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Topic : 03/16 Cheerleader Scandal

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Created on : Friday, October 07, 2005, 03:42:52 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/13/05) In a heartbeat, your entire life can change. No one knows this better than the families of Brandi and Daniel. Seventeen-year-old Brandi was a cheerleader, an excellent student and an all-American girl. She was in love with athletic 18-year old Daniel. Now he’s dead and she finds herself behind bars serving a 12-year sentence, all because of what happened in just a split second. Was it murder or simply a horrific accident? Hear members of both families describe how the tragedy unfolded, and the struggle to put together the pieces of their shattered lives. Plus, Dr. Phil visits Brandi in prison to ask some very hard questions. She has an emotional message for Daniel's mother -- and for Daniel. Talk about the show here.

 

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October 13, 2005, 3:19 pm PDT

10/13 Cheerleader Scandal

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Losing a child is never easy no matter what age they are. The pain of the lose stays with you forever but you can move past it and not let it controll your life. I lost my daughter at the age of 8 days old because of a heart defect. I thought it would have been easier had I had more memories but now I'm not so sure. It is hard as a parent should never have to burry a child.  

  

Punishing Brandy won't make the pain go away it will only keep it alive. Let go and put out the fire I did it took a long time but I feel at peace now. I hope Daniels family can make peace with his death. It is not about how he died anymore It is about making peace with themselves so they can move ahead.  

  

Good luck to both families with picking up the pieces. 

Your message struck a cord. I also lost my daughter at 13 days old due to a heart defect. It has been twenty-five years, and there are still some days I can't even mention her name without losing it. Her heart defect was never detected so I went from have what I thought was a perfect baby to a dead one in an hour. From the sounds of your letter you have done ok, but I agree no parent should ever have to bury a child.
 
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October 13, 2005, 3:19 pm PDT

LET DANIEL'S FAMILY REST

Daniel's sister said that there will never be forgiveness.  There will never be any forgiveness because Brandi and her family still thinks it is an accident and are still making excuses for what she has done.  Accident or not, Daniel is gone cause of Brandi.  Suck it up and pay the price.  Just imagine what Daniel's family went through and is still going through.   And for Brandi's parents, shut up cause your making things worse.  AT LEAST YOU STILL HAVE YOUR DAUGHTER!!  The more I listened to her mom, the more I felt sorry for Daniel's parents.  Your daughter messed up, so she SHOULD pay whatever sentence she is given.  By you trying to bail your daughter out again and the excuse you are making for her, what kind of message are you sending your other kids?  Are you saying that your sister should be forgiven, she is okay, let her out just because she is SORRY??  Tell that to the grieving family! 
 
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October 13, 2005, 3:19 pm PDT

A very sad story

My heart goes out to Daniel's family.  Our family lost a child and her Dad due to the incompetent driving decisions of another 17 year old teenage girl.  My niece and her Dad were on his motorcycle on a Sunday afternoon, just a few miles from their home.  They were killed by a 17 year old girl without a valid driver's license who turned left in front of them and hit them with her mother's car. 

  

Her punishment for two counts of juvenile vehicular homicide?  driver's license suspension, community service, probation, and had to give 4 talks to teenagers about what she did. 

  

Her talks were how her life was changed and she did not feel ike going to dance class anymore! 

She never apologized - neither did her family.  Never did my sister hear an apology. 

  

Teenages do not always make the right choices.  But - neither do their parents.   

My sister lost her family - there are no other children.  She lost her highschool sweetheart and their "angelbaby" who was only 14 years old. 

  

These two "show" families will never be the same.  Unless they want to find peace within themselves, they will always be angry.   Anger only eats at you and hurts you more everyday.  Is this how you want to keep your son's memory alive?  Is that the way he lived?  Did he live angry? 

He may have been a controlling boyfriend - he might have hurt Brandi - you don't know what he did 24/7.  You don't know all of the facts.  You don't know if she feared for her life.  No one knows except Brandi.  And she will have to live with what she did for the rest of her life. 

