more power to dishonor your son's memory.  If you do, then aren't you dishonoring him too?  I can only imagine he would want you to find a way to live beyond this pain. 

  

Please take care of yourselves and your family.  For what it is worth, I think you are much closer to healing than the other family in this tragedy.  Maybe that, in itself, is a small measure of justice for your loss. 

  

Take care of yourselves.  

 
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March 16, 2006, 7:29 pm PST

plea bargain?

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I am currently watching today's show and I am so angry.  If Brandi was innocent, then why take a plea bargain?  She agreed to the plea bargain so now she has to live with the choice she made.  I feel for her family, but we all live with the choices we make...even the "accidents" we cause.  We live in Italy and their law states that if you are at fault in an accident resulting in death due to negligence, you may be sentenced to  12 years in prison and large fines.  Anything that empares your ability to react to your surroundings, is no different than drunk driving.  For her to think that she would serve only 120 days for a HIT AND RUN was ludicrous.  Her HIT AND RUN was no accident.  That may be why her plea bargain was for VOLUNTARY MANSLAUGHTER.  Live and learn...
I dont believe Brandi even had an inkling or knew what a "plea bargain" was.  She was not understanding of legal jargon. Her sleazy lawyer tried to dump the case to go on with something that he knew he would win and convinced her to go for a plea bargain at the last minute so he could go on with another lucrative case that probably paid him more money. Washnt he a court appointed lawyer?  They are the worst. If you cant make it in prvt. practice, you cant be that good.  She should have had representation at that particular moment to advise her and not to just listen to him.  She got a bad deal with her lawyers.
 
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March 16, 2006, 7:30 pm PST

Cheerleader Scandal

Dear Dr. Phil 

I really don't know how to start this letter. 

Here I go , I really can feel for the family that  lost their son, Daniel, as we lost our son Dave, at the age of 31, different case all together, but death is still death!!! Our son's  death was a suicide, death by hanging. Never saw it coming, we lived in different cities. That was 1year and 5 months ago. 

You beat yourself up over and over and again. Yes I did find blame in his girlfriend that left him, but he knew she was leaving, so I know she was only the trigger and really not the blame. But really as a MOm, you want  to pin the blame on someone, if not me, then who???? 

Losing a child is the ultimate pain a parent can EVER think of, it hits you when you are not looking, when you are sleeping, when you are bathing, when you are alone in thought, in the mirror, it just hits you. He is your child, and he is gone, how do you go all?? 

Well for me, I having a very loving husband and the greatest son {Rick} ever 

I have found strength in my family and freinds, and I have found that life is so damn short. 

So  now, I  am trying to live life like Dave had wanted me too. 

Oh I still  cry , and cry, I wear his grade school picturein a locket around  my neck and his baby ring, how sad is that!! He is still my son, and always will be. 

I As a mom  I can feel for Brandi's family,but........she is still here, and Daniel is not 

  

 
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March 16, 2006, 7:35 pm PST

Remember why we have a judicial system

I think Brandi's perfectionistic mother and unsympathetic father need to wake up and realize that what another 12 years (really a small price to pay for taking a life) will accomplish is what we call "punishment" to the guilty and "justice" to the victims (Daniel's family) in this country.  Every criminal guilty of killing in the heat of passion and emotions has the same story.  They are not helping Brandi by not allowing her to be accountable for her actions.  My heart and sympathy goes out to Daniel's mother, father, and sister.  It pained me to see them sitting there on the show with little support.  Stand strong and DO NOT allow this (Brandi's) family to think they are above the law and most importantly the justice you deserve.  I truley believe that if they showed more remorse and respect for your family, it might make it easier for you to forgive Brandi.  They need to really think about their actions and the impact they are going to have on their daughter.  My main worry is that she will get out one day and not having ever really taken ownership for her crimes - who knows what will happen the next time she is in a tough spot.  I wouldn't want anyone I care about to be her next victim.
 
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