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Topic : 03/16 Cheerleader Scandal

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(Original Air Date: 10/13/05) In a heartbeat, your entire life can change. No one knows this better than the families of Brandi and Daniel. Seventeen-year-old Brandi was a cheerleader, an excellent student and an all-American girl. She was in love with athletic 18-year old Daniel. Now he’s dead and she finds herself behind bars serving a 12-year sentence, all because of what happened in just a split second. Was it murder or simply a horrific accident? Hear members of both families describe how the tragedy unfolded, and the struggle to put together the pieces of their shattered lives. Plus, Dr. Phil visits Brandi in prison to ask some very hard questions. She has an emotional message for Daniel's mother -- and for Daniel. Talk about the show here.

 

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October 13, 2005, 8:29 am PDT

So Much Pain & Anger

So much pain and anger on both sides.  I really felt more for the lady who lost a son.  I can understand her bitterness, but I can't understand letting it control their lives.  Brandi getting a 12 year sentence was a slap in the face to this family, and so were some of the Brandi's parents comments to them.  Although Brandi Dad felt Daniel's family wanted revenge I couldn't see where they were offering anything more.  I don't mean to say I know their pain for I can't imagine the loss.  I am the mother of one son and he is my life, although he has graduated college and moved on, he is still the love of my life and I can't image God taking him from me, so I see how unbelievably difficult it would be to manage.  Brandi will be back out of prison when she is 29 years old, 29 years old.....in  the prime of her life, how is this justice?  From the facts presented I feel Brandi intentionally hit Daniel and should be punished, God says an Eye for an Eye.... but I also know to live with anything so painful the key it begin healing and that can't begin until you forgive from the heart and ask God to help you get through it.  I think both families need councelimg and prayer.  I wonder if they ever think of what they are teaching the children left at home?   

 
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October 13, 2005, 8:30 am PDT

Forgiveness

Dr. Phil: I just finished watching your show on the cheerleader accused of killing her boyfriend.  I feel for both families, but I think what you said at the end of the show hit it on the head.  Forgiveness is going to be a long road...and not an easy one.  But these families are going to have to find forgiveness if they are ever going to truly be able to move on and find peace.  They cannot continue to hold anger, revenge and malice in there hearts...if they do, they will never be able to find peace in their hearts.  I cannot imagine losing a child, especially in vain to these circumstances...but I don't think it will be in vain if they seek out what God is trying to show them.  God didn't make this happen, but he knew it was going to and allowed it to.  Nobody dies for no reason...something always comes out of it.  I think that God is trying to work in both of these families' lives; they need to seek out what he is showing them.  For Brandi's family, her brother is hurting no one but himself by failing school, getting into trouble, and feeling angry.  Nothing is going to change by acting that way except for his character.  It would show more for him if he lived everyday to prove what every thinks wrong...he needs to make his sister proud of him...she loves him very much.  He needs to go to school everyday, do his school work to the best of his ability, and stay out of trouble....that is what would make his sister proud.  Her mother needs to concentrate on her health and well being....having lots of anxiety and other medical problems won't help Brandi to get out of jail a day sooner...and if her lifestyle like this continues, she might not be around when Brandi does get out of jail...that is something for her to think about.  Brandi's father is trying to be so strong for everyone and I feel so bad for him.  No matter if your child did something right or wrong, a parent cannot help the decisions their child has made...and regardless, you will always love your child.  As far as Daniel's family, I will keep them in my prayers.  It is a very hard concept, but time heals all wounds...time and God.  Time will not bring him back...but nor will Brandi bring him back sitting in jail.  They have to seek out what God's plan is for them...what he is trying to show them.  By them holding onto revenge, they aren't honoring Daniel's life...I also believe that if Daniel was the type of boy they say he was, he wouldn't want his family to hold onto revenge nor would he be proud of that.  They need to find something positive so as to show his life wasn't in vain.  God brings us into the world just as quickly as he can take us out.  All of our days are numbered and we never know when our time is up...that is why we always need to seek Him out and His plan he has for us...He wants us to celebrate life.  My hope and prayer is that both families will each find their own peace and that in the end, something positive will come from this.  I am going to keep them in my prayers.
 
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October 13, 2005, 8:31 am PDT

No one knows what another person will/won't do...

Greetings Dr. Phil! My heart goes out to both families on today's show. I could see clearly that both families were making themselves miserable because they were projecting "their reality" into the situation by determing what their children would or would not ever do. I love my children dearly, think they are wonderful and have been told all of their lives how great my children are. However, I would not ever venture to say what they could or could not do. I do not even know what I would do given a particular situation. How can I say what another person was or or was not capable of?
 
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October 13, 2005, 8:32 am PDT

Could not be more wrong

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  I couldn't agree more. I can't believe that she would even be sentenced to 12 years.  It was an accident. How can Daniel's family actually believe that she went over to their house with the intention of killing Daniel.  If this was about Daniel beating Brandi to death this would not have even been on tv.
I realy dont see how you can say she is not guilty. I dont care if you are blind there is know way she did not know what she was doing when she hit him and he was throughn 50 feet that takes a lot of speed. I think the judge should have given here the chair why should a 40 year old man get it for shooting someone bracking into his house and she runs someone over and only get 12 years, her family should have a party and be happy.
 
