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Topic : 03/16 Cheerleader Scandal

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Created on : Friday, October 07, 2005, 03:42:52 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/13/05) In a heartbeat, your entire life can change. No one knows this better than the families of Brandi and Daniel. Seventeen-year-old Brandi was a cheerleader, an excellent student and an all-American girl. She was in love with athletic 18-year old Daniel. Now he’s dead and she finds herself behind bars serving a 12-year sentence, all because of what happened in just a split second. Was it murder or simply a horrific accident? Hear members of both families describe how the tragedy unfolded, and the struggle to put together the pieces of their shattered lives. Plus, Dr. Phil visits Brandi in prison to ask some very hard questions. She has an emotional message for Daniel's mother -- and for Daniel. Talk about the show here.

 

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October 14, 2005, 6:08 am PDT

10/13 Cheerleader Scandal

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         I think she needs to come home. Her actions showed me she went into child mode when this happened not cowardice. At 17 she's trying to break away from parent's and become an adult, but who trains their children what to do and what not to do and have them do it right when it actually happens? I think she went into child mode when it happened and did the only thing she knew to do run to her parent's. I do not believe she went there with the intent to kill him. Daniel's sister said she dialed 91 and then the crash. But then daniel's brother said she waited at the top of the hill for 15 minutes. Well Daniel's sister that's some awfully slow dialing if you ask me. I think he saw the car and chose at that moment to end his life.  Maybe the forensic guy that was mentioned in an earlier message would be very good to call Dr' Phil. I am always hooked on his shows when I find them. He's very good. When God calls her that's when the right punishment should be held and God will hand out what's right. Right now she should come and heal with her family see a therapist. Another message I read earlier about wounds and healing and infection was hit right on the nose!! If you haven't read it find it it's true!! Yes we have a justice system and it's NOT perfect and it is up to us to perfect it not just say it is set up to take care of the bad that's bull ponky!!!!  I don't know what world you live in but you need to come back!!! The Legal System is messing up peoples lives everyday!!!! It's up to us fix it!!!! 

The judical system says she can come home ... after 12 years 

  

What don't you understand about guilty ,,, and sentencing? 

  

She was arrested, and about to be prosecuted .. 

  

they thought she was guilty, and they do that for a living. 

 
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October 14, 2005, 6:08 am PDT

I agree about Dr Phill

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 Except I don't believe Dr Phil ALLOWED Daniel's family to be verbally assaulted. In order to keep the integrity of the show, some things must run their course.  It gave the audience the opportunity to see each of the participants for who/what they really are, Brandi's parents included.

If they had not thrown the insults and acted as they did, you would not have realized how Brandi became the uncaring, murderer she is.
I agree that the show had to allow these people to interact without too much interuption. However, Dr Phil is usually so much better at calling people on their horrible behavior. I think Dr Phil should have called Brandi's parents on their behavior & inappropriateness.  That's why I love the show! Dr Phil calls people on their unbelievable behavior. I was just disapointed that he didn't call Brandi's parents on the glaring fact they are making excuses for their daughter & blaming the victim's parents. These people reduced Daniel's mother into running off the stage. I'm suprised she lasted that long, because I don't think I could have let Brandi's mother point her finger at me & call my parenting skills on the carpet & sit there calmly as long as she did.  I respect Daniel's mother for showing grace & control in the face of that shameful umbrage.
 
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October 14, 2005, 6:10 am PDT

I agree as well

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  I couldn't agree more. I can't believe that she would even be sentenced to 12 years.  It was an accident. How can Daniel's family actually believe that she went over to their house with the intention of killing Daniel.  If this was about Daniel beating Brandi to death this would not have even been on tv.
If the show was about Daniel beating Brandi you can bet his mother would be trying to sweep that under the rug.  Boys will be Boys and stuff you know.
 
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October 14, 2005, 6:13 am PDT

10/13 Cheerleader Scandal

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Whether or not it was an accident she is going to spend more time in prison that most manslaughter sentences. Manslaughter is a charge that is placed upon a crime where there really is no clear intent to kill. I do NOT believe Brandi's INTENT was to kill Daniel, but that is what happened. As for the people who are stating that she will get out at around 29 and live a normal life. Geez, you people really need to restart your brains.  

Who gets out of prison after 12 years and lives and normal life? NO ONE that's who. 

She will not be able to vote, she will have major difficulty getting ANY job, and what kind of man would even give her half a chance knowing her history. She is condemned for life beyond prison. Oh and women and men rape women in prison too, or did you forget? Does she really deserve that too? Raped every day for 12 years?  

