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Created on : Friday, October 07, 2005, 03:42:52 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/13/05) In a heartbeat, your entire life can change. No one knows this better than the families of Brandi and Daniel. Seventeen-year-old Brandi was a cheerleader, an excellent student and an all-American girl. She was in love with athletic 18-year old Daniel. Now he’s dead and she finds herself behind bars serving a 12-year sentence, all because of what happened in just a split second. Was it murder or simply a horrific accident? Hear members of both families describe how the tragedy unfolded, and the struggle to put together the pieces of their shattered lives. Plus, Dr. Phil visits Brandi in prison to ask some very hard questions. She has an emotional message for Daniel's mother -- and for Daniel. Talk about the show here.

 

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October 13, 2005, 2:49 pm PDT

Death vs. 12 years, which would your family choose?

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Dr. Phil said that the young man had threatened to "commit suicide" if she left him. He threatened to kill her and her younger brother. After fighting, she went to leave him and he stepped out in front of her car. Sounds like SUICIDE to me. She has served more time than child rapists and first-degree murderers. Let her go home. 

Jayleigh - you are completely clueless - Rapists and First degree murders get less time than she has served (which is currently less than 4 years).  Turn off the TV and read the news.  Those convicted of first degree murder get at best 25 to life.  And btw, anyone can scream abuse AFTER THE FACT!!  That is the most common plea of women and while it unfortunately happens often, it is also used quite often as an excuse.  I believe that she now thinks she is innocent, she has convinced herself of that and I believe that she was young and ignorant enough (and her parents were obviously ignorant too) to not engage more with her attorney to know what was going on.  BUT once she signed the documents and accepted the plea she has ADMITTED to voluntary manslaughter.  SHE ADMITTED TO IT!!!  Whether she did it because she and her parents were too ignorant to make a better decision or because wanted to get 4 months for taking a human life, she signed the papers and admitted to manslaughter.  To turn around and say that she is innocent is offensive.  There are people in prison who are innocent (albeit not many) but they opted to go to trial.  If she was innocent she SHOULD HAVE GO TO TRIAL AND LET THE JURY DECIDE!!  If they found her guilty but she never conceded she was then she might have a reasonable argument, at the very least as long as she didn't ever admit it she has a right to continue to claim her innocence.    Poor little girl behind bars.  It sucks that her family only gets to see her once/week.  If she were in the grave they could visit her gravesite every day if they wanted to.  And her brother using this as an excuse to commit crimes and the family using it as an excuse for Brandi's brother's behavior is SICK and PATHETIC!!
 
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October 13, 2005, 2:49 pm PDT

Daniel and Brandi

I watched the show today on Daniel and Brandi and I was immediately struck by how defensive Brandi's family is about her involvement in Daniel's death.  Whether she meant to or not, she did kill him.  There's no getting around that fact.  They almost act like she did nothing wrong.  To expect her to serve four months in jail for the death of another human being to me is unreasonable.  I would only expect a light sentence like that if it were self defense or something close to that.  But that is an entirely different show.   She did not have to go over to his house to return his things.  She could have had her father take them to him or ask his father, mother , sister  or brother to come and pick them up from her.  I'm not saying that she killed him on purpose, I am saying that they (Brandi and her family) need to acknowledge the fact that a young man is dead and she is responsible.   

  

I quote from a book called "Bully" by Jim Schutze about a group of young people that killed one of their supposed friends.  While not quite the same thing as this case, the final page of the book says a lot.  "At each if their sentencings, the same scene was repeated:  In the dark hurly burly of the corridor outside Judge Greene's courtroom, in the middle of a crowd of people rushing to and from other trials in other courtrooms, the adult relatives of the defendants gathered and spoke to the small cluster of media representatives covering the Kent case.  In almost every case, they shrieked that the sentences were unfair.  "He wasn't the only one," Marty Puccio's grandmother cried.  "She's innocent," one of Lisa Connelly's relatives said.  "She made a mistake, that's all."  Ali Willis's stepfather said, "She was a dumb kid who was at the wrong place at the wrong time. 

  

They did not say this:  My child is a murderer.  I am sick with shame.  When I think of what my child did to another human being, I want to die myself. 

  

No one said that.  Not one person." 

  

As I said before, I don't know that Brandi is a murderer.  I don't know that she killed him on purpose.  But she did kill him.  And while she and her family are bemoaning the fact of her imprisonment, and they should because I am sure that being in prison is hard, Daniel is dead.   

