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Topic : 03/16 Cheerleader Scandal

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Created on : Friday, October 07, 2005, 03:42:52 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/13/05) In a heartbeat, your entire life can change. No one knows this better than the families of Brandi and Daniel. Seventeen-year-old Brandi was a cheerleader, an excellent student and an all-American girl. She was in love with athletic 18-year old Daniel. Now he’s dead and she finds herself behind bars serving a 12-year sentence, all because of what happened in just a split second. Was it murder or simply a horrific accident? Hear members of both families describe how the tragedy unfolded, and the struggle to put together the pieces of their shattered lives. Plus, Dr. Phil visits Brandi in prison to ask some very hard questions. She has an emotional message for Daniel's mother -- and for Daniel. Talk about the show here.

 

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October 14, 2005, 5:53 am PDT

10/13 Cheerleader Scandal

I just have one question, why was he still outside after she left the first time anyways ? Wasn't it late at night. He was probably watching her leave and saw her come back, that's when he probably put himself in her way for her to stop, not really wanting to get hit by the car.
 
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October 14, 2005, 5:54 am PDT

You so very angry also

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I makes me furious to read some of these post. A lot of you are striking out at Daniel's mom for being angry. You say she is out for revenge, well the only thing I saw was a mother grieving for her son and the true loss of something dear. I'm sure you that have no children are quick to judge just by her angry actions, but as mother's, we know the anguish and intense hurt when a child you bore is ripped from your arms. And just to know Nothing on God's green earth will ever bring him/her back to you. I understand the pain of Brandi's mom also as my son was incarcerated at one time, you feel helpless and crave to be able to reassure them mom is here for them and make sure they are not afraid or crying their self to sleep, it hurts desperately, but unlike Brandi's mom, Daniel's mom doesn't have the option to reassure her son he will be okay, because he is no longer within her reach. She will never be able to tell him "goodnight son, I will talk to you tomorrow", as Brandi's mom gets to do at her leisure. Shame on all of you who judge Daniel's mom for her grief which is obviously turned into anger. All she was doing today was venting her anger for Brandi's parent's being the limelight up there on stage with Dr. Phil and everyone saying poor pitiful Brandi, rotting away in jail, for Brandi it's just a silly phrase, but for Daniel its reality, its not a silly phrase. Daniel's mom is desperate to tell her side and let people know Daniel, I would be angry too, because I was just the one watching it, but it seemed to be about how unjust Brandi's mere 12 years is unfair, for murder, I don't think so. I think she deserves life because it was planned and I don't have to be an expert to see through her drama.  You don't drive 60 mph through a trailer park if your not angry about something. How naive is her parents to think she was the victim. Being a victim means you have to have proof, show the proof Dr. Phil. Give Daniel's mom the chance to be up there on stage in the spotlight and tell about her son and how he didn't deserve to die.  I can't wait to see all the idiots who respond to this post with excuses why the rich kid needs to be set free. Tell that to the judge, oh yeah we had no judge, we had a plea bargain, and in my book that screams "GUILTY".

I am a mother of two, and I have lost many friends and family members in my lifetime.  Many of whom went before there time, being so filled with rage dissrepects the memory of your loved one. 

I know this from experience.  Unless you are going to commit suicide or live in a mental institution for the rest of your life, you have to grieve and move on.  I have hundreds of funny stories and wonderful memories of my loved ones that I cherise deeply. 

I think that Daniel was abusing Brandy and I also think Brandy probably did run him down deliberately, but as an abuse survivor myself  I'm not so sure he didn't get what he had coming to him.   

Again I am a mother myself and I know it is easy to be blind to your children's faults.  Maybe Daniel's Mom feels more guilt than anger because she didn't help Daniel get the professional help he needed to deal with his own rage. 

