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Created on : Friday, October 07, 2005, 03:42:52 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/13/05) In a heartbeat, your entire life can change. No one knows this better than the families of Brandi and Daniel. Seventeen-year-old Brandi was a cheerleader, an excellent student and an all-American girl. She was in love with athletic 18-year old Daniel. Now he’s dead and she finds herself behind bars serving a 12-year sentence, all because of what happened in just a split second. Was it murder or simply a horrific accident? Hear members of both families describe how the tragedy unfolded, and the struggle to put together the pieces of their shattered lives. Plus, Dr. Phil visits Brandi in prison to ask some very hard questions. She has an emotional message for Daniel's mother -- and for Daniel. Talk about the show here.

 

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October 13, 2005, 1:39 pm PDT

10/13 Cheerleader Scandal

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Daniel's death reminded me of the the way that Victor Davis, Olympic swim champion for Canada died on November 11, 1989 in Montreal.  The damage to the car involved was almost exactly the same.  Davis leaned over to look into the car as it sped by.  Perhaps both families would gain some perspective if they researched Davis' case.   Brandi hit Daniel's head and threw him 58 feet.  Was there damage to the car on the hood or side that we were not shown...if not, how does someone hit someone's head unless that person is leaning over looking into the car. 

I know todays show sucked. With common sence and the evidence left on the body street and car could be determind 

  

 
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October 13, 2005, 1:39 pm PDT

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Who does Daniel's mother think she is?  Who is she to never forgive Brandi?  If God can forgive us and forgave when His son Jesus was killed, who are we not to forgive others?  

  

My only daughter was murdered nine years ago and we don't know who did it.  Someone slipped GHB into her Sprite.  She died in her sleep. 

  

I didn't get to see my daughter graduate from High School either; I will never be a grandmother (Daniel's mom at least has a daughter) and I'll never see her get married either, but I feel that whomever put the drug in my daughter's Sprite will someday pay becuase I believe that God's punishment(s) are far more sever than anything I could ever do to anyone. 

  

I pray more for Daniel's family becuase they have no hope of ever seeing Daniel because of the hatred they have displayed on the air. 

  

For Brandi's family, I do feel bad, but at least they can go visit her in prison and they know one day she can be back in their arms to love again. 

 
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October 13, 2005, 1:40 pm PDT

Yes! I Agree! A Suicide!

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Dr. Phil said that the young man had threatened to "commit suicide" if she left him. He threatened to kill her and her younger brother. After fighting, she went to leave him and he stepped out in front of her car. Sounds like SUICIDE to me. She has served more time than child rapists and first-degree murderers. Let her go home. 

I agree with 'jayleigh'  on this one!   Think of this!   Daniel was mad that Brandi had left him after they had talked outside his house.   Daniel had told Brandi he would kill himself or her brother.  Daniel sees Brandi come down the road toward her home.   Daniel can rid himself of the pain of being dumped by Brandi----- and make it look like Brandi KILLED HIM----- Brandi would have to take the BLAME for running off on Daniel!   So Daniel jumps out in front of Brandi's car.   Things are working just as  Daniel had planned!!!    Of Course this is an accident to Brandi!  No wonder Brandi doesn't know what happened after Daniel appeared in front of her car----- she wouldn't think Daniel would really kill himself over her!   Retry Brandi with a NEW lawyer!   She has paid enough! 

 
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October 13, 2005, 1:41 pm PDT

Accident or not...At least STOP the car!

Okay, so it was an "accident" but then why didn't you stop and see if he was alright? I think her family and her need to realize that she should be thankful that she got such a short time in jail, compared to others. This girls family only suffers for about 12 years, but this guys family is suffering for life. I was watching today and the guys parents and sister were making good points. The mother and sister were saying that at least they can talk to there daughter...they can't even talk to him, he's gone forever..the girls family is being unreasonable. If it was an accident then she should have stopped to see if he was alright. She said the if she got out to see him he would have killed her, but he was on the ground...and hurt...was he not? Even if he said he was going to commit suicide, she should have told her parents or gotten a restraining order against him if he was harassing her that way. She needed to think before acting..i mean if she just hadn't gone out to see him that night, both families would not be suffering now. But you know what they say: Things happen for a reason.  

I am sorry for both families and i hope that both families can somehow deal and overcome this hard time. I feel sorry for the guys family because i think that that girl did murder there son. That girl did hit him, and i think she knows that she hit him, 
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Good luck to both families.   

 
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October 13, 2005, 1:41 pm PDT

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    I feel so sorry for Brandy I was in a similar situation. I am 24 and was in a four year relationship we went to high school together and grew up together  and it was a very abusive relationship he had also threatened to kill me and himself if I left him. One day He and I got in a physical fight and he threatened to kill me with an Ak47 and he ended up shooting the gun because he was so angry and it went out our apartment. He is now in prison and I know how Brandy is feeling that she was once in love with someone and wanted to get out but was afraid for her family and her self and when ending things a lot can happen and happen fast and I truly believe Brandy is innocent    

  

 

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October 13, 2005, 1:41 pm PDT

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The death of Daniel was a undoubtedly a tragic event and I don't think anyone disputes that. Brandi will live each day with the knowledge that her actions (intentional or otherwise) killed another human being. While I do think that some prison time may be necessary, when does it become futile. I know that to Daniel's mother, there is no amount of time that could be too long, but no matter how long Brandi sits in prison, it won't bring Daniel back. I think that Daniel's mother needs to begin the healing process and let go of her anger. No one is expecting her to forget what happened, but her actions and the emotions she is harboring are only making her (and her family's) quality of life worse. Nothing can bring him back. It reminds of of a quote I heard once that basically says....it's not what happens in your life that defines you, but how you move on or grow from it. Rather than direct unnecessary bitterness towards Brandi and her family (as though they weren't negatively affected be this situation enough) she should use that energy and drive to prevent things like this from happening to other teens by starting an organization or joining one already established. She could do a lot of good by educating young people on the choices they make and how to effectively deal with difficult situations and she would likely feel more at ease as a result of her work. 

