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Created on : Friday, October 07, 2005, 03:42:52 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/13/05) In a heartbeat, your entire life can change. No one knows this better than the families of Brandi and Daniel. Seventeen-year-old Brandi was a cheerleader, an excellent student and an all-American girl. She was in love with athletic 18-year old Daniel. Now he’s dead and she finds herself behind bars serving a 12-year sentence, all because of what happened in just a split second. Was it murder or simply a horrific accident? Hear members of both families describe how the tragedy unfolded, and the struggle to put together the pieces of their shattered lives. Plus, Dr. Phil visits Brandi in prison to ask some very hard questions. She has an emotional message for Daniel's mother -- and for Daniel. Talk about the show here.

 

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October 13, 2005, 3:24 pm PDT

Piss Poor Mom???

Where does Daniel's Mom get off by slandering Brandi's Mom by calling her a piss poor mom.  She was out of Daniel's life for over 5 years...why?  Was she an abusive mom?..her attitude and language reminds me of people who are abusive.  Is that where Daniel learned how to be abusive? 

  

Is Brandi Guilty or Innocent?  That is hard to determine from the tidbits of information on the show.  However, with Daniel being an abusive boyfriend, I am curious as to exactly what their last conversation was.  Was Daniel being threatening and/or threatening suicide?  Did he step in front of the car to commit suicide?  Or did he once again threaten Brandi and her family and scream threats at her while she was driving away?  Did he provoke her?  Could this be self-defense?  She obviously hit him with the car, but what really happened that evening has not been clearly shown to make a determination of guilt or innocence. 

  

I believe Brandi's attorney is guilty of bad representation and should have the opportunity for a trial.  At that time a juror of her peers would judge guilt/innocence/self defense in this case.  I would hope this would help both families.  There is an injustice here...just exactly where it is though is not clear. 

  

A young person who is having her/his life threatened does not have the capacity to think this completely through and will do what they need to do to protect their families...this could be tragic.    What should have also been brought out in this show is young teenage girls who are in an abusive relationship should go to their parents and/or law enforcement for help.   

  

  

 
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October 13, 2005, 3:24 pm PDT

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Anger is a serious issue that both sides need to work out. My best friend was murdered 13 years ago. I was so angry for so many years that it hurt everybody I was around. Personally, I think both family members need to seek counseling to work out their anger and direct it in something positive.
 
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October 13, 2005, 3:25 pm PDT

Totally agree

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Dr. Phil stated that Daniel threatened to commit suicide if Brandi left him. She made it clear it was over and, while LEAVING HIM he stepped out in front of her car. It sounds like a suicide to me!  She has served more time than child molesters, child rapists and murderers. Let her go home.  Daniel got what he wanted... her and her brother's lives virtually over, and forever scarred, and he wanted to be dead. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but that's what I heard on the show. It's a sad, sad story.
I feel that with all the information, the parents of the young man are leaving out isome important information... What was he like and his attitude towards the relationship and why is eveything directed only towards brandi.  Brandi stated that their relationship was rocky, so what did he do while he was around family and what did he say about them being together...?  I feel that he was trying to make an attempt to get back at her and got in the way...
 
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October 13, 2005, 3:25 pm PDT

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I also feel greatly for the parents and the siblings of both parties. There is a great deal of loss on both sides. I pray that in time they both can find the forgiveness that is needed to help each member of these families. May Daniel rest in peace and may Brandi ask for the forgiveness that she deserves. I also pray that Brandi can survive this prison sentence she was given and be released a strong and intelligent young lady. There has already been one tragedy, let us pray there only be one.
 
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October 13, 2005, 3:25 pm PDT

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   I feel very sorry for both Brandi's family and Daniels family but I feel she has served her time and keeping her in there isn't going to change how she will feel for the rest of her life.Daniel's family wants revenge and not justice.My heart brakes for Brandi's family.My brother was in a accident he drove a car with no licence from a party where everyone had been drinking and he was the only sobber one.Got into a very serious car accident and the girl in the car passed away.He had many surgery to the head and went to jail years later.He passed away 4 years ago from sucide not being able to deal with everything that happened.My family has never been the same since.I feel that  Daneils family has suffered a very seriouse loss and feel very sorry for them.It's time to let Brandi out and try to get on with her life. 

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October 13, 2005, 3:26 pm PDT

Murder or accident

I have not lost any children of my own.  only my parents.  but i feel the pain that both the familes are going trough for i have lost a nephew at the age of 10 which is the same age as my daughter who is now 18.  my nephew was hit by a car and died at the scene on his spring break vacation.  and i see what that has done to my older sister and their family but somewhere in your heart you have to find forgiveness to the one who has killed him.  i dont know how my sister goes on everyday  with her life because she said she could never forgive but i know somewhere in her heart she has. she has some type of feeling of forgiveness because she is still going on today. the young girl who killed my nephew , she has to live with that everyday of her life. and i know it would be difficult for her.  these 2 families have never talked and watching your show today showed me the anger and hurt of both families what they actually go through.  my prayers are with the families and with everyone else that may be in a situation like this


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October 13, 2005, 3:26 pm PDT

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Omg what is wrong with all of you.  Have you all been so perfect that you haven't made a mistake ever.  Dont get me wrong I feel bad for both of these families and losing their children, but has anyone stopped to think that she was only 17, she is still a child, she has a lot to learn yet. I believe it was an accident,  if I heard right I believe Daniel was in so much pain with his own family he didnt want to live. Sounded like another future wife beater to me as well,   

I think both families should forgive and Move on with their lives,   

By Brandi being in  one of our  already crowded  jails, what actually is the purpose, REVENGE,   

Let her out.  