 

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October 14, 2005, 5:54 am PDT

Cheerleader murder story

I have observed enough human behavior, that the 2 families appearing on yesterday's show are like many I have know. My first thought is why Brandie did not feel she could confide in her parents. Why she would even consider secretly taking their car. If her brother knew of this abusive behavior, why her family did nothing about it.  As for Daniel's family, his mother & sister are completely involved in their own emotions & are either not capable of, or don't care to, consider the feelings of others, including the surviving brother & father.  How does that brother feel when his mother admits that what she thinks of when she hugs him, is not him but his dead brother? You cannot deny their pain, but they appeared to be obsessed with pointing & name calling. My second thought is what was Daniel's family life like? Who was he imitating with his aggressive behavior. If one judged by that show, it was the mother. She appears to be a mean-spirited person. How very sad that this probably will go on for the lifetime of both these families.
 
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October 14, 2005, 5:56 am PDT

grief and reality

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I makes me furious to read some of these post. A lot of you are striking out at Daniel's mom for being angry. You say she is out for revenge, well the only thing I saw was a mother grieving for her son and the true loss of something dear. I'm sure you that have no children are quick to judge just by her angry actions, but as mother's, we know the anguish and intense hurt when a child you bore is ripped from your arms. And just to know Nothing on God's green earth will ever bring him/her back to you. I understand the pain of Brandi's mom also as my son was incarcerated at one time, you feel helpless and crave to be able to reassure them mom is here for them and make sure they are not afraid or crying their self to sleep, it hurts desperately, but unlike Brandi's mom, Daniel's mom doesn't have the option to reassure her son he will be okay, because he is no longer within her reach. She will never be able to tell him "goodnight son, I will talk to you tomorrow", as Brandi's mom gets to do at her leisure. Shame on all of you who judge Daniel's mom for her grief which is obviously turned into anger. All she was doing today was venting her anger for Brandi's parent's being the limelight up there on stage with Dr. Phil and everyone saying poor pitiful Brandi, rotting away in jail, for Brandi it's just a silly phrase, but for Daniel its reality, its not a silly phrase. Daniel's mom is desperate to tell her side and let people know Daniel, I would be angry too, because I was just the one watching it, but it seemed to be about how unjust Brandi's mere 12 years is unfair, for murder, I don't think so. I think she deserves life because it was planned and I don't have to be an expert to see through her drama.  You don't drive 60 mph through a trailer park if your not angry about something. How naive is her parents to think she was the victim. Being a victim means you have to have proof, show the proof Dr. Phil. Give Daniel's mom the chance to be up there on stage in the spotlight and tell about her son and how he didn't deserve to die.  I can't wait to see all the idiots who respond to this post with excuses why the rich kid needs to be set free. Tell that to the judge, oh yeah we had no judge, we had a plea bargain, and in my book that screams "GUILTY".

The loss of a child is horrendous. I lost mine to a hospital murder.  

  

However, the level of grief does not replace a fair trial of the perpetrator. Brandi needs a fair trial without crooked lawyers, or society using her to teach others a lesson. There are better ways to control society than that.  

  

The doctors and nurses who killed my son will get away with it no matter what I do. Daniel's parents must take comfort in the fact that Brandi is not above the law like professionals are.  

 
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October 14, 2005, 5:58 am PDT

10/13 Cheerleader Scandal

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Would you swerve if you saw something run out in front of you while illegally going 60 miles an hour in a trailor park? He very well could have run in front of her but a normal instinct would be to swerve and/or slam on the brakes. 
I agree with you beenybaby, but what upset me was that she drove home which took 30 minutes, stuck a tree in the hole in the windshield and said the vehicle was vandalized.  Spells premeditation to me.  Both families need counseling.
 
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October 14, 2005, 5:58 am PDT

logic and reason

The very sad thing for both famlies is that they, and many people on this message board have ,is that they are incapable of seeing past emotions and seeing  the raw facts of this case. ( not saying the case was not an emotional one ) but understanding the judicial system that i work in. The facts are... what they are. If indeed the police report proved she was innocent, and it was an accident as the family believes,  she would not be doing 12 years in prison.You can chose to believe he beat her , or that he was suicidal, ( even without proof )but of all things believe in the system that is devised to put guilty people in jail. They arrested this girl immediatly , booked her and began to prosecute her. Do you think ..hmm maybe they knew she was guilty. Her attorney talked her into  taking 12 years because it was the best deal she was going to get. There was no tricking her at the last minute....court documents and plea bargains are a concrete processed thing, and every one knows that no judge can reappoint a private attorney to another case. With a judge or jury and all the facts she would have gotten several more years in prison. So those who feel sorry for her continue to do so, but don't call the convicted ...innocent call them what they are ...guilty.   

