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Topic : 03/16 Cheerleader Scandal

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Created on : Friday, October 07, 2005, 03:42:52 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/13/05) In a heartbeat, your entire life can change. No one knows this better than the families of Brandi and Daniel. Seventeen-year-old Brandi was a cheerleader, an excellent student and an all-American girl. She was in love with athletic 18-year old Daniel. Now he’s dead and she finds herself behind bars serving a 12-year sentence, all because of what happened in just a split second. Was it murder or simply a horrific accident? Hear members of both families describe how the tragedy unfolded, and the struggle to put together the pieces of their shattered lives. Plus, Dr. Phil visits Brandi in prison to ask some very hard questions. She has an emotional message for Daniel's mother -- and for Daniel. Talk about the show here.

 

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March 17, 2006, 12:53 pm PST

I agree-good points!

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      i don't believe daniel stepped out in front of the car. . not only that, i don't believe he would say he would kill her brother--i believe that was something (along with the thought of her putting a tree stump in the windshield to make up a story) she said to get more support in her story. . .if daniel stated he'd kill himself, why would he say something about killing her brother. . .and the most important point is the forensics--how this young man was thrown so many feet---if i was on a jury, that in itself and the fact that she deliberately put a tree stump in the windshield equals guilt. . . 

i really feel the parents are reaching/looking for SOMETHING to deny admitting she may have done this on purpose--and to hang onto a statement made by ANYONE about 'possibly old tire tracks' is not enough (esp if that's the only thing they have). .physical science/gravity does not lie---the young man was thrown. . .another thing i have a problem with is that the girl's parents DO NOT recognize that even if this was an ACCIDENT, then consequences should not be adhered to----drunk drivers are sentenced for yrs (and some are under the influence of alcohol). . . .ACCIDENT or NO ACCIDENT, she DID DO IT and she should serve the time because a life was lost. . 

 You got it. The abuse defense, taking a plea bargain, not getting on the stand at the trial, cooking up a story about driving back because she forgot to give him something (creating reasonable doubt) are classic guilty-guilty-guilty criminal defenses. The incredible "old tire tracks" story is a reasonable doubt ploy as well. The abuse defense is embarassingly phoney. There is not a shred of evidence, and I can't see anyone abusing that tough little cookie or her parents standing for it. The whole remorseless family seems to truly believe that if they all lie long and hard enough someone will buy it.
 
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March 17, 2006, 1:07 pm PST

Hello... Why IS Daniel's family dysfuntional???

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   I do feel badly for both families and can understand the emotions must be very strong, especially for Daniel's parents, they lost their son and I can only imagine what a horrible void that is for them. I hope that someday they can heal and be able to start a new life in which they can function in a way that will be productive and happy. It will have to be without Daniel and will never be the same but can be fullfilling and happy again. 

   I was watching the interview with Brandi and, in my opinion, she is truly sorry for the pain she has caused everyone. I know that she should have to have a consequence but think it really should fit what happened and I truly beiieve that Daniels parents should not be factored in to the decision of what the consequences for Brandi should be.  

  I say that because when I watched the parts of the show that focused on Daniels family I saw how angry bitter and disfunctional they are and so using their input as to what Brandi's consequence should be, would be wrong and that is putting it mildly.  

   Wouldn't one of the best things for Daniel's family to do be to honor their son's memory. They talk about what a great person he was, then shouldn't they honor him by showing the same great traits that he had. If he truly was wonderful than they should show wonderful qualities (i.e. understanding, forgiveness etc.) instead of displaying the kind of behavior they showed on this episode. Their bitterness and, mean spirit just makes me wonder about their son. Brandi said that Daniel was abusive and if he did behave anything like how his parents were acting then he very well may have been. That is not to say that Brandi would have had the right to kill Brandon, however, it does show that Brandon had some qualities and ways of thinking that might have led hit to in fact jump out in front of Brandi's car just as she said he did. I just think Daniels parents should change their outlook and behaviour because I am not so sure they are honoring and portraying their son in the best of light. 

 Now let's see, the family whose son was murdered is angy, bitter and dysfunctional, and the cheerleader seems truly sorry and is nicer to watch on TV. Why is that?
 