  

I do have a question for Daniels parents.  What if the role was the other way around?   What would you say  if your daughter accidentally killed Brandis brother?  huh.... 

  

Accidents happen  get over it and move on. You cant be angry forever.  You are only hurting your selves as well. Brandi's mom is already having health problems,  Stress and anger will get you know where.  Get a life. 

Very well said.  anger is dangerous and you are hurting yourselves when you refuse to forgive.  Forgive each other and move on.  I don't know how they feel but when you forgive another you are doing it for you to let go that hurt and pain.  Through anger you can hurt herself with health problems ulcers, etc. 
 
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October 13, 2005, 3:26 pm PDT

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I said the exact same thing. How can the boys sister sit there and lie on national tv. She is the one that needs to be in trouble, she probably lied about the whole thing.

I agree with what u wrote who is doing the lieing i think brandy should be let go.  People who rape girls repeatly do get put away as long and they have records going back 20yrs but thats ok a first offense for brandy which was an accident goes for 12yrs doesnt make sense what is with the system they call this justice it discussed me the way this system is everyday i get angryer angryer but of the things i hear how murders rapists anybody gets let out for good behavior or gets i-2 yrs tops. Its discussting and oprah just did a show about this and how it needs to stopand us the people r the only ones who can change this. 

  

Thank u  

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October 13, 2005, 3:27 pm PDT

Give me a Break!

Prison is full of  innocent people -- just ask any of the inmates.  As a crime reporter and a former court bailiff, listening to Brandi reminded me of just about every letter from an inmate to a judge asking for an early release.  She has yet to take responsibility for her actions ("I didn't know what I hit") while at the same time knowing that she hit him ("I didn't know if he was dead or what"), and her parents are fueling her attitude by buying into her "poor me -- I'm a victim, it was an accident" routine. 

  

The only people I heard say that Daniel was abusive, wanted to kill himself or her or her brother were Brandi and her family.  The only people who say he jumped in front of the car were Brand and her family.  And yet there's Dr. Phil, feeding her words back to her, creating a scenario that leaves her as a victim and Daniel as a controlling abuser who didn't know better than to jump in front of a slow moving (if we believe Brandi) car.  Where was the famous Dr. Phil pre-interviews with detectives, her lawyer, people who knew Brandi and Daniel to either back up or refute what she said and confront her with the evidence?  Where was the lie detector? 

  

I agree that Daniel's family needs to let go of the bitterness and anger in order to get on with their lives, and so does Josh.  But until Brandi takes responsibility for what she did, she is where she belongs.   And that means acknowledging, without Dr. Phil's prompting, how much pain she has caused Daniel's family -- and her family -- by what she did that night.   I agree that she made a bad choice.  But her bad choice was against the law, and she needs to serve time for that. 

 
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October 13, 2005, 3:27 pm PDT

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Jayleigh - you are completely clueless - Rapists and First degree murders get less time than she has served (which is currently less than 4 years).  Turn off the TV and read the news.  Those convicted of first degree murder get at best 25 to life.  And btw, anyone can scream abuse AFTER THE FACT!!  That is the most common plea of women and while it unfortunately happens often, it is also used quite often as an excuse.  I believe that she now thinks she is innocent, she has convinced herself of that and I believe that she was young and ignorant enough (and her parents were obviously ignorant too) to not engage more with her attorney to know what was going on.  BUT once she signed the documents and accepted the plea she has ADMITTED to voluntary manslaughter.  SHE ADMITTED TO IT!!!  Whether she did it because she and her parents were too ignorant to make a better decision or because wanted to get 4 months for taking a human life, she signed the papers and admitted to manslaughter.  To turn around and say that she is innocent is offensive.  There are people in prison who are innocent (albeit not many) but they opted to go to trial.  If she was innocent she SHOULD HAVE GO TO TRIAL AND LET THE JURY DECIDE!!  If they found her guilty but she never conceded she was then she might have a reasonable argument, at the very least as long as she didn't ever admit it she has a right to continue to claim her innocence.    Poor little girl behind bars.  It sucks that her family only gets to see her once/week.  If she were in the grave they could visit her gravesite every day if they wanted to.  And her brother using this as an excuse to commit crimes and the family using it as an excuse for Brandi's brother's behavior is SICK and PATHETIC!!
i dont think she did it purposefully, but regardless, the boys mother is who threw me off. honestly, mom, this poor girl has had her young years destroyed behind bars and could be insanely full of rage and hatred but when she sees you crying she sits there and apologizes, and says she understands what shes going through!!!! and all that mother can do is hate and hate and hate... perhaps im just a forgiving person... or perhaps that mom doesnt realize that she can forgive a person for a mistake, and still miss her son...hun, theres still time just forgive her in your heart, and forgive yourself, and pray to God that things will get better....    theeeen she goes ahead and disses the other mom???? what is going on?!?!! last time i checked.. SHE was the one with the abusive, suicidal son, and the other mom was teaching her children to pay for their crimes. i know its a mean point to show, and its obviously not the boys mom that he turned out that way... but shouldnt she see that and not blame the girls mom for what she may have accidentally, or purposefully have done (whatever the case may be)i too, understand what the boys mom is going through, but show a little compassion... and think about the chance that if her son wasnt dead, maybe his killer AND her brother would be intentionally murdered, according to her own son's threats....
 
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