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Created on : Friday, October 07, 2005, 03:42:52 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/13/05) In a heartbeat, your entire life can change. No one knows this better than the families of Brandi and Daniel. Seventeen-year-old Brandi was a cheerleader, an excellent student and an all-American girl. She was in love with athletic 18-year old Daniel. Now he’s dead and she finds herself behind bars serving a 12-year sentence, all because of what happened in just a split second. Was it murder or simply a horrific accident? Hear members of both families describe how the tragedy unfolded, and the struggle to put together the pieces of their shattered lives. Plus, Dr. Phil visits Brandi in prison to ask some very hard questions. She has an emotional message for Daniel's mother -- and for Daniel. Talk about the show here.

 

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March 16, 2006, 4:42 pm PST

03/16 Cheerleader Scandal

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THANK YOU!!!  I am so upset by everyone being on Brandi's side!  You said exactly what I want to say but I just am so upset I can't.

 I agree.  Watching Brandy through the tears when asked direct questions about that night she could not answer without glancing down.  Her body language sceamed guilt.  I think  she is sorry on different levels.  I do see being in prison  the biggest motivation for her tears and remorse,being seperated from her family, causing her family grief and pain, missing out on her youthful days  seemed to take second place and last possibly least remorse for the young man she killed.  

 I don't think she will truly understand the  gravity of her deeds untill she gets honest with herself. 

That being said I think she made a split  decision as an emotional teenager caught in a love drama.  Seventeen is a child, Seventeen is the time in our lives we all think we can handle our own lives and have all the answers, and the one we love now will be the one we love for all time everything is bigger and more devastating at seventeen. Don't  mistake me I am not saying that  

because your 17 you can committ murder. I am saying that 17 is an unstable time in a persons life. How many of people  have made irreversible decisions in our teens  that followed us through life.  

 Both families appeard to have alot of drama and that carried over to the kids. The fact that Brandis family was so venimouse towards Davids and Davids was so venimouse toward Brandi's 

give us all a glimpse of the ways these families conduct life in general. I don't belive Brandi is  a deviant person, nor is she a child molester,drug pusher,rapist,or cold blooded killer . She is a girl who got caught up in alot of drama and she killed another human in a  crime of seveteen year old passion.  You may say murder is murder but I have to say  so is a person who kills to protect their home the same as one who breaks into it to kill. It's the heart of the situtation. As misguided and tragic as this situation is I don't believ she has a deviant, heart.   She has served  time  and should be released to try and pull these peices of her life together. She will never truly stop doing time will she? Every job she has,every relationship she has, and when she does have children she will have to explain this to them  one day. She will relive this everyday and night  of her life.  There are more prisons than the ones with walls.  

  

 
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March 16, 2006, 4:42 pm PST

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I believe that she is definitely guilty. If she was so afraid of him why did she go all the way over to his house after stealing her parents car? After hitting him, she could drive the 30 minutes home even though she was in shock and didn't know what she had hit? Please!!! Then she had the presence of mind to try to cover up what she had done by placing a tree branch in the window? If she didn't remember what she had done why did she need to try to make it look like someone else had done something to the car? And her family also never once apoligized to his family. I feel sorry for the son, as his parents could care less about getting him any help right now!!! They need to focus on helping him through this or he will end up in trouble also.

other post tell a story we didn't hear on the show 

  

 
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March 16, 2006, 4:43 pm PST

hard to forgive

That is very sad what happened to both of the families. One is dealing with the lost of Daniel. I think Daniel's mother needs to work on her own forgiveness and guilt, it is hard for her to forgive others, because she doesn't know where to start. It is unfortunable but Daniel has problems in controling and rebelling, that's why his mother sent him to leave with his father.  On the another hand her family feels guilty too, because if she was in a bad relationship why didn't they help her, call the police on him, COMMUNICATION, UNDERSTANDING, AND LOVE that's what families need to use to deal with problems and fix problems before incidents. The Incident is eating both families down, Daniel's family has more hate then grief and they want more revenge then peace. They need to do something to honor Daniel life. 

 
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March 16, 2006, 4:45 pm PST

Unforgiveness not acceptable

When I was 10 years old, my grandfather was sent to prison for "Manslaughter" even though all the evidence pointed to self-defense.  He served 4 years of a 12 year sentence, during which time the woman he was married to - and who had hired his attorney - sold a large tract of timbered property that he owned, divorced him, and kept the proceeds from the land.  Because he was incarcerated, there was nothing he could do about it.  It was difficult for the entire family to not be bitter about the circumstances, but, because are all Christians and believe in unconditional forgiveness, we have forgiven everyone involved.  

When our oldest son was 6 years old, he ran out in front of a speeding car and was killed - instantly.  No charges were filed against the man who hit him - in a construction zone.  However, through an accumulation of accidents in construction zones, in Oregon, the laws are now much stronger than they were 30 years ago.  At first, I experienced rage: at the man who hit him, at God, at the circumstances which put my son in that construction zone.  However, I quickly realized that I was the only one my anger was hurting.  My husband, our other son, our daughter, and I forgave everyone involved many years ago.  We don't know why these things happen, but we know that "all things work together for good for those who love the Lord..."  And we know that many, many good things have happened in our lives because of our reactions to our loss. 

Daniel's family - especially his mother and his sister - need to forgive and forget.  They needn't forget Daniel, but they need to forget everything surrounding the accident.  Until they can experience the healing power of forgiveness - even if they never verbally express it to Brandi and her family - they will continue to grow more and more bitter and angry.  Those emotions are certainly not conducive to good relationships with anyone.  Bitterness and anger only make people UGLY! 