  

She may have a legal right to a new trial.  Her lawyer sounded somewhat incompetent. 

She was 17 years old - why were her parents not included in the decisions regarding a plea bargain?  Where were they when this was being discussed?  Why was she tried in an adult court? 

  

In Ohio - if a juvenile does not have a police record, they cannot be tried in adult court.   

Why was this girl tried in the adult court?  Who made the decisions with her and the lawyer? 

  

Too many questions for a one hour show. 

  

I hope both of these families find some peace. 

  

  

 
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October 13, 2005, 3:19 pm PDT

Suggestion for closure for both families

I propose that Brandi take a lie detector test to prove that Daniels death was an accident and not done in a fit of rage. I unerstand that lie detector tests are not admissable in court but if she passes then that should do two things: 1. Give closure to both families 2. Make it possible for her to get out of prision on parole or give her the basis for an appeal.  If she fails the test. then she should serve the rest of her sentence 

 
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October 13, 2005, 3:19 pm PDT

Omygosh!

  

Ok .. wow.. that was really sad. I'm only 16 and i just feel horrible for both the families, but i do think i know it doesnt matter some 16 year old girl oppinion on this but i just wanted to say that i think that  brany isnt guilty and i was quite confused about her lawyer changing her plea she signed shouldnt he be getting in trouble for that :S  I also , well i just feel so terrible for what both familes are going throuh, both have lost  someone who was in there life daily and thats a hard change. I dont deal with death well at all so i know how upsetting it can be to lose someone you love.  but i also know that holding grudges and being angry and saying you wont ever forgive them is not fun to live with. I was angry for two years at my mother( to whom im very close to now ) and said i would never forgive her for leaving my family. but i did and it was the best thing i can to.. Dr. Phil was right when he said it wasnt for the family with the daughter that he wanted the family who lost the son to forgive ... its for them to move on with their lives and not carry that burden into every relationship and everything else in their future. you cant live being angry it only keeps hurting you and lets the person you are angry at control your life. i know that becuase there was ppl who i thought i hated and i just went on being a miserable little girl  but im passed it now and im trying to hard to to even ay the word hate, because its not the person you hate its the behaviours they choose and how they act that you hate, i beleive everyone is a good person just that some ppl choose not to be that person. I realy truely think that the family who lost the son needs to try and help them selves find a way to move on and learn to be happy. Im not saying to forget them just to make sure that you are running your own life not letting anyone else control how you feel on a day to day basis. .. well .. that was a blur of all the thoughts that are running through my head... sry for the jumbling .. and sorry if i have offended anyone in any way.. if thats possible to offend in that .  

  

JAMC 

 
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October 13, 2005, 3:20 pm PDT

You had a choice

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 What are you thinkig are you crazy. My Brother never mentioned in his life that he was going to kill her or her brother let alone him self. He had full scolarships to school and football. You really dont know what you are talking about  cause that is what her family said  All you guys go by is what brandi and her family says and that is bull. We didnt get a chance to tell the truth. IT WAS NOT SUICIDE 

 

 

 

                                                                   CRYSTAL (DANIELS SISTER) 

Crystal- You and your family had time and you made the choice NOT to 'tell YOUR truth'.  While watching the show, there were inconsistencies with the story you did tell.  It made it difficult to glean out the 'truth' as seen through your eyes.  Your rage overshadowed your 'truth'.  Composure would have shown a clearer light on the 'truth' as told by you.  If you were not able to hear what was being discussed, how are you so certain what the emotion of the conversation was.  You were not a party to the conversation and you do not even have hearsay since you said you could not hear the conversation.  This remains a confusing situation which is evident by the amount of postings.  The only thing that is constant is your rage. 

