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(Original Air Date: 10/13/05) In a heartbeat, your entire life can change. No one knows this better than the families of Brandi and Daniel. Seventeen-year-old Brandi was a cheerleader, an excellent student and an all-American girl. She was in love with athletic 18-year old Daniel. Now he’s dead and she finds herself behind bars serving a 12-year sentence, all because of what happened in just a split second. Was it murder or simply a horrific accident? Hear members of both families describe how the tragedy unfolded, and the struggle to put together the pieces of their shattered lives. Plus, Dr. Phil visits Brandi in prison to ask some very hard questions. She has an emotional message for Daniel's mother -- and for Daniel. Talk about the show here.

 

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March 18, 2006, 11:46 am PST

Could ba a two-way street?

 This whole situation is very sad. And there is simply not enough information for me,in one show,to think that Brandi was guilty OR innocent. You can judge all you want to about her "fake tears",her "cold-hearted parents",Daniel abused her....all that. But the key elements is in the actuall crime scene itself. I'm sure the police did their job,but I thought it was strange that the impact mark was clear over on the passenger side. To me,if she really wanted to drill him,the mark would have been in the center? Maybe he ricoched to the left? Who knows. They didn't show,or I couldn't see the very front of the car. Was the grill broke? Where at? Which headlight was marked by impact. Was the whole front-end clean? If so,how could she hit him and only hit him with the windshield? Plus it looked like a trailer park,could she even reach 60mph in a trailer park? There were supposed to be skid marks? Where were those,in front of where he was standing,or well after? Plus it sounded like it was dark outside,I don't know.  

   But I will say that Brandi didn't make herself look too good by her inconsistency,yet she was a 17 year-old girl,freaked out,despite the tree-limb story,and she has NEVER done anything like this before. She's not a professional criminal. I think she was responsible,simply because she was behind the wheel. 12 years seems a little stiff. And it seems like Daniel was an unstable person,I could see it being an accident. Yet,I can see her going over the edge for that critical moment. 

  I think Brandi's parents were great,they WANT to believe she's innocent,therefore they say she is. But they don't know. I do think it was a cheap shot for Shiela to call her a piss-poor mother,and I got the impression that Daniel's whole family were after revenge and they accused Brandi's parents as much as Brandi herself?!? I wasn't impressed with them. I'm tired of all these other messages on here judging,especially Brandi/parents for being spoiled or snobs,get real,does that make any difference? 

 
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March 18, 2006, 1:33 pm PST

wisdom of John Adams

It was John Adams who cautioned, 'Better a guilty man go free than one innocent man be sent to prison.'   

  

If there is "REASONABLE doubt," she should be set free.  I believe there is REASONABLE doubt.   

Fear or shock can cause anyone to behave in a confusing or irregular way.   

  

  

 
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March 18, 2006, 1:55 pm PST

Unfairly sentenced

 Has anyone done a search on what the sentence is for Brandi's crimes? 

  

Here is a link about a woman who was charged with a hit and run and thinks she was unfairly sentenced. She was sentenced to 25 yrs. 

  

http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=4626320 

  

  

I saw where one man got up to 10 1/2 years . He wasn't charged with covering up the crime but he did not report the incident. 

  

If the family would have been told she would get 25 yrs but only got 12 yrs do you think they would still think it is unfair? 

  

I haven't seen anywhere in my search where it speaks of 120 days plea bargain. 

  

Everyone who has been charged with this crime feels they were unjustly sentenced... 

  

Have a look at the link... 

