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Topic : 03/16 Cheerleader Scandal

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(Original Air Date: 10/13/05) In a heartbeat, your entire life can change. No one knows this better than the families of Brandi and Daniel. Seventeen-year-old Brandi was a cheerleader, an excellent student and an all-American girl. She was in love with athletic 18-year old Daniel. Now he’s dead and she finds herself behind bars serving a 12-year sentence, all because of what happened in just a split second. Was it murder or simply a horrific accident? Hear members of both families describe how the tragedy unfolded, and the struggle to put together the pieces of their shattered lives. Plus, Dr. Phil visits Brandi in prison to ask some very hard questions. She has an emotional message for Daniel's mother -- and for Daniel. Talk about the show here.

 

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October 13, 2005, 8:59 am PDT

I too know the loss of a son

     I also lost a son at the age of 17 in an accident.18 years ago. He and his girlfriend had a three week old baby and she was planning on giving him up for adoption.  Our son knew this ahead of time, but when the time actually came, he couldn't handle it and became ill.  She took over driving the car, without a permit, and hit another truck head on, killing our son and the other driver as well as injurying herself badly.  We could have reacted the same way Daniel's family did, but what would that prove?  It won't bring our son back and it would not change the fact that she will forever live with the thought that she killed two people, one she loved.  We had a memorial service for our son and we included his favorite hymn as well as hers. We remember that our son loved this girl and we felf we needed to honor his feelings as well as his memory. You need to think about how you would want your family to feel if you were the one to die.  Would you want them to cry and mourn your death forever?  How would your son want you do act?   

    I was given the chance to raise our grandson, but I felt it was better to wait untill his Mother was well enough to make the decision of being able to raise him herself first. Which she did choose to do. Our son's girlfriend went on to marry and has three other children as well as our grandson.  Her husband has adopted our grandson, with our blessing.  We are very close to all of them and we adopted her other children as our grandchildren also.  Our son has a older brother and sister as well as a younger sister. We now have nine grandchildren , including our grandson's siblings.   We are more blessed with them than we could imagine. 

     I don't think that these two families could ever be close as too much hatred and hurtful things have been said and done, but you need to forgive. As Dr. Phil said it is more for you than for Brandi and her family.  Hatred does nothing but eat you up inside and hurts your soul.  It changes who you are.  I don't think that Daniel would want this.  Also I think sometimes that hatred is misnamed when it is really "guilt".  Don't let this turn you into ugly, hurtful people.  Honor Daniel's memory with love and forgiveness. Let go and let God heal your heart. 

 
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October 13, 2005, 9:01 am PDT

You fell for it!!!

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  I couldn't agree more. I can't believe that she would even be sentenced to 12 years.  It was an accident. How can Daniel's family actually believe that she went over to their house with the intention of killing Daniel.  If this was about Daniel beating Brandi to death this would not have even been on tv.

You fell for the lie.  How cold Daniel's family believe this was not an accident?  Because Brandi made it crystal clear that it was not.  Her father said he was a light sleeper.  Obviously Brandi knew how to get around that.  She crept into her parents room, removed their keys, crept out a window, stole their car and then had the clarity of thought to shove a tree branch through the windshield after a 30 minute drive home!   

  

Her parents seemed caring.  Why didn't she wake her Dad up when Daniel made this alleged threat?  Why all the cloak and dagger? Could it be that Brandi is an accomplished liar that has her parents wrapped around her finger?  I have dealt with a lot of parents like Brandi's in my life.  Even in the face of overwhelming evidence of their child's guilt, they will blame everyone and everything but their child.   

  

Brandi killed Daniel.  If she had been innocent, I don't think her parents would have let her Plead out.  She needs to do her time.  Her parents need to apologize to Daniel's parents and then find a way to help their son before he becomes a danger to society.  And the idea that somehow, Brandi's death at the hands of Daniel in such an evil way would not be newsworthy is disgusting.  

 
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October 13, 2005, 9:04 am PDT

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IF YOU DON'T CONSIDER ANYTHING ELSE... CONSIDER THIS:   there are still two families remaining...  both are in shreds.. both continue to fall apart..... 