 
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October 13, 2005, 1:42 pm PDT

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I can't even begin to imagine how you fill.  However, I do know what it feels like to want to end it all.  I never mentioned it, and my parents never knew anything about it until the day that I took 25+ sleeping pills.  In fact, the only way they knew is because my cousin had to take me to the hospital because I couldn't stop throwing up.  SHE had to call my parents, not me.  The pressure of being "perfect" in today's world is brought on by so many things.  I'm not saying that Daniel was trying to kill himself, no one will every know that, because Daniel is the only that can truely tell us.  I am sorry for your lose, however...you're young, beautiful, and intelligent, you need to NOT FORGET, but start forgiving a little bit at a time...it's the only way that you're going to be able to move on with you life.  You can't ever forget someone that you loved so dearly, however, if the situation were reversed, you would want Brandi's family to forgive your family...it's not easy, and it's a very very very long road (for both sides).  However, niether family can go on until the anger is gone...and you have every right to be angry, it's part of the healing process, but 12 years is along time to put your life on hold because of anger.  She says she's sorry, you have to believe that, whether it was an accident or not...she can't take it back.
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October 13, 2005, 1:42 pm PDT

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i think that brandi should be let out of prision, because she needs to regain her families love and know that they are going to be there by her side no matter what. if she knows that she didnt hit him on purpose, then i think that she should go back to the crime sceen and map out what happened from start to finish. or get another person to investigate the crime sceen. but eventhough i think that she was telling the truth the whole way i do have my other doubts. if they were arguing before she left then she might have intentionally hit him. and why would she try to cover it up by putting a tree in it and saying that someone vandilized the car? i also fell sorry for their family, because they cant walk into public with their heads held high, and they always has to look back on this situation and dwell on it. brandi should have told the truth to her parents from the begining, that she hit daniel and not that the car got vandilized. 

Regain her family's love? Any family that does not love their child after this in fact does have a "piss poor mother." And sure, they could have re-examined the scene and evidence and proven things - if it went to trial. But Brandi didn't want to go to trial (or her lawyer didn't) and it's a good thing (for her) too, because I think everyone knew that she would have been shot down and gotten the maximum penalty for murder in an instant.
 
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October 13, 2005, 1:42 pm PDT

Finding the girl's side more believable

I have seen abusers jump in front of vehicles to try and prevent the woman from leaving him.  In this case, she stopped and he pulled her out of the car and beat the crap out of her.  I have no problem imagining her being totally freaked out by his behavior and her brain just shutting down.   

  

I really don't like the son's mom.  Her reaction and behavior validates her version of him being abusive...of the two families, his looks much more "piss poor" than hers.   

 
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October 13, 2005, 1:42 pm PDT

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 well as i said and seeing replys from his famly its clear to me that they are very rude people and cant see both sides and dont take responbity fo rther e sons role either soits truely said on both sides.as for blaming parents Im a big person on teaching rigth fromwrong taking responbilty not blaming parents at all time sbut yes in this case it think both parnets are to blame to i do not mean that mean but vclearly these 2 kids were in bad situations andshlould not have been ina intense relenship at this age.and as for coments of we cnat watch our kids 24/7 why not i have three teens and i know were they are at all times and when imnto withthem they must check in on phones or they get grounded.
I teach my boys never ever to hit a woman or abuse her.its aparent tome these kids were nto taught much and if they were there were signs theres always signs and if we do our jobs asparnets we see those signs and do something about it.i find his family rude and just as abusive as he was said to be.
And i have been abused before i do no abusees do nto think clear either they do stupid stuff.he could have jumped in front of car thinking he was going to stop her or teach her lesson.
My abuser held knife to hsi throat said u leave and i will kill myself and i had had somuchi dint care i said please do it save us all pain and misery.
Iknow as the abused to taht you think iradic i thgt i could kill him and get away with it but i cant take a life id die myself,and next min id think what cna i do the police will nto help me noone will im onmy own.how much more can i take.i lost my family and friends who dont want to get involved.
So i think i cn see both sides.
I think both familys need to forgive and move on and she shld do some time because i belive in taking respobilty btu she will live with it all her life and her whole life will be chnaged even after.
Ithink that the boys family to must share responbilty for nto helping there son and seeing the signs and stopping it.i got 3 kids 15 16 17 boys are oldest and ill be damed if they run me over they know better.Im very il but my kids know not to push my limits.
They are good kids yes theymake mistakes but they learn fromand are punished for.and w etake responbilty when they mess up.we ground ourkids andlet me tell u u take a car and phone from a kid and tehy learn fast.My boys do not dodrugs,drink or smoke and i can guarntee you that,i know wer emy kids are at all times and tehy do not go anywere i do not approve of.so im sorry for both familys but seems ot me someone shld have seen this coming.

 
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