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March 17, 2006, 1:08 pm PST

I just don't know

Well, I watched the show both on its air date and its rerun yesterday. At first I wanted to believe Brandi. And some parts of her story I do. I believe that maybe Daniel was abusive and she was trying to get out of the relationship. I even believe the part about Daniel saying that if she left him he would kill himself. I don't know about the death threat to her and her brother. If that were true, and she was as afraid of him as she says she was, why didn't she tell her parents? Or contact his family and let them know what was going on? I see no reason why she had to go over there in the middle of the night. I don't think she meant to kill him. I DO think that she knew she hit him, because of the comment she made to Dr. Phil about knowing that if he were alive and she got out of the car, he would have killed her. I think she was going faster than what she thought but then again, she was in a trailor park so how fast could she have been going? I didn't see any remorse for what happened to Daniel in her interview. She cried over the fact that Daniel's mother was bashing her mother and the fact that she has hurt her family by being put away. But she had to be asked if she was sorry for what happened to Daniel.  

 

And as for the parents! Where do I start. I can't begin to understand what Daniel's parents are going through right now. I wouldn't wish that kind of pain on my worst enemy and my prayers are with them. But I don't think it is right to blame Brandi's parents for what BRANDI did. Brandi was 17, she knew full well what she was doing when she went there that night. And Brandi's parents don't need to blame Daniel's parents for anything either. These were two young adults who made poor choices. Hating each other and bashing each other's parenting skills is not the way to get through this. The only one's that know what happened that night are Brandi, Daniel and God. We may NEVER know the truth. Whether we find it out or not, it doesn't bring Daniel back and it doesn't remove the memories from Brandi's head about that night.  

 

I don't think it was right for Daniel's mom to say that when she hugged his twin brother she felt as if she was getting a second chance to hug Daniel. She still has other children to worry about. They may be grown but they have feelings. Daniel is gone, and that is tragic. But her other children are here and they love her and need her too. She has to learn to let Daniel go and trust that he is with God now.  

 
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March 17, 2006, 1:10 pm PST

Well, now thousands have bought it!

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 You got it. The abuse defense, taking a plea bargain, not getting on the stand at the trial, cooking up a story about driving back because she forgot to give him something (creating reasonable doubt) are classic guilty-guilty-guilty criminal defenses. The incredible "old tire tracks" story is a reasonable doubt ploy as well. The abuse defense is embarassingly phoney. There is not a shred of evidence, and I can't see anyone abusing that tough little cookie or her parents standing for it. The whole remorseless family seems to truly believe that if they all lie long and hard enough someone will buy it.

Well, Dr. Phil always asks "How's that working for ya?"  In this case, based on the number of posters who now think Daniel was an abuser who was responsible for his own death, it seems like it's working pretty good for them.   I'm just concerned that Brandi's refusal to admit now what she plead guilty to in court will come back to haunt them when she comes up for parole in 2008.   

 
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March 17, 2006, 1:15 pm PST

The Rest of the Story????

I think we would have seen the truth that she did this out of rage and anger and then tried to cover it up if we were afforded the opportunity to have heard from defense counsel and the prosecution with a brief summary of all the evidence that was against her.  Maybe a new show with counsel involved would help us all.
 
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March 17, 2006, 1:18 pm PST

The facts

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Was the windshield shattered by Daniel hitting it or did Brandi hit the windshield with the tree limb or 2 X 4? Is there any objective evidence that Daniel abused Brandi, physically, emotionally, or verbally?
 Brandi hit Daniel going 60 miles an hour  which of course shattered the windshield. (She told Dr. Phil that she didn't realize she had hit him until the police told her she had.) When she got home, she put a tree through the hole in the windshield and told her parents that the car had been vandalized. But her parents know that hitting Daniel was completely accidental. No, there is no evidence of abuse.
 
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March 17, 2006, 1:25 pm PST

Thank you

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My heart goes out to the mother who lost her son.  My heart goes out to the parents of the girl who was convicted of the other childs death.  As the girl has been processed by the judicial system - she has been judged, we do not need to keep judging her.  She will live with this experience for the rest of her life. 