  

  

 
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March 18, 2006, 2:15 pm PST

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WoW... Did you know Brandi and Daniel personally?  Do you have eyewitness accounts that we were not privvy to?  Or are you basing your judgement of the situation on the accounts of the only LIVING person from this relationship?  How bold of you to tell Daniel's family how to come to terms with their loss, and decide they are dysfunctional because they express their loss in natural emotional outlets that you seem unable to have.  That they loved Daniel is obvious... That Brandi caused his death (then tried to hide it) is obvious... That he was abusive is subjective - based upon the killer's testament.
wow you have a real problem with understanding what people are trying to say. If Daniel's family would let go of the hate, allow the closer that they have, and find peace in it. They could love the time they had with Daniel instead of hating FOR him. To have peace and forgiveness in your heart is the only true key to success in a case like this. Beside the Lord says, " Love thy enemy as you love yourself". And to pray for them. Vengeance is for the Lord. If Brandi is truly guilty like you say then the Lord will deal with her on his own terms. No I am not passing judgment I just saying that there are more healthy ways of dealing with this. Ways that will allow healing to come sooner then later. You never get over something like this you just learn to live with it. And just because you allow yourself to heal does not mean that you have forgotten about your loved one.  My own personal experience was just in example how the Lord commands us the love one another. He did COMMANDS us to do so. And my own heal process has progressed this far because I have the love in my heart the way the Lord commanded us too. All I am trying to say that there is a bigger picture here then a girl that hit her boyfriend with her parents car and killed him. There's more then a guy that subjectively abused his girlfriend. For the longest time I blamed himself for my husband's death until one day the pastor at my church said to me... The only person that was at fault that night was your husband himself. He choose his surrounding and the kind of people he involved himself with. For a longer time I don't understand what he meant. But now I do. No one will ever know the truth about what happen that night. I am just  stating the fact of how Daniel's family presented themselves and how Brandi's family presented themselves. Daniel may have been abusive or may not have been. But the anger that his mother showed towards Brandi's family is subject enough to believe something in that home is dysfunctional. Brandi's family is not wrong for loving her and standing beside her. It's natural and that is what family is all about. Being there through anything. They are also not wrong for wanting her home with them. I look at it like this if Brandi serves her 12 year sentence then thats the Lords will. But if it were mind she'd go home. And since you are so sure of Brandi being guilty let my explain the way your system works. She was charged with 1st degree murder. And took a leaser plea. If the state really thought that this girl did this the way you say they would have never gave her a plea bargain. They would have pushed her to go to trail. The state is the only one that can make a plea bargain. If they thought they had a strong case lessing the charge  would have been out of the question. But you see the State gets paid to make a conviction. So therefor they would throw a plea at her in hopes that she would take it. And that is what she did. Probably because she was afraid and only seventeen. You can bet if she would have held out longer they would have throw another plea her way with a even lesser charge. They always start at the top and work their way down and if you don't believe me ask a lawyer. If you feel so strongly that about this case I'd like to hear your opinion on the case about the teacher hitting and killing the two children and then hide out after hiding evidence.  She received 2 year community control and 3 years probation. Never spend one day in jail...
 
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March 18, 2006, 2:31 pm PST

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  I have been reading the message boards and am really saddened that some of you think so low of me . If you have never felt the loss of a child then you don't know the anger or the frustration that comes with it . 

 As to where I was for 5 years I was in my son's life he lived with his father because I moved alot because of the business that I and my husband now run. But I spoke often with my children on the phone and saw them as often as I could. And please remember  Daniel was 18  at thew time she took his life. Daniel was raised to respect others and alot of you seem to think he came from a bad background you don't know our family you are only going by what a convicted murderer and her family are saying . remember we didn't convict her the courts did. 

And as for how I was on the show you only saw the taping you didn't see the finger pointing or hear the lies that were coming out of their mouths oonoor did you see the photos for the first time of the crime scene of my son in a fetal position covered in blood his arm bent awkward or the hole on the back of his head . i got to see those pictures 1 hour before the show aired and i had never seen them before . So walk in my shoes before you pass judgement on my son.  

I do not think low of you in any way, shape or form.  I feel very sorry for your loss.  I know what it is like to lose someone so tragically and have no answers for it.  I am not passing judgement on your son.  But I believe there are 2 sides to every story.  I believe that some where in the middle is the truth.  No one wants to believe that their son or daughter is in a relationship way to deep.  Love can make people say and do the scariest of things.  You don't know what was going on with your son that night.  How did you feel about Brandi before the accident?  Did you like her?  Was she good to your son?  I call it an accident because I do not believe that this girl ran your son down on purpose. 

