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Created on : Friday, October 07, 2005, 03:42:52 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/13/05) In a heartbeat, your entire life can change. No one knows this better than the families of Brandi and Daniel. Seventeen-year-old Brandi was a cheerleader, an excellent student and an all-American girl. She was in love with athletic 18-year old Daniel. Now he’s dead and she finds herself behind bars serving a 12-year sentence, all because of what happened in just a split second. Was it murder or simply a horrific accident? Hear members of both families describe how the tragedy unfolded, and the struggle to put together the pieces of their shattered lives. Plus, Dr. Phil visits Brandi in prison to ask some very hard questions. She has an emotional message for Daniel's mother -- and for Daniel. Talk about the show here.

 

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October 21, 2005, 6:49 am PDT

10/13 Cheerleader Scandal

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Welcome back.   Stephy is/was Daniel's "other" girlfriend.  She's vowed not to post anymore and to get away from the message board - but she seems to be someone who can handle herself so if she DOES answer you - accept HER response.   I'm just trying to answer your question, OK? 

  

Steph was at the trailer that night, and several days previous, and was the reason that Daniel broke up with Brandi.  She states she is NOT the "crackhead" witness - that was somebody else.  News articles verify that Stephy was there that night and was the sole witness to what happened.  She wasn't mentioned by name on Dr. Phil.  And no, she doesn't have all the details and is very honest about that, and she was willing to share the details she had on the board until people starting making comments like maybe SHE pushed Daniel in front of Brandi's car.   She's told me pretty much everything - is there anything in particular you're curious about that I might be able to fill you in on? 

I must have missed the part about him having a new GF.  I just think that what happened was a horrible thing and I just can't see Brandi running him down in cold blood.  We obviously couldn't hear Daniel's side of the story so I can't say whether he was suicidal or not.  I just think it was a freak accident and Brandi was scared to death.  I was really appalled by the way Daniel's mom and sister acted on tv.  I don't think that Daniel would've wanted them to feel that way or act that way.  Then coming on the board here, you read all these posts from idiots who take stuff out of context and run with it.  There were people saying she was going this fast and she did this and he did that and they acted like they were there when they only watched the show and heard what they wanted to hear.  I hate it when people act like they know everything and know what people were thinking.  I'm sure some of the idiots saying she pushed Daniel in front of the car were people who only watched the show and have no connection whatsoever.  I didn't realize that Steph was there that night, I just thought she was another person acting like God.  So, I apologize if I was rude to her.  I just hope all of them can find peace.....it's the only thing left to do. 
 
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October 21, 2005, 7:14 am PDT

Catching Up

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I must have missed the part about him having a new GF.  I just think that what happened was a horrible thing and I just can't see Brandi running him down in cold blood.  We obviously couldn't hear Daniel's side of the story so I can't say whether he was suicidal or not.  I just think it was a freak accident and Brandi was scared to death.  I was really appalled by the way Daniel's mom and sister acted on tv.  I don't think that Daniel would've wanted them to feel that way or act that way.  Then coming on the board here, you read all these posts from idiots who take stuff out of context and run with it.  There were people saying she was going this fast and she did this and he did that and they acted like they were there when they only watched the show and heard what they wanted to hear.  I hate it when people act like they know everything and know what people were thinking.  I'm sure some of the idiots saying she pushed Daniel in front of the car were people who only watched the show and have no connection whatsoever.  I didn't realize that Steph was there that night, I just thought she was another person acting like God.  So, I apologize if I was rude to her.  I just hope all of them can find peace.....it's the only thing left to do. 

If you are interested in Daniel's side of the story, Stephanie's been trying to get it out there.  I suggest you review all of her postings:  stephyg 

 
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October 21, 2005, 8:51 am PDT

Family Dynamic

I just saw this show last night (10/20) while at my sister's house. I was riveted. I work with incarcerated women and with juvenile delinquents who have narrowly escaped the prison system by being placed in a drug/alcohol awareness program. What captured my interest most was the situation with Josh, who is dealing with the fallout of the situation as a child who was once an "A" student and now is sidelined by this tragedy. Dr. Phil addressed this by pointing out that Josh and Brandi's parents are so crippled by events that they are losing Josh. Everything is about Brandi. 

  

One of my closest friends has written a book called The Prodigal Brother. She grew up in a family where everything revolved around her drug-abusing brother. Her parents were consumed with taking care of him and they unintentionally ignored her needs because they believed she was strong enough to take care of herself. I'm not implying this is the same situation; however, my friend's anger at her parents for focusing their entire lives on her brother's crises is so pertinent. The book is a reference to the story in the Bible of the prodigal son. There were two sons in that story. The older son had no party thrown for him for being a dutiful kid. She calls that older son the prodigal brother. He's not the prodigal son, but he has unforgiveness that must be addressed. Both sons have to find a path to forgiveness. 

