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Topic : 03/16 Cheerleader Scandal

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Created on : Friday, October 07, 2005, 03:42:52 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/13/05) In a heartbeat, your entire life can change. No one knows this better than the families of Brandi and Daniel. Seventeen-year-old Brandi was a cheerleader, an excellent student and an all-American girl. She was in love with athletic 18-year old Daniel. Now he’s dead and she finds herself behind bars serving a 12-year sentence, all because of what happened in just a split second. Was it murder or simply a horrific accident? Hear members of both families describe how the tragedy unfolded, and the struggle to put together the pieces of their shattered lives. Plus, Dr. Phil visits Brandi in prison to ask some very hard questions. She has an emotional message for Daniel's mother -- and for Daniel. Talk about the show here.

 

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March 20, 2006, 7:54 pm PST

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Has anyone looked into whether Brandi's adjudication was withheld or was she adjudicated? 

Did she plead guilty or no contest?  

  

Cause this would be the correct term on whether or not she can appeal her case.  

 
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March 20, 2006, 8:34 pm PST

03/16 Cheerleader Scandal

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I advocate for abused and neglected children in the juvenile system.  What you are feeling is a very natural reaction, and unfortunately you are not alone in what you are going through.  My recommendations, if I were assigned to your daughter's case, would be that both of you continue to receive extensive counseling.  There are support groups out there that your local Child Advocacy Center should be able to put you in touch with, as well as classes for non-offending parents to help you deal with your grief, identify why you may not have seen signs, to understand why your mother may be reacting as she is, and build coping skills to help you and your daughter move forward.   As I stated, unfortunately you are not as alone in this as you think you are - thousands of families are coping with the same issues you are every day in this country.  Fortunately your daughter has a supportive mother who loves and believes her.  Your lives may never be the same, but your daughter is not "damaged goods" and you can both get through this without it defining who you are for the rest of your lives.  Stay calm, stay focused, educate yourself, give yourself some time to grieve and work through the issues, and most of all believe that you will both eventually be okay and, once you are, reach out to help and educate others. 
are you what they call the G.A.L?
 
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March 21, 2006, 12:04 am PST

03/16 Cheerleader Scandal

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You will never find peace within yourself if you dont have forgiveness.  What I dont understand is WHAT WAS DANIEL DOING IN FRONT OF HER CAR? If it was dark, he never should have been there.   I happen to believe her.  The fact that she put a tree thru her windshield more than likely came from fright and sheer terror.  I do not believe she intentionally tried to kill or even harm your son.  Accidents do happen unfortunately and if he ran in front of her car, that was unfortunate.  I can understand you miss your son and my heart bleeds for you, but being hateful will never bring him back.  Brandy will carry this scar for the rest of her life and that will never be easy when she has to explain it to an employer, a husband and her own child. 

  

Please, please, for the sake of all of you, forgive her. You are becoming sick, your daughter will be hate filled and it will scar her for the rest of her life.  I see the horrible bitterness you all bear and how many lives are being ruined.   Hatred will never ever bring your son back. Its all water under the bridge and I am sure Daniel is up in heaven asking you to forgive her and let this go. 

I AM SURE DANNIAL DOES FORGIVE HER!!!!!
 
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March 21, 2006, 12:18 am PST

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She said she and Daniel, after watching and talking about why Brandi was parked down the street revving her engine for 15 minutes insted of going home, finally decided to just go back into the trailer.  They turned from the street and were walking back up to the house side by side when she hit him.   She said they heard Brandi's car accelerate and head down the street but thought she was just leaving the trailer park.   

  

In response to Brandi's mom's post that said "with your back turned you saw nothing as you said you heard the acident you didnt see it" Stephanie posted "NO I SAW EVERYTHING THE ONLY THING I DIDN'T SEE WAS WHERE DANIEL LANDED!  THAT WAS BECAUSE IT WAS 58 YRS (SIC) AWAY!  CRYSTAL WAS THE ONE WHO DIDN'T SEE IT! 

