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Topic : 03/16 Cheerleader Scandal

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Created on : Friday, October 07, 2005, 03:42:52 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/13/05) In a heartbeat, your entire life can change. No one knows this better than the families of Brandi and Daniel. Seventeen-year-old Brandi was a cheerleader, an excellent student and an all-American girl. She was in love with athletic 18-year old Daniel. Now he’s dead and she finds herself behind bars serving a 12-year sentence, all because of what happened in just a split second. Was it murder or simply a horrific accident? Hear members of both families describe how the tragedy unfolded, and the struggle to put together the pieces of their shattered lives. Plus, Dr. Phil visits Brandi in prison to ask some very hard questions. She has an emotional message for Daniel's mother -- and for Daniel. Talk about the show here.

 

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October 13, 2005, 6:20 pm PDT

I know what it is like

My heart goes out to both of the families, sometimes people don't understand that a tragedy like this hurt both families so bad.  The poor child will have to live with that for the rest of her life. My daughter is going through a similar incident right now, it was a total accident and she didn’t know the man. But she was on her way home from cheerleading practice and a man walked out into the highway to pick up a bag of potting soil in the dark.  She never saw him, she thought she had hit a deer and came home.  She has had such a hard time dealing with this, we had to move out of the town that we lived in for over 20 years,  we had to put her in a private school.  She still has nightmares and probably always will.  Sometimes we all cry ourselves to sleep,  Sleep is the hardest of all.  I guess because it happened after dark, and because of the nightmares.  But it also happens to police officers, I know of two this year who have hit a pedestrian one didn’t even know it and kept going.  You never know how fast life can change until it happens to you.  May God bless both families and help them to heal.

  

 

 
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October 13, 2005, 6:20 pm PDT

10/13 Cheerleader Scandal

No one asked her if she really had time to stop, since he did jump out in front of the car. I think that he was trying to get her to stop or he WANTED her to hit him. She was hyterical, and 17. She didn't want to think that she had really hit him and she was scared because she knew that she was going to be in trouble. I think that she has served her time... she's not a serial killer who's going to go out and claim more victims. It was obviously an accident on her part. What I think is important to know is why Daniel stepped out in front of her car? Premeditated murderers, rapists and serial offernders don't spend life in jail without parol. Daniel's mother is a fool to think that Brandi, a minor at the time, was going to have a sentence that severe.
 
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October 13, 2005, 6:20 pm PDT

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DR PHIL:   WHY THE HECK DID YOU NOT ASK THE PARENTS OF DANIEL, WHAT THEY THOUGHT OF THEIR SON BEATING HIS GIRLFRIEND.  OBVIOUSLY HE WAS ABUSIVE AND SUICIDAL.  HE STEPPED IN FRONT OF THE CAR TO END HIS LIFE AND SHE WAS RUNNING  TO SAVE HERS.  SHE MADE BAD DECISIONS, BUT SHE WAS A SCARED ABUSED CHILD.
She was soooo scared she went over to his house and then after she hit him she drove home and tried to cover it up. Having sex before marriage that is a bad decision. Murder is MURDER, death by anothers actions. I don't think that cuts it as a BAD DECISION.........How many bad decisions have you made that involved MURDER.......
 
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October 13, 2005, 6:21 pm PDT

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Dr. Phil said that the young man had threatened to "commit suicide" if she left him. He threatened to kill her and her younger brother. After fighting, she went to leave him and he stepped out in front of her car. Sounds like SUICIDE to me. She has served more time than child rapists and first-degree murderers. Let her go home. 

How many programs, books, seminars have been made available to educate us in the knowledge that as a rule abused people do not tell at the time of the abuse - threatening to commit suicide was just another attempt to control (abuse by emotional guilt) and the act was yet another, drama that went awry and ended in actual suicide.  Has anybody seen "Opra" in the past few days --- let's concentrate on putting away the child rapists on the FIRST offense, not the child !
 
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October 13, 2005, 6:22 pm PDT

so yeah

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People more often than not avert their eyes when answering questions, or even when talking.  One way to attempt to determine if someone is lying is when they look up to the left, thereby using the creative side of their brain and thus indicative of lying.  When they look up to the right it is indicative of the truth.  Brandi did neither.  She engaged in normal eye aversion that we all do without realizing it.  Mostly she looked down or to the side -- this behavior alone can't be used to determine truth or lying.  What she did do was answer questions looking him straight in the eye, especially the hard questions.  This is without refute by the experts as indicative of telling the truth. 

  

Railroaded in Northridge -- Teri 

i think sassylassy has a point. she really seemed to not know how to answer questions that should have been simple if she were innocent. she had a really hard time explaining how or why she did things. her mental state of breaking up with him, him supposidly abusing and/or threating to kill her and her brother, having a car and possibly being really really angry with him?? her apologies seemed generic. i'm sorry for everything?? to both the family and the boy she killed?? like 2 sentences.. i guess that's all it takes.. the only thing she really seemed sorry about was all that she was missing out on and how her family was doing. maybe i was wrong to only see the remorse she was lacking at taking a life at all, whether it be accidental or on purpose, rather than the regret of losing her freedom and some years off her life.
 
