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Topic : 03/16 Cheerleader Scandal

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Created on : Friday, October 07, 2005, 03:42:52 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/13/05) In a heartbeat, your entire life can change. No one knows this better than the families of Brandi and Daniel. Seventeen-year-old Brandi was a cheerleader, an excellent student and an all-American girl. She was in love with athletic 18-year old Daniel. Now he’s dead and she finds herself behind bars serving a 12-year sentence, all because of what happened in just a split second. Was it murder or simply a horrific accident? Hear members of both families describe how the tragedy unfolded, and the struggle to put together the pieces of their shattered lives. Plus, Dr. Phil visits Brandi in prison to ask some very hard questions. She has an emotional message for Daniel's mother -- and for Daniel. Talk about the show here.

 

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October 13, 2005, 3:53 pm PDT

Letting Go

I just watched the show and I feel so bad for both families. 

  

As to whither Brandi killed Daniel intentionally or not, I'm not sure.  Her story seems off.  If you had just hit someone with a car, I'd think you're first instinct would be to pullover and see what happened and if the person you hit is OK.   I don't believe she was in shock.   

  

But I think, if Brandi did kill him purposely, she wouldn't have done it without a reason.  Not to condone what she did, but Brandi doesn't seem like a girl that would run over her boyfriend for no reason.   I believe he may have been abusive to her.  

  

I also think that Daniel may have tried to kill himself when he stepped in front of her car.  I think he thought he was losing his girlfriend, and he had threatened suicide if she left him, and was going to bluff her to stop the car.  The only problem was, she called his bluff.  

  

I feel so bad for Daniel's family.  I can't imagine losing a child.  But I think they have to let their hatred and bitterness go, or it will eat away at their lives.  Though, I'm afraid they don't want it to.   

  

With any loss of a loved one, people tend to sanctify the dead and try to avenge their death.  To not would be a betrayal to their loved one.   I think they feel if they stop this crusade to punish Daniel's killer, they are letting him down.  They may feel this quilt from not preventing his death, and for not being a better family to him.   But either way, I don't think they can see the possibility that Daniel might have caused, partly at least, his own death.  It's a hard thing for someone to accept. 

  

I agree with Brandi's family when they say that no matter where she is, in prison or home, she will still be punished for his death.   And I'm not sure what Daniel's family want Brandi's punishment to be.  Her in jail won't bring back their son.  A life sentence won't replace what was taken.  Taking Brandi's life from her won't do anything but cause more pain.  Daniel's family said themselves they would never forgive her, whither she was in prison for 12 years or 100.    Unless Brandi proves herself to be a threat to others or herself, she does not need to spend the rest of her life behind bars for a mistake. 

  

I hope both families will let go of what happened and try to find peace with themselves and others.  I wonder what Daniel thinks when he looks down at his family now.  Does he think, "That's right, you keep being angry and fight for me no matter what it takes."  or does he think, "You all need to stop this and move on. "   

  

I think, in the end, Daniel did what he said he would.  He took his life, his girlfriend's, and both of the families lives away from them. 

 
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October 13, 2005, 3:53 pm PDT

Not Daniels Parents' fault

I empathize with both Daniel and Brandi's parents, but was SHOCKED at how aggressively Brandi's folks treated Daniel's folks.  It is not their fault that Brandi was sent to prison...she got there with her own actions.  Daniel's parents deserved to be treated with a lot more dignity and compassion than Brandi's parents gave them.  Talk about nerve!!!
 
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October 13, 2005, 3:53 pm PDT

What is Daniel's mother thinking?

I think that Daniel's mom is attacking Brandi for her not being in Daniels life for 5 years.  Daniel's death is very tragic & emotional.  I feel that his mother has guilt for not being there for him as she should & after his death she can't seem to deal with the pain & guilt so, she places her hurt & anger to Brandi.  Now all of a sudden she becomes "super mom".  Reality check lady, I realize you have pain, I could never fathom the loss a child however, you need to take responsibility for your own actions & as Dr. Phil said...."forgiveness is the key."  I think that forgiveness to Brandi is the first step to forgiving yourself for being a lousy mother.  Forgiving will help you cope from day to day, when you lay down to sleep @ night you will not have it on you conscience that you let the sun go down on your anger towards Brandi & her family.  No one but Brandi, Daniel, & God know the truth of that terrible night but, you cannot play God & pass judgment.  God will deal with this in time, let it go, go back to living, do you think that Daniel wants to see you & your family so distraut, he wants you all to be happy & to go on with your lives with him in memory. 

 
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October 13, 2005, 3:54 pm PDT

