Topic : 03/16 Cheerleader Scandal

We do know she is claiming that her daughter in the avatar is in fact Daniels Daughter.  We know from her profile she is married with three children ( 2 which are not Daniels).  She has in fact moved on with her life. 

IMO, she has everything to loose at this point if it was determined that she lied that night and that her role that night may have been more than what she has professed. 

We also know that she is not in contact with Daniels family and that Daniels family has nothing to do with this little girl.  Why?  I don't know.  But it was made clear on the show that Daniels mother does not accept this girl as Daniels daughter - her granddaughter.  

It could well be, that having married and moved on, that Stephanie is coming on here attempting to engratiate herself to this family and get reinvolved in their life. 

It could also be that Stephanie has not grown and still feels the compulsion to remain in the middle of a crisis - any crisis. 

I do agree with you about the forgiveness, but I get the impression that because people here believe she intentionally hit Daniel with the car that THEY will not be happy until Brandi - lying or truthful - tells them what they want to hear, that it was intentional. 

The reality is that as much as some of us like to play amateur detective ... (myself included, somtimes) ... the reality is that we do not know what really happened.  We have a lot of supposition and conjecture floating around on this board.   

For instance, based on news accounts, Stepanie was 20 years old at the time.  Just another fact in cyberspace that is available.   So you don't have two teenage girls fighting at the time .... as has been assumed on this board. 

And we do not have any indication that anyone was cheating on anyone else.   Oh, I know that some on this board have put one and one together and added that up to cheating .. but you could be adding wrong.  There are many times when people reenter each others' lives.   

And just because a grandparent is not involved with a grandchild does not mean that the child is not biologically his or hers.  My brother and father were estranged for years.  Were my brothers' children still grandchildren all those years?  Absolutely.  Was there any relationship developed over all those years?  None whatsoever.  So if my brother passed away ... it would not be a given that my father would reenter those children's lives.  Now if you knew my dad during all those years he would still tell you he had X number of children and x number of grandchildren (always including my brother and his children in the number).  He could even give details about the family from things he gathered when we were together.  People living in the city where my Dad lived probably assumed that he had a good relationship with all his children and grandchildren.  They probably, and some did, put two and two together and got four ... but in our family's instance .. they were WRONG!  There was a time in our lives when my brother and his wife were the second guardians in line if anything happened to my husband and me.  And then when the estrangement occurred we changed the will.  Not because I didn't love my brother.  Not because I didn't think he and his wife would be good parents.  But because I wanted my children to know their grandparents - all of them - and I knew that wouldn't happen as long as the estrangement existed.  Things just aren't always as they seem.   

And demanding that any of the players answer all of our questions is really just that - a demand.  They don't owe us explanations.  They don't owe us answers 

There is someone on another topic demanding that people answer his/her post ... answer all his/her questions.  This poster has deduced that the nonresponse to his/her questions means that no one can answer his/her questions or that anyone else's opinions could stand up to the test of his questions.  It is almost funny to watch as he posts and reposts the same questions - daring people to respond.  But it is sad too. 

So as much as we would like to solve this 'mystery' ... we all know that rarely do things get tied up in neat little packages like on CSI, Law & Order, etc.  Real life is huge.  

The reality is that as much as some of us like to play amateur detective ... (myself included, somtimes) ... the reality is that we do not know what really happened.  We have a lot of supposition and conjecture floating around on this board.   

For instance, based on news accounts, Stepanie was 20 years old at the time.  Just another fact in cyberspace that is available.   So you don't have two teenage girls fighting at the time .... as has been assumed on this board. 

And we do not have any indication that anyone was cheating on anyone else.   Oh, I know that some on this board have put one and one together and added that up to cheating .. but you could be adding wrong.  There are many times when people reenter each others' lives.   

And just because a grandparent is not involved with a grandchild does not mean that the child is not biologically his or hers.  My brother and father were estranged for years.  Were my brothers' children still grandchildren all those years?  Absolutely.  Was there any relationship developed over all those years?  None whatsoever.  So if my brother passed away ... it would not be a given that my father would reenter those children's lives.  Now if you knew my dad during all those years he would still tell you he had X number of children and x number of grandchildren (always including my brother and his children in the number).  He could even give details about the family from things he gathered when we were together.  People living in the city where my Dad lived probably assumed that he had a good relationship with all his children and grandchildren.  They probably, and some did, put two and two together and got four ... but in our family's instance .. they were WRONG!  There was a time in our lives when my brother and his wife were the second guardians in line if anything happened to my husband and me.  And then when the estrangement occurred we changed the will.  Not because I didn't love my brother.  Not because I didn't think he and his wife would be good parents.  But because I wanted my children to know their grandparents - all of them - and I knew that wouldn't happen as long as the estrangement existed.  Things just aren't always as they seem.   

And demanding that any of the players answer all of our questions is really just that - a demand.  They don't owe us explanations.  They don't owe us answers 

There is someone on another topic demanding that people answer his/her post ... answer all his/her questions.  This poster has deduced that the nonresponse to his/her questions means that no one can answer his/her questions or that anyone else's opinions could stand up to the test of his questions.  It is almost funny to watch as he posts and reposts the same questions - daring people to respond.  But it is sad too. 

So as much as we would like to solve this 'mystery' ... we all know that rarely do things get tied up in neat little packages like on CSI, Law & Order, etc.  Real life is huge.  

No.  We don't know what happened that night and we never will. 

Yes, Steph was in fact 20 and from newspaper accounts there was fighting between Brandi and Stephanie. 

Based on Stephanies statement it does appear that cheating was indeed the case. 

Biologically the grandchild may be Daniels.  However, Daniels mother emphatically stated that she would never have grandchildren by Daniel.  This shows she, for whatever reason, does not claim this girl as her granddaughter (which I personally find very tragic). 

I hope it does not appear that i've been demanding answers from anyone.  Would I like to have answers?  Sure.  Everyone would.  It is soley their discreation as to whether or not they choose to answer. 

And you're right.  How nice it would be if we could tie things up in that nice neat little package - and in a one hour time frame.  But, such is life. 

I'm not sure I understand why I find this case so compelling, but I've found myself spending way too much time reading all of the available online news accounts and Circuit Court docket info on it.  I'm amazed that people are attempting to sleuth the "real answer" to what happened based on information the families gave on a one hour television show.   Brandi's dad wrote in to Dr. Phil because he and his family don't believe Brandi belongs in jail.   Daniel's family was probably contacted out of the blue, several years after the death and trial, by Dr. Phil's staff and told that Brandi's family feels Brandi was unfairly convicted and asked if they wanted to also come on and give their side of the story.  I can't imagine the caught between a rock and a hard place position it must have been for them to feel compelled to come on national TV.   And then to have people they don't even know opining whether their son committed suicide or brought his death upon himself somehow.  It's pretty clear to me that prosecutors who had a first hand look at the evidence felt that Brandi intended to kill Daniel.  One article states: "One Nov. 22, 2000 in Clay County I drove my car in a manner knowing that it was practically certain to cause the death of David Mize," Drumheller admitted in a statement made to the court Nov. 21, a day before the anniversary of Mize's death.  Brandi's family, in hindsight, wants to quibble about whether "practically certain" means it was an accident.  Daniel's family, who didn't write the letter to Dr. Phil and attempt to re-write the events,  seems to want people to remember and focus, as the court did, on the "knowing" part.