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October 13, 2005, 8:32 am PDT

reality check...

I am shocked about the way that this was dealt with by Dr. Phil.  The show should have been called "We believe she is innocent" She is guilty of killing another human being, regardless of the fact of his abuse or not. She is guilty of ruining not only her own life but all the lives involved. My heart goes out to the family of Daniel, I feel they were sitting there feeling like they were being raked over the coals of hurt again having to hear what her family said to their faces. Brandis' family is so caught up in themselves they can't see what this has done to his family. Believe me, Brandi may be in prison but it is far from a punishment , she gets to have a job to keep her mind off what she has done , she get s to have a LIFE, she can even go to college and get a degree, she gets to talk to her family and have visits. I know for a fact that prison is more like adult day care then a punishment. Inmates have more rights than people walking the street. WHAT does Daniel get ?? Nothing!  no LIFE>What does his family get? They get to go on the Dr. Phil show and be upset more than they already are. 

Dr.Phil asked what good would it do to keep her in for any longer than she already has been....My question is If that is how you feel about the sentencing then why sentence any one for any crime they commit? The only real way to punish someone for what they have done is to give them a conscience. I doubt that Brandi or her family has one of those. Being locked up forces you to look at wha you have done, but it can't make you be really sorry for what you  have done, only really sorry you got caught. 

 
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October 13, 2005, 8:34 am PDT

10/13 Cheerleader Scandal

I just finished watching today's show, and as I sit here reading some of these remarks I feel compelled to share an experience that happened to me. I remember it just like it was yesterday. I was 17 years old and was at my boyfriend's house celebrating New Years Eve 98 with him when the evening took a nasty turn. Completely out of nowhere he started threatening me, himself, his pets, anything he could think of. It took me almost an hour to get the situation to the point that I could safely get in my car and leave. At least, that's what I thought. As I tried to back out, he reached into his truck, grabbed something I couldn't make out (it was getting close to midnight) and went through the motions of slitting his throat and falling to the ground. I freaked out, slammed on brakes, and got out to see what was going on. Well, it was all a hoax, and the next thing I know he's trying to grab a hold of me and keep me from leaving. I ran back to my car, jumped in, and floored it. I looked back into my rearview mirror and saw him chasing my car and subsequently throwing himself onto it in an attempt to stop me. I slammed on brakes, he fell off into the grass to the side of the road, and I hightailed it home to the safety of my family. While every bit of this was going on, his family later admitted they were sitting inside their trailer eavesdropping and watching, but not doing a thing to stop it.  

The point of me sharing this is to let people know that things aren't always what they seem, so let's not jump to conclusions. Whether Brandi is innocent or not is not for me to decide as I am not a judge/lawyer/jury member or anything of the sort. Please don't be so quick to condemn Brandi or Daniel for the things that happened that evening. What do we really know about love and life at 17? As awkward, confused teenagers things happen in our lives that in just a few short years we have absolutely no explanation for and, with an adult brain, can't possibly understand. Let's all just say a prayer for every single person involved in this that they may get some peace in their lives.  

 
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October 13, 2005, 8:34 am PDT

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I am Very Sad that people talk like the parents of Brandi shouldnt be hurt (All we have to go on is what each parent had to say) and if you listened today each parent blamed the other. I do feel for Danail's parents it is just horable to think that you could loose a son at any age but as a teenager this is very sad. I also feel for Brandi's parents because they to are hurting and lost a child, yes there daughter lived but it has torn there family apart her brother is being punished for something he had no control over. So we can all think or say shame on Brandi's parents for wanting her out of jail, and for speaking out, But any way you look at it they have just as much right as Danial's parents. Because honestly and I do me HONESTLY if the shoe was on the other foot and think before you answer if this was your child how would you want it handled. 

(I THINK I WOULD WANT MY CHILD TO DEFEND HIS OR HER SELF BUT I WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO HURT AND SPEAK OUT FOR MY CHILD) I do feel for both familys, But lets not take one or the other side lets pray that they both can over come there anger and start healing instead of the hate they both are feeling forone another. 

 
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October 13, 2005, 8:37 am PDT

10/13 Cheerleader Scandal

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After viewing the sad program today regarding the young woman that drove her car into her boyfriend, killing him, I'd like to offer a suggestion.  Maybe Dr. Phils show would consider contacting Dr. Henry Lee, one of Americas foremost forensic scientists, to review this case.  It's possible that  forensics can prove what happened the night this boy was killed.  Take the emotion out of it and let science discover the truth...and let the chips fall.   Either way, both families will have to decide when they will put this behind them and start living again. 

That's a good suggestion. A lot depends on how much evidence still exists. They may or may not have taken plaster casts of the tire tracks or even photos of the scene. The car Brandi was driving that night may be long gone by now. 