  

  

I read a lot of the message board today and i see you did talk with steph a lot. That's awesome I didn't know she already got the truth out, thats why I was gettin on here in the first place. :) The only thing that would make this easier would be having Brandi take responsibility and not make 100 excuses when doing so.
 
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March 21, 2006, 4:10 am PST

CASA/GAL

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are you what they call the G.A.L?
I'm a CASA/GAL (Court Appointed Special Advocate/Guardian ad LItem).  I am not an attorney but can recommend a child be appointed an attorney to protect their legal interest if necessary, or if what I recommend is not what the child wants.  CASA's are unpaid trained volunteers.  We work for the juvenile judge to investigate cases of abuse/neglect and keep the judge informed about how the child is doing, what services they are being provided or need, how things are progressing in the case from the child's prospective.  We inform the judge whetehr the social workers, parents and foster parents are doing what they say they will do so kids don't get lost in the cracks of the system.  See www.nationalcasa.org if anyone would like to volunteer. 
 
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March 21, 2006, 4:38 am PST

By the way...

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are you what they call the G.A.L?

You are going through the very hardest part right now in the period between disclosure of abuse and the trial.  There is so much I'm sure you want to talk about with your mother and it's so frustrating that you can't right now because it might jeopardize the case.  Brandi's case is an example of that frustration.  Since her case didn't go to trial, her family hasn't really had a chance to talk one-on-one with the people who were there that night - they can only go by reports they read.  They admit that Brandi's recall of the facts are fuzzy.  Letting witnesses compare versions before the trial taints their testimony - that's why Stephanie was held in the police car alone and wasn't done giving her statement to police until the following day.  By the time she gave her deposition months later she may have talked to Daniel's family about what happened and pieced more of the puzzle together.  As Stephanie admits it becomes harder, especially five years later, to remember the exact details like did you SEE her hit him or did you KNOW she hit him because one moment you were walking together away from Brandi and the next you saw him on her car?  There's a difference in how sharp your memory is between memorizing what you read off some papers or heard somebody say in a calm atmosphere versus what you experienced with all five senses - when you can't forget what you saw, heard, smelled, felt or tasted.   

  

In your case, you've been dealing with what you've experienced with your five senses - the look of your child, what she said, how she acted.  If your mom didn't see that - if she is only experiencing what her son says and how he acts, it will taint her testimony if you try to win her over before trial by infusing her with too much of what you have experienced.  That can all come later, when you'll all be in a different stage of healing.    

 
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March 21, 2006, 5:07 am PST

Brandi did appeal her sentence

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Has anyone looked into whether Brandi's adjudication was withheld or was she adjudicated? 

Did she plead guilty or no contest?  

  

Cause this would be the correct term on whether or not she can appeal her case.  

But her attorney withdrew the appeal because they apparently could find no legal grounds for appeal.   

  

Brandi pled guilty to voluntary manslaughter, a presentencing investigation was ordered, and she was sentenced the following month.   

  

My interpretation of what Brandi's mother is saying is that they had a "deal" with one prosecutor regarding the sentencing and the problem was that another prosecutor showed up for the actual sentencing hearing who didn't realize they had made a deal with the other prosecutor.  Brandi's attorney asked for probation at the sentencing hearing citing the fact that Brandi had no criminal record and had continued to sit with her mother at night working through nightmares she had since Daniel's death.   

  

It appears that Brandi's family didn't realize that the presentence investigation would include a review of the prosecutor's version of what happened that night.  Articles don't indicate what the prosecutor asked for, if anything, at that hearing.  The judge had the final say on the sentence which he bases on information in the presentence investigation, not the prosecutor.   

  

The first mention of abuse in the newspaper accounts appeared only after the sentencing.   

 

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March 21, 2006, 5:13 am PST

Sunday School

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I will not try to change the way that you feel about what happen to your son. I know this must be really hard. My own family just buried my cousin and I've watch what his mother and father goes through and my heart break at the thought of it...  ... ... ... But just because someone causes the death of another does not mean that they will burn in hell. The bible says that one sin is no better then the another. Which means that lying about something is equal to killing someone. Once saved always saved. The only thing that I have learned of that will cause a person to be written out of the book of heaven is blasphemy, which is the only unforgivable sin.  But i don't know a true Christian that would blasphemy the Lord. Being  saved and have a sure place in heaven means that you must believe that the Lord Jesus Christ came and died on the cross for our sins at Calvary. Now the bible dose say that other's rewards may be greater.   