  

I lost a son fifteen years ago.  I beat myself for his death over a six to seven year period.  I was angry, and avoided people because I knew I I truely believed it was wrong he had been taken from me.  I had two other children but, he was my youngest.  The day of his death my mother told me, "remember, you have two other children who need you".  A woman at work said to me a few weeks later that God took him from me to protect me.  I became angered because children are innocent and should never die.  In the end, I realized, none of us ever expect to lose a child.   

  

One day a friend who's life I dropped in and out of said , "Have you stopped beating yourself for his death, you know, it is time".  The day I let go, a ton of weight was removed from shoulders.  I look back at those years and now see how selfish I was.  My sons soul could not rest because I was angry holding on to him trying to reason  why it was not his time to go.  Yes, I know he will never graduate high school or college, get married, give me grandbabies, but I have two other loving children who will do some, if not all, of these thing.  These children were so strong during my selfish pain.  To this day, they are the most giving people I have ever known.  I wonder how I kept myself from making them angry people too.   

  

To both parents, don't allow the children you have at home to become filled with the anger and discontent you are feeling for you lost child.  The children living in your home ought to be happy - they will have a life time to deal with anger and discontent as adults, don't encourage bitterness and keep your children beautiful for as long as you can. 

 Thank you for your healing words. I'm sorry for your loss.
 

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March 17, 2006, 1:26 pm PST

Said the pot to the kettle?

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How naive are you to think that just because someone takes a plea bargain they are guilty?  Having a lawyer and going to trial takes time, enormous amounts of money, and can drain a person emotionally.  Trying to prove your innocence isn't like it is in the movies, not only are you trying to defend yourself against the prosecutors but against 12 jurors who have never met you and can decide your future with the drop of a hat.  Some people don't like to gamble with their freedom and if I had the choice of going to trial which would costs me thousands of dollars and no gaurantee of proving my innocence or taking a lesser plea where I could do some time and still move on with my life, then I would probably consider a lesser plea.  I have been through a similar ordeal with a friend. 

  

But of course you know from personal experience and can pass your unfounded judgement onto others with your holier than thou attitude. 

My intent was not to be arrogant or condescending.  It is my point of view.  I appreciate yours, we just don't have the same standpoint or agree on this situation. 

  

I hope you read more of my response than what you commented on.  I never called her guilty.  I simply feel there are many aspects of her own responsibility that she is not owning and I FEEL that has something to do with her actions and the plea--just as you FEEL she is NOT guilty because you are familiar with a similar ordeal. 

  

Based on all the information in the show, this was my opinion.  Why are you judging me for having one?  Do only those with your point of view deserve one? 

 
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March 17, 2006, 1:34 pm PST

If Brandi's mom is still monitoring the board...

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Brandi's mom's response to me regarding whether the skate was in her car after the incident was "no it wasnt she through it out up the street  at johns house  which its what she has said she was going to do this whole time she was not stoping at daniels dads house she was driving past because that was the only way she knew to go" 

  

Looking at your diagram, in addition to your question for her, Stephy, I'm trying to get Brandi's mom's response to the following... IF she thinks Brandi didn't throw the skate out at John's the first time she went past his house, right after she left from dropping off Daniel's stuff which would was why she said she had to drive by Daniel's house again on her way to John's, then Brandi would have had to stop down the street, I would imagine still within view of where she hit Daniel, and drop the skate off at John's after having hit Daniel and before she went home.   

  

I just don't see how Brandi's mom can believe Brandi on that issue. 

  

  

  

I'd still like to hear her explanation regarding the missing skate that Stephanie says was with the rest of the items that Brandi left at Daniels. 
 
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March 17, 2006, 1:36 pm PST

More questions

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Was the windshield shattered by Daniel hitting it or did Brandi hit the windshield with the tree limb or 2 X 4? Is there any objective evidence that Daniel abused Brandi, physically, emotionally, or verbally?

Another question is why did she drive over there. As far as we know she could have been overly obsessively jealous of him right? 

For all we know he broke up with her because he couldn't deal with her temper tantrums........ 

  

I mean for all we know Daniel was the one being mentally and verbally abused. There is evidence she is physcially violent, I mean she ran him down with the car....... 

  

  

There are two sides to every story and I have a hard time believeing this girl didn't have temper and attitude issues . 

 
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