  

And that's what struck me about Josh. He is the "good" kid affected by this horrific tragedy. Daniel's sister is suffering, too. Who is looking out for them? Like my friend's parents, they glance over and they say, "Oh my, our other child is suffering," but they can't bring themselves to get up and take care of him. My friend (Sue Thompson) had to forgive her mom and dad for their inability to refocus. That unforgiveness nearly whipped her. I always appreciate that Dr. Phil urges parents to take a look at those "lost" children. Brandi's in jail, Daniel's gone, and there are children here who need their parents. 

 
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October 21, 2005, 9:04 am PDT

10/13 Cheerleader Scandal

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Therefore you're saying, since a 2000 Toyota "can not have THE LIGHTS OUT AND ENGINE REVVING",  it CAN NOT be driven in daytime? Has anyone told Toyota of that manufacturing defect?

no.  i think everyone knows she meant that on a toyota corolla year 2000 and above, the lights automatically come on when the car is started (as many newer cars are made this same way for safety purposes). 

  

but, does anyone know if you can turn them off? 

 
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October 21, 2005, 9:25 am PDT

finally someone with some sense

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I am currently watching today's show and I am so angry.  If Brandi was innocent, then why take a plea bargain?  She agreed to the plea bargain so now she has to live with the choice she made.  I feel for her family, but we all live with the choices we make...even the "accidents" we cause.  We live in Italy and their law states that if you are at fault in an accident resulting in death due to negligence, you may be sentenced to  12 years in prison and large fines.  Anything that empares your ability to react to your surroundings, is no different than drunk driving.  For her to think that she would serve only 120 days for a HIT AND RUN was ludicrous.  Her HIT AND RUN was no accident.  That may be why her plea bargain was for VOLUNTARY MANSLAUGHTER.  Live and learn...

I agree totally with your comments.  I can't believe why after watching that show, many of you people out there are still so blinded.  I've read over half of the comments here and I am so flabergasted over how little people value life.  Yes this child was young, but she was well aware of her actions and should be punished accordingly.  This is why we are so engrossed with so much chaos in our society - people just think they can do whatever and get away with it, which they do.  I think her punishment was a slap on the wrist.  Come on people, wake up and smell the coffee. 

 
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October 21, 2005, 10:26 am PDT

The skate

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no it wasnt she through it out up the street  at johns house  which its what she has said she was going to do this whole time she was not stoping at daniels dads house she was driving past because that was the only way she knew to go

OK Mrs. Drumheller. If your family went on the show to enlighten the world on why Brandi's version of what happened is "the truth" here's an opportunity for you.  

  

Your husband said on the show that "She took off up the street, crying so hard she couldn't even drive. She stopped. She looked down and saw the skate. She drove down the street to drop the skate off."  

  

You said in a 10/14 post on this board "the next police report states that she was doing between 35 and 40, she was going that speed because what was left in the car she was taking to someone elses house, she had no intention of stopping there."  

  

You posted on 10/20, in answering whether the skate was found in your car after the accident, "no it wasnt she through it out up the street at johns house which its what she has said she was going to do this whole time she was not stoping at daniels dads house she was driving past because that was the only way she knew to go"  

  

So help me out. I've been looking at a map of the trailer park.  Is Brandi saying she stopped twice that night? Once eastbound along Dogwood after she pulled away from Daniel’s somewhere in the 700 ft or so stretch of street between Daniel’s trailer and where "John" lived near the cutoff road that turns left?  Is that when she discovered the skate?  Did she throw it in John’s yard as she circled the block after droppng off Daniel's stuff?  Did she then continue to circle the block and stop again on "the hill"?  Is "the hill" near the corner of Chandler Rd. and Dogwood Street, west up the street from Daniel's trailer?  The map seems to indicate that if she started out eastbound on Dogwood when she dropped off Daniel's stuff the only way she could have gotten there was from Chandler Road. If she came into the trailer park off Chandler Road why, after circling the block and tossing the skate after leaving Daniel's and coming again to Chandler Road, would she have had to go past Daniel’s house again to get home?  Couldn’t she leave the same way she came?   

  

If the reason she had to go past his house after she left the first time was in order to drop off the skate at John’s, wouldn’t she have had to stop and drop the skate off AFTER she had hit Daniel for her version to work? 