So all of you whom think she got it light here is what is the reality of her "sentence".  

Brandi will most likely end up raped throughout most of her prison sentence and tattooed by her "butch" cellmate. When she does get out she will be broken, bitter, and most likely with only a GED. Her job prospects will be the lowest possible, if any. The only men she may allow to get close will most likely be abusers of drugs, alcohol, and her. She will not believe she can do better. 

  

Think about what the rest of her life will ACTUALLY  be like before you pass your holier than thou judgement! 

 I need to respond to this as I have a brother who spent 10 years in prison. (burglaries and such)
In his 10 years behind bars which started when he was 19, he worked and received an Associates Degree, he found God and turned his life around. He was never  raped or made to be another mans "toy". He finally told us all one day if you tell them no and stand firm with your no, they leave you alone. I would like to know where you got your information about prisons, was it on TV or was it from real life experience? You can't believe everything you see on TV.
When he was released, he went on to study and receive his Bachelors Degree in communications. He has a very good paying job, he has recently gotten married and his life is good. Yes he is a felon and he has lost alot of rights because of that, but he took his sentence and made it something good.

I see good things for Brandi if she chooses for them to happen when her 12 years are up.
I can't say if Brandi hit him intentionally or not, only Brandi can say that, but her actions after the fact show she was trying to cover the whole mess up and hoped it would go away.
Brandi needs to move on and make something of herself. Her family needs to accept the punishment she was given. Daniels family as hard as it is going to be, needs to forgive, they will only be able to heal from forgiveness.

 
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October 14, 2005, 6:19 am PDT

you have changed the crime

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Brandi should serve the rest of her sentence.  If  she didn't mean to hit him, she should have stayed.  The fact that she left the scene, hit the car with wood, and acted like nothing happened, indicate that she was covering the whole thing up.  Her crime started when she left the scene, if, in fact, Daniel had walked in front of the car, she should have stayed and told the police that.  Then to go home, cause farther damage to the car, as to make it look like someone else had caused the damage, was tampering with evidence.  She should do her 12 years, and not complain.  She is alive, and needs to pay her debt to society for what she has done. 

you are saying Brandi should be given 12 years for not staying at the scene. You have to be very careful about saying stuff if you didn't see what happened and don't understand the context. You sound like the "system."
 
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October 14, 2005, 6:23 am PDT

Guilty

 I feel like Brandi is guilty.  If it were an accident she would have checked on him, ran for help.  She would not have drove all the way home and try to cover it up. 
 
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October 14, 2005, 6:42 am PDT

SHOULD SHE HAVE BEEN JAILED 12 YRS.?

This young girl should have had a better defense lawyer.  It was clearly a fit of passion and frustration that led her to do what she did.  I suspect some of what happened is really not clear to her, yet she probably could have swerved to avoid him, but did not think of the consequences of her actions at that exact moment when he put himself in front of her car.  Twelve years is a long, long time for her to be in jail though.   

  

Please take a look at an Ontario case in the 90s.  Paul Bernardo and his wife Karla Homolka kidnapped two (2) teenaged girls on separate occasions, tortured them for days, killed, butchered and buried them.  They were also responsible for the rape and death of Karla's sister.  He got LIFE and she got - TWELVE YEARS!  Was this the right punishment?  Not on your life.  

  

Karla Homolka is now a free woman, with a BA, which she obtained through education courses on the Internet while in prison.  She got a FREE education, which we in Canada paid.  Where is the justice? 

 
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October 14, 2005, 6:52 am PDT