His family has a greater burden to accept.  Brandi will get to live past her mistake and her life will go on, not as if nothing has happened, of course, but it will go on.  Daniel is dead. 

 
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October 13, 2005, 2:50 pm PDT

10/13 Cheerleader Scandal

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 My heart goes out to both of these families who are suffering.  I cannot judge-  God, Brandi, and Daniel are the only ones who know the truth. I  do feel that 12 years is too much time for  such a young girl to serve, yes she took a life but was it really premediated?  I hope that there is some kind of appeal.  It just seems to be there is not enough proof that she did this on purpose.  As I sat in front of the television in tears, my husband walked in, listened to the rest of the program and the first  thing he said was "It sounds like suicide to me. If he really was threatening to take his own life, what would stop him from jumping out in front of the car?"  I dont know what to think of his comment.  I also think that maybe he was trying to stop her by  jumping out in front of her.  I was once young and in love and had done some stupid things myself.

As for both families, they need to forgive and move on.  Have some faith in God.  It is horrible to see them destroy  their own lives.  I cannot imagine what either family is going through because I have not experienced such  a thing, but  they are all only going to live in misery if they dont learn to let go.
Dr. Phil, I hope maybe you can help them .
I think that 12 years is a really long time honestly.  This mother acts like she is only getting slapped on the wrist, but she will not get out of jail until she is almost 30 years old.  I don't think that getting revenge is going to bring her anymore peace in her life.  Justice should be done here.  I am Christian and believe that if Brandi really did this, she will pay more after this life.  I also think that Brandi will remember this for the rest of her life and will suffer for it.  Twelve years is deffinitely enough.
 
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October 13, 2005, 2:50 pm PDT

Where are the lawyers?

The Cheerleader scandal isn't even a complete show until you answer the questions raised by the double shuffle involving Brandi's attorneys. Did the JUDGE really have anything to do with the withdrwal of the first lawyer? Was the second attorney totally inept and incompetent? Didn't he explain all aspects of the plea bargain as it was offered and/or later altered? Did he actually change the key word "recklessly" to "intentionally" shortly before the plea hearing? Did he explain the vast difference between these two words? Did your producers try to interview the judge and the attorneys involved? The audience needs some clarification!!!! 

 
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October 13, 2005, 2:50 pm PDT

open eyes

ok did anybody think for a inute that he did not want her to leave him...  he threatened to kill her, her brother even hurt himself each time she wanted to leave him...   i don't think he wanted to die but he wanted her to be stuck with him forever...  it looks likes he got what he wanted...  now she'll be haunted by him for the rest of her life...  good plan man! 

  

ok for the boys mother...  she wouldn't know the truth if it it her in her face...  i can't even imagine her pain, but i don't believe in revange and hate...  and dissing the young girls mother...  SO UNCOOL!!!  IMATURE!!   

 

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October 13, 2005, 2:50 pm PDT

A neutral perspective

For starters, I feel that Brandi's parents were accurate in saying Sheila is out for revenge. And, to go a step further, she's rationalizing this revenge with the loss of her son. I don't think her son would want this for his family or for Brandi and her family. Sheila, if your reading this, stop letting your pain and sence of loss cloud your judgement of the issue. What would you do if your surviving daughter were to hit someone in the street tomarrow. Would you lock her behind bars. Jail is meant to be a place to put criminals, that are a danger to the general public, where they can't hurt anyone else... I am a scary judge of character. And just from the little bit I saw of Brandi on the show, I can tell you that regardless of her intent at the time, she was a kid who made a mistake. A mistake that even without jail time, will follow her for the rest of her life. You are a person who is filled with hate and revenge, and it is not your place in this world to cast judgement on this girl. In my oppinion, you have done a far worse injustice by condemning Brandi AND her family for an addolesent mistake. No matter how great a mistake it may have been. 

  

The right thing to do in this situation. The moral and just thing to do. Would be for you to let go of your hatered (that I honestly think spawned long before the loss of your son) and forgive Brandi for what happened. You know damn well that your son would agree. I think you should be the one to file the appeal to get Brandi released. She's payed for her mistake. And will continue to pay for it for decades to come. 

  

Sheila, if you would like to contact me via E-Mail, my address is in my profile. I want you to know that I am not judgeing you for your actions, and also understand your position on this. I'm just saying that there comes a time when you have to face the facts. It's done. It can't be changed. And, keeping Brandi in jail isn't going to bring you son back or take away your pain. The sooner you realize that the pain you feel is only going to lessen (not disappear)  is when you come to terms with his death. You'll probly be suprized to find that forgiveing Brandi, and talking to her about what happened will help tremendously in your recovery from this. You need to get a grip on your emmotions and see that it's not Brandi that's making you hurt. It's your loss. And, it's your own regrets of what could have been. 