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October 13, 2005, 6:22 pm PDT

PTSD and Dissasociation

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So you have 3 college degrees? Does that make you right or that you see things nobody else can? I don't think so!  She was not railroaded, she panicked because she knew what she did and she knew she was going away for a very long time. Maybe and I say Maybe she didn't do it on purpose, the truth is she knew she hit him, and that's what would have helped her instead of trying to cover it up with a lame story that she lost her mind and just wasn't thinking.  I think she deserves a harsher punishment than she got which is just a smack on the butt. It doesn't take a college degree to see that! 

Before thinking such harsh thoughts, I suggest you read up on PTSD and trauma and dissassociation.  It is not uncommon for people to not remember what happend right before a horrible accident.  In fact in traumatic cases like this, her behavior falls under Dissassociation where a person has no, and I mean NO recollection of what happened.  This dissassociation can go on for hours with the person acting on auto pilot. 

  

Railroaded in Northridge -- Teri 

 
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October 13, 2005, 6:22 pm PDT

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Did you watch the same show I did? She put  a tree limb in the hole to fake an accident. On Earth we cal that a deception or in easier terms a LIE.............. She also said she was going 20 or 30 no she couldn't remember when Dr Phill said 58 feet. But hey maybe you have a Mars dictionary where lies are something ugly people tell or just men...She is a KNOWN LIER by her own parents mouths......
 You try hitting someone at 17 years old and see how confused YOU are! wouldnt you be in panick? Its hard 2 say for sure if she's guilty or not. No one knows for sure and no one will ever know for sure.
 
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October 13, 2005, 6:23 pm PDT

dingy?

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I think it was not brandi's fault. and well duh if brandi got ran over her mom would be upset but i dont think she would be as bullheaded as daniel's mother is. they both need to realize this was an ACCIDENT! ...
 Brandis mother acts like a pitbull over her daughter being in prison on too ligh a sentece for delibrate murder.  So I am certain if the tables were turned she would go over to Daiels families house and run them over like her  brad no consious daughter.  As for brandi not being at fault, you can think that all you like but fact is evidence proves she was so much to the point she made a plea  and decided not to take it to trial. 
 
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October 13, 2005, 6:23 pm PDT

Wait a minute, folks!

I can not believe that DANIEL'S abuse of Brandi wasn't discussed at more length. 

  

Most adult women DO NOT know how to handle abuse of any kind so why would anyone think that a 17 year old girl should know exactly what to do. 

  

People , especially young males when they are losing a girlfriend, who abuse, threaten to abuse, threaten suside etc. are frightening people. I'm sure Brandi was panic stricten as she wouldn't have been able to sort thing out rationally, in the heat of the moment, as he was probably tring to stop her from leaving. I think HE was the one in the rage and she had every reason to believe that he WOULD hurt her if he could stop her car. 

  

I would like to know if Daniel's abuse of Brandi was well documented. Were the police ever called 

because he was abusing her? Did HIS mother know he was abusing her. Did her parents know of the abuse or was Brandi trying to handle him all by herself. 

  

It's sad for both families. Most people don't know the law well enough to know if the plea was the right thing to do or whether she should have gone to trial. That's why we hire ATTORNEYS. Her 

attorney might not have done the best for her as not every lawyer is as good as they should be or they can be biased. 

  

Twelve years seems very harsh under the circumstances. Most child rapists, kidnappers, and killers DO NOT serve twelve years. 

  

I think she has served enough time in prison and would think that community service would serve the community better at this point. 

  

A note to all parents------if you think your child is being abused, bullied or otherwise being harrassed ACT. Be sure it  involves the police so things can be documented. 

  

  

  

 
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October 13, 2005, 6:25 pm PDT

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DR PHIL:   WHY THE HECK DID YOU NOT ASK THE PARENTS OF DANIEL, WHAT THEY THOUGHT OF THEIR SON BEATING HIS GIRLFRIEND.  OBVIOUSLY HE WAS ABUSIVE AND SUICIDAL.  HE STEPPED IN FRONT OF THE CAR TO END HIS LIFE AND SHE WAS RUNNING  TO SAVE HERS.  SHE MADE BAD DECISIONS, BUT SHE WAS A SCARED ABUSED CHILD.
You are the most heartless one yet! Do you want to rub salt in their wounds? How do you know he beat her? Was it because that is what she said, and coming from a person who tried to say she didn't know what happened, and did you hear him say he was suicidal? No he is dead thanks to her. She wasn't running to save her life, she had already left when she decided to go back  before she ran over him, in my experience if someone was beating on you , you certainly would not turn around and go back for more. She is an instigator and a lier, she deserves everything she is getting, and a child does not drive, so she is NOT an abused innocent child. I am so sick of all the assumptions when the truth could totally slap you in the face, it is so clear. Before you go saying things you have no clue about, watch the whole program. cheers to ya.
 
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