 

To Daniel and Brandi's familie's:   Please, Please.... for yourself... for daniel...  for brandi.... stop the pain, the anger.. or at least try to begin to move on...  the loss of someone so close to your heart is clear to me as it has happened to me... however different each situation is, the fact still remains that if my brother were murdered or my sister taken away from me i know that he/she would not want me, nor my family to continue to suffer for the rest of our lives... my anger, my stress, and my pain will never make him walk back through that front door and never change her life back to the way it was.. no matter how many things i say, or what i do... my brother's and my sister's sentence is permanent....  Neither Daniel nor Brandi would want you to continue the pain, the anger, and the hate... for yourself, or at least for Daniel and Brandi... please find peace within or above, or however you do it.. and unite the family that you do still have left... your cause now is to remember and glorify daniel's life, not death, and also to continue him through each one of you living... you still have a wonderful daughter who can experiece all.. don't bring death to the living trying to bring back the dead...  and for brandi's family...  i can understand u wanting to continue to fight for her, yes... but more importantly to her and should be to you... is for her to have a family to come back to...  everyone in the family can't blame this tragedy for the downfall of each of your lives.. someone must step up and realize that there is still a family involved and that you must move on from your strife, anger, paing, etc... your not moving on from brandi, but you are carrying through your family from these hard times as to make it easier on your family and brandi for the future....  ask her if it makes her time easier knowing that her family is shredding apart over this tragedy...  please both families like Dr. Phil said... find it within yourselves to create peace... he used the word forgiveness, and as he said it is not about forgiving the other person and being friendly with them... it is about accepting what has now tragically happened, and having the strength and love for your family to continue on in the honor of loved ones....  with love and respect you are in my thoughts.. 

 
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October 13, 2005, 9:11 am PDT

If he was my son........

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Your telling me that because he had problems, Brandy's story had to be true. What if her were ur son? What if you had to go through this? HOw dare you say that Brandy's story holds anyvtruth other then THAT SHES SORRY FOR HURTING HER FAMILY!!!! This girl needs to be thankful that she only got 12 years because if I had been the prosecution THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO! PLEA! BARGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!! 
I would have taught him to respect women. The incident was an accident. I would grieve the loss of my son, but I would not want a girl to sit in jail because she made a tragic mistake. It takes two to tango. They both had something to do with the incident, and unfortunately, Daniel died due to a horrible mistake. In Brandi's interview, she stated that her lawyer changed something on her plea before going into court. She agreed to a plea because she  felt that she should serve some time, because Daniel died from the accident, but she didn't think she deserved 12 years (and neither do I). You can tell that Brandi is remorseful, I hope she gets paroled. You have to put yourself in Brandi's shoes. She made a spit second decision, and it was a mistake. It could happened to any of us. I know I can personally think of  times where I had to make a split second decision, and the result could have been bad, but I was lucky enough to have a positive outcome. No one is perfect, so I think Brandi deserves a second chance.
 
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October 13, 2005, 9:17 am PDT

STILL A TRAGEDY

                                   I THINK THAT HE WANTED TO DIE AND THAT'S WHAT HE GOT,THE GIRL AND HER BROTHER GOT THE BAD END ON THE DEAL,NOT ONLY DO THEY HAVE THE MEMORY OF HER BOYFRIEND JUMPING OUT IN FRONT OF HER CAR,SHE HAS TO GO TO JAIL FOR THE JACKASS AS WELL,TALK ABOUT GETTING SCREWED,SHE HAS SUFFERED ENOUGH,KEEPING HER LOCKED UP IS A TRAGEDY.
 
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October 13, 2005, 9:18 am PDT

Cheerleader Scandal

I feel very sorry for the both parents and all children concerned.  I would hope that the mother of the deceased boy let go of her anger and forgive the cheerleader family as it seems to be a breading ground for nothing but hatred.  One of the things that cause illness is unforgiveness and they are all suffering in every area of their lives.  

  

 

  

We need to remember the cheerleader was a teenager that will not always make rational decisions in a crisis.  I do not believe that spending the rest of her days in jail will ever bring back a life.  Being convicted of such a crime is very sad because it will make it hard for her to be employed or have a normal life again. The remembered vision of what happened is forever imprinted on her brain.  I’m sure she will always have many what ifs!

  

 

  

People are very unforgiving and when she is released after doing her time will she have a clean slate?  No, her clean slate has a record that does not go away when she leaves after doing your time.

  

 

  

  

 

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October 13, 2005, 9:23 am PDT

The Plea Deal

Just a thought on the plea deal.  If the prosecution felt they had a strong enough case to go to trial, I highly doubt they would have ever offered or accepted a plea deal.  Many people accept pleas who may be innocent for a number of reasons...lawyers aren't cheap, and it can take months or years for a case to go to trial. 
 