wow

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Daniels sister needs to learn how to stay calm. I know emotions were running on high. The one thing that got me was how she seemed to want Daniel's ex to pay hard core. She sat there and said that she was there and heard it and at times seen it. Then about 5 min later when they were talking about there family calling Daniels's ex that night over and over she then stated they did not because they were all inside watching a MOVIE all night. So which is? Did she she and hear it or was she inside watching T.V.?   I also want to know how a family can accept that there son was a abuser. Is it ok in their eys to abuse another human. Thats ok. Abuse leads to bad things. Each family needs to turn  to God and Thank him for what they still do have and maybe use this as a teaching lesson for other kids and speak on there childrens behalfs. I am sorry someones life was lost. I am more angry that these families can not be thankful for what they still half. You either live your life in the I feel sorry for myself stage or make something good out  of all of this.  The QUESTION for Daniel's family is  IS THIS WHAT DANILE WOULD WANT YOU TO BE DOING? WOULD HE WANT YOU TO BE THIS ANGRY THIS SAD THIS HATEFUL. IF HE WAS A ABUSER THEN YES BUT I THINK HE WOULD WANT YOU TO GO ON LIVING A FULL LIFE WITH AS MUCH HAPPINESS AS YOU COULD GET!  THE SAME THING GOES FOR DANIELS EX. EVEN THOUGH SHE SAT IN JAIL I I AM SURE SHE IS NOT WISHING HER FAMILY TO BE SAD, ANGRY HATEFUL. IF ASKED I AM SURE SHE WOULD WANT THEM TO MAKE THE BEST OF HER ABSENT. THIS IS FOR BOTH FAMILIES.  I WAS TOLD ONCE THIS. THE DEVIL HAS YOU RIGHT WHERE HE WANTS YOU AND UNTIL YOU SEE THIS THEN YOU WILL NEVER WIN AND THINGS WILL ALWAYS GO HIS WAY. LET GOD HELP YOU HEAL WITH THE HELP OF FAMILY, FREINDS AND PROFESSIONALS. None of us can know who is right or wrong here it is a sad case but the truth from all parties needs to be TOLD.   

your posting is close to mind.  god forgives us for all the craziness we do.  My eyes open once I become a christian in aug 2004 in the church of christ(romans16:16).  Right after I become a christian the devil started testing me.  I went through a lot that I almost feel from the truth.  I am now rejoicing.  The lord has helped me change.  I am liking the person I am being changed into.   

God forvies us and we need to forgive others.  There is a lot of people still in the dark and that is why we are suppose to be spreading the word and bringing people to the truth.   

 
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October 13, 2005, 3:54 pm PDT

cheerleder scandal

 Wow, to me it seems to me that she was somewhat sorry for what she did . Hit and run , and then lieing about what happend seems adveouse , of what she did . She murdered the 18year old !!! Personaly im supprised she didnt get more than 12 years !!!That also must be so hard for both familys .
 
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October 13, 2005, 3:54 pm PDT

Added comment

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What kind of stupid comment is that?
Besides, you don't even know why you watch the show remember...
 
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October 13, 2005, 3:55 pm PDT

what an amazing episode

I really think that both families need to stop this emotional tension and move on.  

  

Nothing will bring back their son Daniel. All this fighting is only making everyone more and more frustrated, angry and upset with one another. I don't know what it is like to loose someone this way but I can bet it would be horrible and emotional mentally and physically.  

  

No one deserves to die but it's a part of life and it seems like we will not know the truth because DANIEL is gone...  

  

How can we judge Brandy if we really were not there or in her shoes!?  

  

How do we know if Daniel's apparent temper scared her enough to want to kill him to save herself and her family OR it really was an accident and he did take his own life like he would treaten her to do so!?  

  

When you're in shock you do things without realizing it... and that could be why she left the scene!  

  

BUT will we ever know the whole truth!? 

  

 
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October 13, 2005, 3:55 pm PDT

I understand

I understand so much of the emotional roller coaster  this kind of situation can bring.  My son{ Ben }on his nineteenth birthday was at a party at college.  The host (Mike) of the party, brought out his new nine millimeter to show to Ben & Ben's roomate.  They passed the gun between the three of them, it was empty.  When the gun  got back to Ben, for reasons I'll never know, he pulled the trigger and shot Mike, in the head, causing his death.  This was two and a half years ago.  Charges were never filed against Ben,  although there was a grand jury.   Mike's family allowed us to attend the funeral but asked, us not to ever contact them.   We have never exchanged words.  I have spoken to their minister but that is all.   There is not one day that goes by that I don't think of "the other mother".  Her son is gone, there will never be a thing I can do to change it.  Ben also has lived with this. The day of his birth is our constant reminder of the second that changed too many lives.  I agree with Daniel's family that I can still hug my boy, and go on with life.  They other family can not.  It is part of the consequence of his action.  I have prayed everyday for Mike's family to find peace.  I have also prayed for peace to find me and my family.  The life lesson I have learned is forgiveness.  I can never ask Mike's family to forgive us if I can't forgive others.  This has truly changed me . 
 
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October 13, 2005, 3:56 pm PDT

10/13 Cheerleader Scandal

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Having to work with attorneys for over 15 years, we have prosecuted individuals and were successful. As the phrase goes, "innocent until proven guilty"  and "Justice has been served" and if you truly believe you can get away with murder, you are strongly mistaken!. Her stories along with the parents are inconsistent., which proves she is guilty.   I would have love to have seen this case go to  trial and see her tried as an adult and recieve life without parole. 
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October 13, 2005, 3:56 pm PDT

She still has a price to pay

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This is my cousin andi know she didnt do this on purpose. i know her better than that, she is a very loving and sweet girl  I think she has served enough time in jail and she need to come home to people who love and care about her. I miss her alot and i cant wait to see her. He wanted to die and he did it to himself cuz he always threatened he was going to kill himself if she left him and when she finially did he jumped in front of the car and killed himself....she didnt want to be with him for the longest time and she was scared of him.  He was mean to her and abused her all the time. NOT JUST PHYSICAL BUT MENTALLY!! Brandi deserves justice and will get it soon... 

Whether she is your cousin or not, accident or not, she still killed someone, and left the scene and tried to cover up the damage.  That is called "hit and run".   She took someone's life and left without calling 911 or looking for help and drove home and still didn't call the police.  She doesn't remember hitting him, but remember's him jumping out in front of the car??? Give me a break!
 
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