So basically, what you are saying is that if I am saved, accept Jesus as my Lord and Saviour, and Murderers and Rapists that were also saved, I can expect to spend eternity with them?? Now come on, how much sense does this make? And how can this mentality be expected to console the parents, family, and friends of Daniel? Your "interpretation" of the Bible is just that.
 
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March 21, 2006, 5:36 am PST

How would they feel

The first thing I thought while watching Brandi's family was: how would they really feel if the shoe was on the other foot. Would they be pushing the 12 years is too much for an accident if Brandi was the one killed? I don't think so! I feel bad for both families. To me Brandi's family did not show sincere concern with the fact Daniel is dead and you don't come back from that. They still have a child they can see, talk to and eventually have back home with them. Daniel's family won't ever have that. I agree that Daniel's mom said some really harsh things but I can understand her pain.  I think Brandi should do the entire 12 years. I don't think giving her a life sentence is totally fair. 

  

Brandi left the scene, thought of a plan, put it into action and then told her father the story shows that she was covering her behind. The father said she was worried about the fact she had crashed the car. That shows she was full aware of what had happened. I don't think she intended to kill him but she knew she had hit him at a high rate of speed. I am sorry but I don't feel she is taking responsibility for what she has done. I don't believe if someone's abusing you or making a threat, that  you'd be so willing to sneak your parents car to go see that person.  

  

Both families should be trying to help each other through this instead of holding onto the hate. God will indeed have the final say in this matter. 

 

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March 21, 2006, 5:51 am PST

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I have never posted on this board before.  But after watching the show yesterday, I felt compelled to do so.   

  

I feel wholeheartedly that Brandi did this on purpose.  The evidence, in my opinion, overwhelmingly shows her guilt.  Her only defense was a re-creation of the scene, by her family and a part of the police report that says the tire tracks in the grass may have been days old. I feel that her allegations of abuse by and suicide threats of Daniel, are just that, allegations by a girl saying anything to save herself.  He is not here to defend himself, so those allegations should be dismissed.  She lied and back-peddled her way through her interview with Dr. Phil.  What I find interesting is that a polygraph test was never mentioned.  If I were her and I were as innocent as she claims to be, I would immediately submit to polygraph testing. 

  

I feel Brandi's family, particularly her father, acted in a heartless, selfish, shameful way.  It appeared to me that they are all in denial of the truth.  It must be acceptable in that household to lie or say whatever it takes to suit your own agenda.  Her father's comments to Daniel's family were completely out of line and uncalled for.  Whatever the circumstances were surrounding Daniel going to live with his father, had NOTHING to do with this case or this show.  For him to bring that up to a grieving mother is just hateful.  Shame on him for doing that. 

  

My message to Daniel's family:  Do not back down or falter in your quest to ensure that this girl stays behind bars.  She needs to serve her entire sentence, albeit a light sentence, for the crime that she committed.  You have my utmost respect for having the courage to go on national television to face the family of the girl that killed your son.  Please accept my deepest sympathy for your loss.  May God bless each of you and help you to heal.  May Daniel rest if peace. 

I posted a message which included everything you said, but for some reason, it was edited and that part didn't make it into my post. So I just wanted to say that I am in total agreement with everything you said. Brandi has taken a life and now her parents are trying to take their dignity. They literally sickened me.  

And their poor son. When asked if he thought Brandi killed Daniel on purpose, he replied,"No, not really." This is NOT the answer from someone that is convinced that his sister is innocent. His life is a mess and it sure looked like neglect is a major problem. His parents are so caught up trying to free their little murdering daughter that they are ignoring the child that still has hope.So sad. It was just another observation that sickened me about the parents with "Center Stage". 

Anyways, there are not nearly enough posts here that are kind to Daniel's family and that is sad. So thanks for speaking for me! Couldn't have said it better myself! 

--J 

 
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