  

I am a true believer that things happen for a reason.  No one can explain them and no one ever truely understands why.  Please don't let the anger you have towards Brandi or her family destroy yours.  I know all to well about anger.  It is not a way to live.  My hearts and prayers go out to your family and to Brandi's.   

 
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March 18, 2006, 3:05 pm PST

I think you missed some things

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wow you have a real problem with understanding what people are trying to say. If Daniel's family would let go of the hate, allow the closer that they have, and find peace in it. They could love the time they had with Daniel instead of hating FOR him. To have peace and forgiveness in your heart is the only true key to success in a case like this. Beside the Lord says, " Love thy enemy as you love yourself". And to pray for them. Vengeance is for the Lord. If Brandi is truly guilty like you say then the Lord will deal with her on his own terms. No I am not passing judgment I just saying that there are more healthy ways of dealing with this. Ways that will allow healing to come sooner then later. You never get over something like this you just learn to live with it. And just because you allow yourself to heal does not mean that you have forgotten about your loved one.  My own personal experience was just in example how the Lord commands us the love one another. He did COMMANDS us to do so. And my own heal process has progressed this far because I have the love in my heart the way the Lord commanded us too. All I am trying to say that there is a bigger picture here then a girl that hit her boyfriend with her parents car and killed him. There's more then a guy that subjectively abused his girlfriend. For the longest time I blamed himself for my husband's death until one day the pastor at my church said to me... The only person that was at fault that night was your husband himself. He choose his surrounding and the kind of people he involved himself with. For a longer time I don't understand what he meant. But now I do. No one will ever know the truth about what happen that night. I am just  stating the fact of how Daniel's family presented themselves and how Brandi's family presented themselves. Daniel may have been abusive or may not have been. But the anger that his mother showed towards Brandi's family is subject enough to believe something in that home is dysfunctional. Brandi's family is not wrong for loving her and standing beside her. It's natural and that is what family is all about. Being there through anything. They are also not wrong for wanting her home with them. I look at it like this if Brandi serves her 12 year sentence then thats the Lords will. But if it were mind she'd go home. And since you are so sure of Brandi being guilty let my explain the way your system works. She was charged with 1st degree murder. And took a leaser plea. If the state really thought that this girl did this the way you say they would have never gave her a plea bargain. They would have pushed her to go to trail. The state is the only one that can make a plea bargain. If they thought they had a strong case lessing the charge  would have been out of the question. But you see the State gets paid to make a conviction. So therefor they would throw a plea at her in hopes that she would take it. And that is what she did. Probably because she was afraid and only seventeen. You can bet if she would have held out longer they would have throw another plea her way with a even lesser charge. They always start at the top and work their way down and if you don't believe me ask a lawyer. If you feel so strongly that about this case I'd like to hear your opinion on the case about the teacher hitting and killing the two children and then hide out after hiding evidence.  She received 2 year community control and 3 years probation. Never spend one day in jail...

She was charged with 1st degree murder. And took a leaser plea. If the state really thought that this girl did this the way you say they would have never gave her a plea bargain. They would have pushed her to go to trail. The state is the only one that can make a plea bargain. If they thought they had a strong case lessing the charge  would have been out of the question. But you see the State gets paid to make a conviction. So therefor they would throw a plea at her in hopes that she would take it. And that is what she did. Probably because she was afraid and only seventeen. You can bet if she would have held out longer they would have throw another plea her way with a even lesser charge. They always start at the top and work their way down and if you don't believe me ask a lawyer.  

 

Brandi's parents made it clear that there were no plea bargains offered by the state.  In fact, they were upset because their attorney went to the State and asked for a deal just before trial.  And the state apparently was unwilling to "give" on the issue of whether it was "voluntary".    

 
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March 18, 2006, 3:20 pm PST

Reasonable based on what info?