  

Sincerely, 

  

Joshua

 

 
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October 13, 2005, 2:51 pm PDT

Anger is a mask for guilt

I agree that the statements made by Daniel's mother and sister  were not appropriate.  They sound defensive statements rather than explanations.  It was shocking to see the rage the two women displayed towards Brandi and her family.  Knowing that anger and guilt are VERY close emotions it makes one rather vote in favor of Brandi and her side of the story.  Presentation is everything!  

   

I think that the out and out dismissal of abuse charges due to lack of visible evidence is absurd.  It is a reaction of defense that one takes when abuse is certain but not evident.  How can Daniel's mother state with assurance, her son's actions and behaviors when he did not live with her.  When she did not interact with him on a daily basis.  When she was not being a mother to him.  This is where her guilt lies and why she is so defensive.  

   

I feel for the loss of both families and believe in Brandi and her family.  It is a shame that the facts cannot be fully disclosed due to time.  We were only shown the 'highlights'.  Items to peak and keep our interest.  Of those, I decide accident.  

 

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October 13, 2005, 2:51 pm PDT

Brandi's fight...

watching the dr phil program about the car accident that killed Daniel just bout angered me.  I have to say the demeanor of Daniel's family is projecting pure "revenge." The horror of losing a child by death, no doubt will hurt for the rest of their life. In the past three and a half years since this happened, they (Daniel's family) has done absolutely nothing to "honestly" look at the facts and stop the finger pointing. When u point at someone else, look at your hand, there are 3 more fingers pointing right back at "who", yes "yourself." I believe Daniel abused Brandi. Adults have hard time making intelligent decisions to leave an abuser and never go back. At 17 years old, Brandi tried to handle the situation on her own, and protect her family (brother). That is where Brandi's parents should have stepped in, long before this accident, along with competent counselor. Charges should have been filed against Daniel for abuse. Daniel saw Brandi drive off. Whether or not he knew it was her coming back, "he" Daniel made the decision to step in front of a moving car. He had to have known he would be seriously injured if not killed. Brandi is paying for Daniel's decision to step in front of a moving car. Regardless how fast it was going. I believe Daniel suffered some sort of mental condition to threaten suicide and homicide. As for Brandi's lawyer, he should be dis-bared! I hope Brandi gets another trial w/competent counselor. One who is qualified and prepared to "show" the facts. It's hard to see this happen to such young people on both sides and to the family's left behind to carry on. I hope Brandi's brother gets his life back and stop rebelling. That will prove nothing!  Honor your sister by taking care of yourself. Take a stand, and become an advocate for young teens who are in abusive relationships and feel trapped. There are many wonderful "free" programs offered in all communities, on local and state level for people trying to break free these kinds of relationships.  

As for Daniel's sister,and mother,  who is determined to remain bitter and  cash in on sympathy, use your energy to do something constructive in the memory of your brother and your son!  .....Katy in Louisiana... 

 
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October 13, 2005, 2:51 pm PDT

10/13 Cheerleader Scandal

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 Just because she did not have a black eye or a bruised face does not mean that he did not abuse her. Don't assume things based on appearances.
Her family said he emotionally and physically abused her.  If this were true (and I think it's a big if) why didn't her family stop her from seeing him?  She was 17 years old.  It is their job to protect her from this sort of thing. 
 
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October 13, 2005, 2:52 pm PDT

10/13 Cheerleader Scandal

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That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.  First of all, why was she driving 65mph in a residential neighborhood? Second of all, why  would she drive off if it was an accident?  Only someone with no thought for others could drive off after hitting someone.  Third, why would she take a plea bargain? If she was so innocent, than she should have went to trial but she didn't because she knew there was too much evidence against her.  Her story changed too many times during Dr. Phil's interview for me to believe her. 

Oh my goodness. Are you forgetting that this was a 17 year old girl. Not to mention that she was in a questionable relationship, and I say questionable because of the accusation of abuse. Teenagers hardly think the way that an adult. Matter of fact, who are you to judge what she should do in that situation. Have you been in that situation. Doesn't sound like it. It good and well that yes she should have stopped and so forth, but reality is hardly ever what should be. Things are more complicated in real life. Further, she took the plea bargain because her lawyer told her to. And again let me stress here, she was 17. She hardly knew better.
 
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