 
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October 13, 2005, 3:20 pm PDT

10/13 Cheerleader Scandal

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Jayleigh - you are completely clueless - Rapists and First degree murders get less time than she has served (which is currently less than 4 years).  Turn off the TV and read the news.  Those convicted of first degree murder get at best 25 to life.  And btw, anyone can scream abuse AFTER THE FACT!!  That is the most common plea of women and while it unfortunately happens often, it is also used quite often as an excuse.  I believe that she now thinks she is innocent, she has convinced herself of that and I believe that she was young and ignorant enough (and her parents were obviously ignorant too) to not engage more with her attorney to know what was going on.  BUT once she signed the documents and accepted the plea she has ADMITTED to voluntary manslaughter.  SHE ADMITTED TO IT!!!  Whether she did it because she and her parents were too ignorant to make a better decision or because wanted to get 4 months for taking a human life, she signed the papers and admitted to manslaughter.  To turn around and say that she is innocent is offensive.  There are people in prison who are innocent (albeit not many) but they opted to go to trial.  If she was innocent she SHOULD HAVE GO TO TRIAL AND LET THE JURY DECIDE!!  If they found her guilty but she never conceded she was then she might have a reasonable argument, at the very least as long as she didn't ever admit it she has a right to continue to claim her innocence.    Poor little girl behind bars.  It sucks that her family only gets to see her once/week.  If she were in the grave they could visit her gravesite every day if they wanted to.  And her brother using this as an excuse to commit crimes and the family using it as an excuse for Brandi's brother's behavior is SICK and PATHETIC!!
I agree with Jayleigh.  Both families are messed up and nothing is being served by having her in jail.  He will not be brought back no matter how long she stays there and there is blame on both sides.  It sounds like suicide to me also.  Sounds like 2 young people that were way over their heads with this relationship.  Let her go!
 
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October 13, 2005, 3:20 pm PDT

very sad

i think that each family is in pain i lost my sister around the same time that daniel  this happened to those families.only time will heal their pain.they should think if the situation was the way that brandi said with abuse she very well could have been in a frame of mind of not realizing her actions. the sister couldnt seem to get her story staright first she was in the house and didnt see anything the next she was outside.of course she would protect her brother .i also feel that daniel's mom is feeling guilty for not being a part of his life and had put him out at 12 if that is true.   they didnt seem to want to discuss the abuse that may have played a part..non of us know what tomorrow will bring,abuse starts at a young age as well as old and i believe that it may have been a part of daniels life and his parents.the mother did all the talking dad didnt say much that also makes me believe that she is not and was not the perfect mother that has lost a son.revenges is mine saidth the lord....      
 

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October 13, 2005, 3:20 pm PDT

10/13 Cheerleader Scandal

I truly believe that this was a horrific accident. I can say this because I'm also a 17 year old high school student. I've been in situations very similar as this. I can honestly say I know what she was going through. My boyfriend is also one year older than I am, we both love each other very much. There are times that he just loses it, and he also says things very similar as Daniel would say. He’s told me that I CANT leave him. It’s no longer my choice or decision. He would rather kill himself than be without me. I think that Brandi should be free. If me and my boyfriend ever got to that point, I wouldn’t know what to do either. It’s basically like choosing from two of the most important things in your life, two of the things that you love most. It’s either your family or your boyfriend and that’s too hard to choose but when you think of all the abuse you’ve been through with your boyfriend, you think twice. Maybe it’s best to protect your family. I’m not trying to say that killing your boyfriend is the right thing to do. And in Brandi’s case, I honestly don’t believe that she did it intentionally. This was sincerely a horrific accident, but when you are in that kind of situation, you don’t really know what to do, you aren’t really thinking straight. The only thing your thinking of is the fact that you know that the guy is hurting you, and that’s not even acceptable. But you’ll take it. Although there is no way in hell you’re going to let him hurt the other people that are most important to you. 

 
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October 13, 2005, 3:21 pm PDT

Innocent

It's pretty evident that there are distinct differences in the social standings of the opposing parties. Perhaps the parents of the deceased figured that (abusive) son would somehow elevate their social status if the kids had eventually married. I question  why the father of the deceased didn't have anything to say.  

 
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