 
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October 14, 2005, 6:00 am PDT

show was a comment on justice system

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I believe I have watched every Dr. Phil show that exists. This is the first time I can honestly say that I didn't care for the show. The guests were out of control (even if it was understandable considering the high emotions) and what good came from this show? NONE! No opinions were changed (which is usually the goal) and the guests are still as divided. The girl takes little to no responsibility for her actions and the boy is still dead. Both families are devastated and bitter. No prosecutor wants to see a good little girl (as this girl was) go to prison unless he believes she is guility. No family wants their daughter to accept a plea deal unless they feel she is guilty of something. Prosecutors LOVE when a defendant wants to take a lie detector test and in this case there was no test (can you imagine why?).  

  

Justice was served, even though it is very sad on all fronts. Emotions got carried away that night and this girl committed murder, even though it was not planned. Twelve years for non-premediated murder is a fair sentence. It's a sad, sad case all around and the show seemed to be a waste of time since no one is better for it. May both families come to terms with WHAT IS and move forward the best they can...at least for the sake of the innocent people who have been devastated by this crime (ie. the brother). 

it was an excellent show. Phil involved everybody in this one. He's waiting to see what we say. You must like instant gratification. Don't expect so much from Phil...!
 
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October 14, 2005, 6:04 am PDT

judicial finger

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many people seem to be pointing fingers at brandi that it was her fault that what happened to daniel, but if it is true that he steped out in front of the car then maybe its daniels fault.  i am sorry for your loss but how would your family feel if the tables turned and people started blaming daniel for what happened should brandi be punished for what daniel did. but the truth of the matter is the continous blaming only hurts both families is this what daniel would of wanted  i feel sorry for both families 

Um...did you watch the show. The judicial finger says she is guilty. oh and she said she was guilty.. 

pay attentioin next time 

 
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October 14, 2005, 6:05 am PDT

IF THINGS WERE OPPOSITE

How would his parents feel if he had of killed her and her brother?  Would they be so full of hate?  You must always look at the other side of life on everything.  Would they want forgiveness from her parents?  Everyone can sit there and say this one is lying and that one is lying.  Truth she has a higher power to answer to one day than his parents.  Why can't they believe that "their" son was abusive?  Most abusive people never show that side to their parents.  My daughter currently lives with an abusive boyfriend....he never shows that side of him to his parents.  He makes it look all the time like she is the bad person.  They have a 21 month old son together.  Things in life happen and although both parents are grieving keeping her in jail will not bring their son back.  And they will never go on with life unless they get rid of the hate they have inside of them.  Hate and anger can ruin a person.  They blame her....but did they even once look at their son as being a cause?  I have 5 children and have learned very early in life that never say that your child would never....they do.  Don't have such mother claws when it comes to your children.  Yes they are your children but they can and do make mistakes.  Some bigger than others.  I will deeply pray for both families.  Mostly for his family to let go of their son.  So that he may rest in peace.  And for her's so that she will someday be able to live with what happened.  May God bless both of these families.
 
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October 14, 2005, 6:06 am PDT

get a clue

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Dr. Phil said that the young man had threatened to "commit suicide" if she left him. He threatened to kill her and her younger brother. After fighting, she went to leave him and he stepped out in front of her car. Sounds like SUICIDE to me. She has served more time than child rapists and first-degree murderers. Let her go home. 

Think really hard before making statements. There was no proof he was suicidal... or abusive.. When that evidence is shown then maybe,... just maybe i'll drink the Kool-Aide,,, until then guilty is what guilty is.
 
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