  

Stephanie’s version, by the way, is that Brandi dropped both skates off with the other stuff and that the only item Daniel didn’t get back was a necklace.  Stephanie says police later found Daniel's necklace on the hill where Brandi had been parked prior to hitting him.  

  

I certainly don't mean by this post to browbeat you or imply that you are lying about anything.  I'm just offering you a chance to answer some additional questions, as Dr. Phil did for Brandi,  that the prosecutor would have asked had this matter gone to trial. 

 
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October 21, 2005, 10:42 am PDT

Headlight Issue

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no.  i think everyone knows she meant that on a toyota corolla year 2000 and above, the lights automatically come on when the car is started (as many newer cars are made this same way for safety purposes). 

  

but, does anyone know if you can turn them off? 

Oh man, I typed a response once and seem to have lost it.  Grr.  I'll try again - sorry if it posts twice. 

  

Brandi's mom brought up this issue to refute whether reports that Brandi sat in her car down the street wtih the lights out revving the engine just before hitting Daniel.  I asked Stephanie, who was a witness that night to the event, about it and she replied with the following post: 

  

"That was one point Brandi made to the police which is in the police report......they investigated it and as explained to me the lights have 3 setting on the 2000 toyota corolla   

1. the yellow lights...forgot the name of them   

2. the headlights  

3. day and night settings...which you can leave it on so that the lights will come on by sensor " 

  

I also asked my husband, a mechanic, without explaining why I wanted to know and he said that most cars with automatic headlights have an override switch which would let you turn them off.  But in fairness to Brandi's mom, who clearly doesn't believe it could be done (and it was her car - so you'd think she would know!) I'm still checking.  I've found sites by Corolla owners who go under the hood and disconnect the automatic feature there, but theres no way to know if Brandi's family would have done that on a very new car in 2000 when this occurred.  I myself am calling the issue a draw.   

 
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October 21, 2005, 10:47 am PDT

10/13 Cheerleader Scandal

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H i, Ok now i totally feel where Daniels family is coming from about missing their son but to see his mother so angry and hateful toward Brandi's whole family really upset me because it just seemed to me that she was just trying to pin her sons actions on someone else.Daniel not only physically abused Brandi but he also verbally abused her and a child does not just act like that unless they were treated like that or have seen someone being treated like that,and for Daniels Mom to say Brandi's Mom is a "piss poor excuse for a mother" was just rediculous and uncalled for not to mention very childish.I really think Daniels family needs to take a step back and take a look at the big picture and realize that his actions as a teenager were a reflection of their parenting. i truly believe Brandi never meant to hurt Daniel but you cant take back what happened,so i really dont see the point of her having to spend another eight years in prison.In conclusion i really hope that both families can get on with their lives and just remember all the good times instead of greiving forever.They will always have Daniel in their hearts.

I agree 100%........ 

 
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October 21, 2005, 10:58 am PDT

Very, Very Sad.

When I seen the show, I was very saddened by the whole situation. I believe that at 17 you are close enough to an adult to know what is right from what is wrong. And I'm not so sure that I believed Brandi, and her story. I believe that justice was served, and that she should have to serve her time in prision, as she is doing. I feel for her family, as well as Daniel's family, and it was very hard to see Daniel's mom get upset, and leave the set. I can't say that I blame her. She is right in the sense, that she no longer has her son, but they do have their daughter. It's so very very sad to see both families hurting, and severely damaged from what happened. And I really hope that coming on the show will help them for the good. I don't feel that Brandi's mom, and family had any right saying the things they said to Daniel's Mother. Not That it was Disrespectful, but She has a right to feel the way that she is feeling, and she has t he right, to say that she feels Brandi, got let off easy. Her son is Dead after all!
 
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October 21, 2005, 10:59 am PDT

Legal System Issues

My heart goes out to both families.  I believe both families could use support.  

  

I do believe Brandi made bad choices and she is paying for them and in a sense will always live with the consequences. I do not believe she chose to be where she is and in a sense, I feel she was railroaded by our legal system she because she could not afford to partipate fully/  I feel there are people who have committed more voilent crimes who are walking the streets because they have money to afford the "best legal guideance" and can afford to put on a "better show" for either a judge or jury.   I do not believe enough was shown in the show to make a judgement, however, a full trial would reveal details and it could be judged.  It appears she was pushed into admitting something because the attorney felt unsure or unable to defend her. 

  

Daniel's family is obviously unhappy with the out come too! 

  

It's unfortunate, both sides didn't have a day in court. 

  

Unfortunately, nothing will bring back Daniel.  I believe his legacy could be one of forgiveness and guidance to others. 

  

My love and prayers are with all involved. 

  

  

 
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