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It was John Adams who cautioned, 'Better a guilty man go free than one innocent man be sent to prison.'   

  

If there is "REASONABLE doubt," she should be set free.  I believe there is REASONABLE doubt.   

Fear or shock can cause anyone to behave in a confusing or irregular way.   

  

  

Unless you've done some serious research into this incident and know all the facts, how on EARTH do you think you have enough information to determine a reasonable doubt based on what you saw on a one hour television show? 

  

Eyewitness testimony and the police investigation indicated that Brandi's story does not hold water when all the evidence is considered.    

 
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March 18, 2006, 7:48 pm PST

To both sets of parents

I have walked in Daniel's Mother's shoes except my child was a daughter instead of a son.  No matter.  I did not take out my anger on the offender's parents.  They were hurting too but for a different reason.  To Daniel's Mother, if the tables were turned, would you not be doing everything humanly possible to get your child out of prison?   I would.  We may not always like what our children do but we most always love them no matter what they do. 

  

To Brandi's parents, your daughter was not consistent in her interview with Dr. Phil.  I saw little remorse except for what this tragedy has done to you and knowing she has 8 more years.  I don't mean to imply that she killed Daniel intentionally either.  I don't know.  Would she turn around and do it again if she could knowing the consequences.  I don't think so.   

  

To all of you - you don't have to become best friends.  But for God's sake and yours, stop the finger pointing, the shouting, and hurling accusations.  It accomplishes nothing and will get you no where.     

  

  

 
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March 18, 2006, 8:23 pm PST

cheerleader scandal

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She was charged with 1st degree murder. And took a leaser plea. If the state really thought that this girl did this the way you say they would have never gave her a plea bargain. They would have pushed her to go to trail. The state is the only one that can make a plea bargain. If they thought they had a strong case lessing the charge  would have been out of the question. But you see the State gets paid to make a conviction. So therefor they would throw a plea at her in hopes that she would take it. And that is what she did. Probably because she was afraid and only seventeen. You can bet if she would have held out longer they would have throw another plea her way with a even lesser charge. They always start at the top and work their way down and if you don't believe me ask a lawyer.  

 

Brandi's parents made it clear that there were no plea bargains offered by the state.  In fact, they were upset because their attorney went to the State and asked for a deal just before trial.  And the state apparently was unwilling to "give" on the issue of whether it was "voluntary".    

I do know where you are comeing from and I think it's weird seeing someone I used to hang out with in this situtation. I think that GOD will give both families peace as long as they PRAY. I feel that some people do pass away in the wrong ways and it confuses family members and they ask why?????, my family and its hard to answer that question and say that it was his/her time to go. You did make some things clearer to some others that watched the show and the both families. Thanks for writing and showing the families a different perspective.  
 
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March 18, 2006, 8:52 pm PST

stop the hate

I believe that if the families don't stop then something bad will happen to one of you individuals. I think you should think about the good time not the bad. I also think it weird to see someone I used to hang out with in 7th grade in this situtation. I feel that both families need to take some time out and consitrate on there lives, look at your other children they need you to. I know you can't forget but you do need to move on with life and live it for the fullest. I believe that both families can do it and be successful. Brandi's parent need to get that boy on track he is a smart young man and be something great in the future. I know he may be out of control but change that soon or he will be where Brandi is and you don't need that. Brandi's brother needs to hang in there and show the world and your parents what you can become. To Daniel's family I think you all need to become a little closer and move on with life. I personally don't know you all but hang in the and become a close great family for Daniel, you know he is there with you all everyday . He watches you and would not want you to be this way, he wants you all to happy and move on. He will always love you all. For his twin I know it's hard and you can be man and make everyone proud of what you can accomplish. For Daniel's sister I know you feel a lot of hate but you need to be strong that when Brandi does get out you can control yourself. To both families start now by doing some changes that way things will get better and life will be easier to go by day by day. GOD BLESS YOU ALL and BEST OF LUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

 
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