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October 13, 2005, 9:27 am PDT

Are you kidding me?

To Brandi's family:  I don't know of Brandi's guilt or innocence but the fact she tried to cover up what she did by placing the tree limb through the window of the car tells me she knew she had done something wrong.  Her plea bargin didn't promise her a few months in jail.  She took her chances and lost and now must live with the consequences of that decision.  For you to continue to try and get her sentence reduced is driving all of you crazy.  Brandi seems to be the only rational one in the entire family even though I think she (and all of you) are in denial about the seriousness of what she did.  Come to grips with that and work to heal yourselves.   

To Daniel's family:  The bitterness you harbor will be the downfall of your family.  Brandi is serving the time set up by the court and there's nothing you can do about it so why keep beating yourself up about it with your anger.  Brandi and Daniel were both guilty for what happened that night and unfortunately Daniel and your family are the biggest losers.  Daniel's mom is a real drama queen and the apple hasn't fallen far from the tree with the daughter. 

To All of You:  What's done is done.  Stop your finger pointing and accusing the other one of being wrong and live with the circumstances of what happened because of your children's actions that unfortunate night  - there's guilt on both sides from what they did.  The denials in Brandi's family and the demands for revenge in Daniel's family is tearing all of you apart.  The court's have spoken and it appears to me that justice has been served - whether you agree or not.  And what, pray tell, does being a cheerleader have to do with any of it?       

 
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October 13, 2005, 9:28 am PDT

No Answers....Only Views

Today's show left many questions unanswered.  Unfortunately, questions about what really happened that night can only be answered in small fragments that are tainted with each parties biases, beliefs, and desires.  These families will never learn the whole truth because they are only willing to accept the partial truths that fit into what they want to hear and what they want to believe.  Both sides immediately dismiss anything that doesn't fit their predetermined judgment. 

  

So where do they go from here.  Frist, Brandi's family needs to come to the realization that Brandi is not the victim here.  Brandi made many mistakes that evening from sneaking out of the house with the car keys, to leaving the scene of an accident, to fabircating a story when she got home.  She also made a huge mistake in court by agreeing to a plea agreement with a last minute change that she did not understand. 

  

As to the last mistake, she may have some recourse.  The action by her attorney may allow the possibility to appeal her sentence and her plea.  It definitely sounds as though her attorney's actions provide grounds for a malpractice suit.  Instead of Brandi's family wasting their energies in blaming society, they should look at their legal options to correct the situation as best as possible. 

  

Daniel's family has no options to correct their loss.  They do, however, have every option as to how they view and deal with their lost.  I have never lost a child, so I won't pretend that I could understand Daniel's family's pain.  I can not imagine any loss in life greater than that of a parent losing a child. 

  

Although I have never lost a child, I have witnessed many parents that have.  In fact, this evening I will be attending a funeral for a 14 year old friend of my children who tradictally decided to take his own life with a gun in his home the other night.  His parents too will live the rest of their lives with so many questions unanswered. 

  

But the story I would like to share with Daniel's family is one that I experienced when I was a little older than Daniel.  My 21 year old childhood friend was killed in a car accident when a tie-rod broke causing the car he was riding in to swear off the road and roll several times down an embankment.  His parents were divorced.  Both of his parents loved him very much but both handled his death very differently. 

  

His father acted very much like Daniel's family.  He dwelled on what he lost.  He dwelled on the fact that he was unable to watch his son graduate from college, attend his son's wedding, and hold his son's children.  My friend's mother, though equally hurt by the lost, focused instead on the gift that she had for the last 21 years.  She appreciated having the opportunity to share her love with her son while he was alive.  She appreciated all that he had given her and refused to dwell on what was taken away. 

  

Yes, Daniel's family will not be able to see Daniel graduate high school, attend his wedding, or hold his children.  But they would also not be able to do those things if he had never been born.  I think Lorretta Swift's character in Mash (Margarette Houlihan) said it best when she said, "You have so much to miss because you were given so much to begin with".   

 
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October 13, 2005, 9:29 am PDT

So wrong!!!

This goes to everyone who has said anything bad about Daniel INCLUDING JAYLEIGH! Daniel was my step brother and he WAS murdered!!!!! That low life little girl knew what she was doing when she made the choice to drive over to his house and kill him! Our family will always be grieving for what she has done to all of us! So how dare you say it was his fault and he committed suicide!!!! THATS NOT TRUE!!!!! So shame on all of you who choose to disrespect a man who died!!!
 
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