  

I get the feeling (although I may indeed be wrong) that all they've got is the initial police report. I am thinking that because Brandi eventually accepted a plea deal, they didn't spend a lot of time working the crime scene. But this is only a guess on my part. 

  

With that said, Dr. Lee is indeed amazing. I've read one of his books and I could hardly put it down.  

 
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October 13, 2005, 8:39 am PDT

It really doesn't matter if it was an accident. It is a matter of responsibility

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We are talking about TEENAGERS.  NO I don't think Brandi did it on purpose.  Absolutely not.  I think one thing that is double hard in this situation is that Daniel is a TWIN.  You have this one in a million or whatever of the statistic... that any place you go the world stops when twins walk in the room to admire and say Oh How cute....  There is no word to describe how TRAGIC this is.  But EVERYONE KNOWS that American Jails leave much to be desired and are not the proper place for Brandi.  IT WAS AN ACCIDENT.  Now Brandi does this accidentally, and the suffering is OVER for Daniel.  I am not saying get over it because I don't think you can.  But Brandi hurts Daniel and his family ACCIDENTALLY and Daniels family PURPOSEFULLY TORMENT Brandi by insisting she pay in a prison cell that is probably not even fit for animals.  Who has the real malice here?  I think you have to build the Biggest Memorial to Daniel that you possibly can.... BUT THE PAST CAN'T CHANGE.

It doesn't really matter if it was an accident or not. It is a matter of responsibility. This is why our justice system has different degrees of homocide. There is first and second and third degree murder, and voluntary and involuntary manslaughter. (There are probably other sub divisions but I am not a lawyer.) That's why decisions like if a murder was premeditated or not are taken into account. Brandi clearly acted irresponsibly and that is why she is being punished. 

  

I don't think that she got the keys planning on killing Daniel. It would be extremely hard to plan killing someone by running them over with a car. But even if he supposedly jumped in front of the car, (which is plausible if he wanted to commit suicide or was cocky enough to think that she would stop) she still ran him over and left. Even if it was negligence, it still was negligence and ended up as a homicide. Even if you kill someone through negligence you can still be convicted of manslaugher or murder. That is why there are tougher laws now for drunk drivers, I doubt that drunk drivers pick up the keys and say that they want to run someone over and destroy the lives of the family members. But they put themselves in a negligent position hence you can be convicted of murder if you drink and drive. It is completely irresponsible behavior. 

  

Even if it was an accident, why did she steal her mother's car (yes, I use the word steal) and then make up a lie afterwards? Even if it was an accident she had no right to be driving a car that wasn't hers. She also had no right to be driving if she was emotionally upset like she and her family claim. That is endangering the lives of others and herself. Just as much as being drunk would. When my dog died I road the bus for a week because I was so emotionally messed up that I knew that it would be IRRESPONSIBLE to endanger the lives of others and myself by driving. 

  

Yes she was only 17 and teens make bad decisions. But a car can be a lethal weapon and if the law says that you are old enough to drive (which is 16 in most states) you are old enough to take responsibility for your actions and to not put yourself into a position that could tragically affect other people's lives.  If we are going to use age as an excuse then teenagers should not be allowed to drive since they are too emotionally unstable. 

  

That is why I feel that Daniel should spend some time in prison and I feel like justice was served in her having a 12 year sentence (maybe she should have had more or less time depending on the circumstances but that is not for me to decide.) If she supposedly was innocent she should have taken it to trial. 

 
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October 13, 2005, 8:40 am PDT

It is hard to say...

I feel for both families... Do I think Brandi did it intentionally? NO.. I Think it was an accident.. I myself at the age of sixteen got involved with a guy with much of the same background as they described Daniel having.  I dated him for many years thinking he would change that the abuse and anger would change if he had some one to really love him.  I was much too wrong.. Every time I said I was going to brake up with him he would tell me he was going to kill himself if I ever left him and he would make it look like my fault, or if I dated someone else. who ever I dated he would kill us both.    Looking back now I should of known not to date him from the start we were from totally different backgrounds.  but as I am sure Brandi now knows hind sight is 20/20.  I hope Brandi gets out soon and she can start a new life and forgive herself for the mistakes she has made.  For Daniels family, I can't imagine what it is like to lose a child, or brother for that matter.  But it has to be in God's grand plan.  And though you can never forget you need to forgive, not for the sake of Brandi for the memory of Daniel and yourself.  When you can't forgive it haunts you everyday and it wears on you, it doesn't hurt the person it is directed at, it hurts you. 

How can anyone say exactly who is at fault here though the only ones who really know what happened are Brandi and Daniel.  I think Brandi took the plea bargain because she was young and felt guilty for his death.  I feel she did not do it on purpose, she was a good child who just got into a bad situation and now for the rest of her life she has to go to bed at night and deal with the fact that she killed someone she cared deeply for at one point.  Don't you think that is sentence enough.  I DO! 

 
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