Daniel's Responsibility

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I makes me furious to read some of these post. A lot of you are striking out at Daniel's mom for being angry. You say she is out for revenge, well the only thing I saw was a mother grieving for her son and the true loss of something dear. I'm sure you that have no children are quick to judge just by her angry actions, but as mother's, we know the anguish and intense hurt when a child you bore is ripped from your arms. And just to know Nothing on God's green earth will ever bring him/her back to you. I understand the pain of Brandi's mom also as my son was incarcerated at one time, you feel helpless and crave to be able to reassure them mom is here for them and make sure they are not afraid or crying their self to sleep, it hurts desperately, but unlike Brandi's mom, Daniel's mom doesn't have the option to reassure her son he will be okay, because he is no longer within her reach. She will never be able to tell him "goodnight son, I will talk to you tomorrow", as Brandi's mom gets to do at her leisure. Shame on all of you who judge Daniel's mom for her grief which is obviously turned into anger. All she was doing today was venting her anger for Brandi's parent's being the limelight up there on stage with Dr. Phil and everyone saying poor pitiful Brandi, rotting away in jail, for Brandi it's just a silly phrase, but for Daniel its reality, its not a silly phrase. Daniel's mom is desperate to tell her side and let people know Daniel, I would be angry too, because I was just the one watching it, but it seemed to be about how unjust Brandi's mere 12 years is unfair, for murder, I don't think so. I think she deserves life because it was planned and I don't have to be an expert to see through her drama.  You don't drive 60 mph through a trailer park if your not angry about something. How naive is her parents to think she was the victim. Being a victim means you have to have proof, show the proof Dr. Phil. Give Daniel's mom the chance to be up there on stage in the spotlight and tell about her son and how he didn't deserve to die.  I can't wait to see all the idiots who respond to this post with excuses why the rich kid needs to be set free. Tell that to the judge, oh yeah we had no judge, we had a plea bargain, and in my book that screams "GUILTY".
 
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October 14, 2005, 6:57 am PDT

I understand

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I would just like to say that I live in the area. I did not know either party involved in this tragic Accident. I heard about on the news and then seen the show today.  This was such a eye opener for my 17 year old as she has had a boyfriend that was very controlling, mentally abusive, always crying that he will kill himself, she is the only thing that keeps him alive. I tried talking to the parents, I went to the school when he would'nt quit harrassing her, I went to the school security, I went to the police station. I was told because of the ages nothing could be done. I was told that he is not causing bodily harm and IF anything happens or it gets worse then to contact them. The reason I mention this is because of the questions I have after watching the show and it has to do with some of the things I did to find out more about the young man we had problems with.  

  

Dr. Phil ( or anyone who knows the answer to this )  

Brandi seems to be well educated and comes from a loving family. 

Brandi seemed to me to want to take responsibility for the accident that occured. 

Brandi was active in school and made good grades. Brandi has not caused any problems in school and I am assuming out of school as well.  

During your interview with her I did not see hatefulness , spite , she was very soft spoken.  

  

I didnt hear much about Daniel, What type of person he was. Was he a good student, Was he in trouble with the law?  

  

Did anyone on your staff check out Brandi's story about him being abusive? 

  

I am not trying to be harsh but I got the feeling that there is a lot more to this story that  is not being told. I totally understand the loss of a child is something that a parent will never get over.( I had a brother that was killed and my parents had a very difficult time) but the demeanor of Daniels family they want revenge they are full of hate. That was apperent on your show and in these postings that is in your website. Do they not take any responsbility for what has happened. The mother gives the kids away at a young age and now he can not handle another separation from a female. There is probably alot of issues within this family and they dont want the blame so they just give it all to Brandi. My point is if she would of stayed at the scene of the accident what would of happened to her ,by his family? maybe nothing but maybe she knows them better. After all Brandi's parents said they had to have the family esscourted out of her High School. Something is not right.  

  

I am 100 percent behind Brandi and her family. It is very unfortunate that Daniel died but didnt He step in front of a moving vehicle. he caused his own death. Brandi has paid the price of a life time.  

  

They should let her out now........ 

  

I went to school with Both Brandi and Daniel.  Brandi was a friend of mine and til this day I have a note that she wrote me on November 16, 2000 the accident happened on November 22, 2000.  In school Brandi was never in trouble, she was great person, with a big heart, and a great friend.  She did Love her brother alot she was there for him always.  Daniel was quiet when he was around me I only would see him at school and he would say hi and bye but other than that I thought he was an ok guy.  I believe deep inside that it was an accident and she didn't mean to hurt anybody. 

 
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October 14, 2005, 7:10 am PDT

different opinions

I have some different views on what happened with brandi and her boyfriend. I believe she is quilty, just from the story and the way she acted in the interview. She doesn't seem that upset, and even though it has been 4 years I know I would still be crushed if it had been an accident. Killing someone you are supposed to love, and it being a complete accident would be so hard to deal with, and she seems like she is doing just fine. I think she did it on purpose, I think she was mad and upset and she planned it when she left the first time. Everyone makes mistakes when they are angry, but she was 17 at the time, thats old enough to know the consequences. I have a daughter and if she were on the other end like daniel, I would want someone to pay for their crime, but on the other hand what is keeping her in jail going to solve? She will have to live with what she did, but why take away two lifes when you don't have to? If one family is suffereing from the loss, why make another, they will suffer either way.... 

 
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