I am praying for Brandi and her parents that she will be able to get a new trial, or, at least be released on parole.  It looks to me like her attorney just wanted a quick end to the case and pushed her to accept what HE wanted.  How can a 17 year old fully understand all the consequences of her actions?!?  And why did they send her to prison as though she were an adult?  If she had been sentenced as a teenager, shouldn't she have been out by now? 

 
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March 16, 2006, 4:45 pm PST

What? Accident? Guess again

We don't know all the facts but all that I can gather from today's show is sympathy for Daniels family. Another question that came into my mind was how do we know she was abused? Because she said so? I never heard her parents say they ever saw their daughter with bruises or that they were worried for her safety. I think they were trying to work the system by trying to get her a low sentence as possible. They should have just went to trial. I also think that she was deeply into Daniel and they were in a love hate relationship. Daniel wanted to get her out of his life and she was pissed off. She was raging and she hit him with her parents car. She didn't even stop to see if he was okay, she drove home and lied about the damage to the car. I think the lies gave her away. Why lie? She did take the steps to try and plant evidence to make it look like a TREE attacked her car. She used a weapon to kill, her weapon was a car. I can't believe how many people believe this was an accident.    

 
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March 16, 2006, 4:45 pm PST

Daniel's Mom

Daniel's Mom (and sister) acted like he was an innocent bystander in all of this.  He did play a role even if they do not want to acknowledge it.  I think it was a tragic accident. I do not think Brandi left her house with the intent to actually kill Daniel.  Things got out of hand and someone ended up dead.  Daniel's family wants revenge and they will waste their lives feeling entitled to getting it.  What value does this serve.  They are getting something emotionally out of playing the victim's role.  They are hanging on to this for dear life as evidenced by their way over the top emotional response three years after the event.  They need counseling to assist them in dealing with this event so they can get on with the business of living their lives.
 
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March 16, 2006, 4:49 pm PST

03/16 Cheerleader Scandal

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First I want to tell u how sorry I am for u and your family.  I too have identical twin boys and the thought of one of them gone permanently makes my heart break for u and especially your son, Daniel's twin.  The bond between twins is something special. 

  

Absolutely no one has a clue what u are going thru.  No one here needs to make judgements about u or your family, your background, for it truly did not have anything to do with what happened that night.  What happened that night was between Daniel and Brandi, and it ended tragically. 

  

Please know that not everyone here feels negatively towards u.  God watch over u and your family 

In reference to Daniel's mother saying she taught her kids respect-that's a total joke. If you have
respect for a person you would not be abusive to them. Right here just shows how this mother is
trying to shift the blame from herself and her son to others. Sure the pictures of his death would
be horrifying and something no mother would want or should have to experience but unfortunately
her son brought it on himself.  She cannot pin her grief, her anger on an innocent person. That is
not true justice and that is why she has not been able to heal after 3 or more years.  This girl
never really received a fair trial. She took a plea bargain which was not in her best interests. She
would have probably been alot better to have gone before a judge and jury right to the end.
 
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March 16, 2006, 4:50 pm PST

I agree with Jayleigh!

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Dr. Phil said that the young man had threatened to "commit suicide" if she left him. He threatened to kill her and her younger brother. After fighting, she went to leave him and he stepped out in front of her car. Sounds like SUICIDE to me. She has served more time than child rapists and first-degree murderers. Let her go home. 

If the kid said that he would kill himself before he died then she should be let go!!!  I know it's tough to lose a child, but the child stepped in front of a moving vehicle.  That's not right! 

 
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March 16, 2006, 4:52 pm PST

Right or Wrong

I use to be a corrections officer and believe me every inmate is innocent or so they say. I am not one to say guilty or not. There have been many times when I have made bad choices as a child and she just made a bad choice. If she had stayed at the scene innocence would be more believable. I do also feel that her family and the victims family need to get help before they all die of stressed induced heart attacks. Life must always go on Brandi can't turn back time and neither can anyone else. What is done is done the sentence was not as harsh as it could have been and she will be 30 when she gets out still time to enjoy part of her life where as the victim will not ever have a chance.
 
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March 16, 2006, 4:55 pm PST

I understand your pain

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First I want to tell u how sorry I am for u and your family.  I too have identical twin boys and the thought of one of them gone permanently makes my heart break for u and especially your son, Daniel's twin.  The bond between twins is something special. 

  

Absolutely no one has a clue what u are going thru.  No one here needs to make judgements about u or your family, your background, for it truly did not have anything to do with what happened that night.  What happened that night was between Daniel and Brandi, and it ended tragically. 

  

Please know that not everyone here feels negatively towards u.  God watch over u and your family 

 I too watched the show today, and I must say I can understand your pain. My 1st born son was brutaly murdered in 2001. The person responsible has never been convicted of this horrendous crime. Although he is locked up, it is not for the murder of my son. The  D.A told me they didn't have enough evidence to convict him, although the person that was with him has testified and is also locked up. So I am still looking for closure for  my son's murder. Not to minimize your pain, but at least the person responsible is doing time for her crime. Whatever the circumstances were surrounding this incident, at least you should find peace in knowing this girl is paying, if there can ever be such a thing.  I would like to let you know that God is still in control of everything, if you will put your trust in him, I guarantee He will make this load much easier for you & you family to bear. We will never see our children again on this side, but I look forward to seeing Him in that great bye & bye. He will always be with me in spirit. May God bless you & your family.
 
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