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Created on : Friday, October 07, 2005, 03:44:27 pm
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How do you know when it's time to kick that relationship to the curb? Dr. Phil's first guest is four months pregnant with her boyfriend's baby. He wants her to leave him alone, and she wants to know if she should let go of the relationship.What does Dr. Phil think? Next, Dr. Phil follows-up with two women whose marriages were in crisis. Sheila's husband, Steve, was a raging alcoholic. She would beat him when he was drunk, almost killing him. Did she take Dr. Phil's advice? And where is Steve now? Then, Michelle was living a cycle of abuse at the hands of her husband. Did she finally say, "No more," to the violence? Dr. Phil has advice for knowing when it's time to get out. Can you relate? Share your story.

 

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October 14, 2005, 3:27 pm PDT

What are the other "deal breakers" ?

 Hi Guys,

I watched the show today with ALOT of anticipation; hoping to find answers.  But I was left with alot of questions. I was in an abusive (verbal abuse and very controlling) relationship for ten years and finally broke free. I met my current boyfriend almost two years ago and things were great,,, until alot of stuff happened that changed everything.

I won't get into all the details, but it happens that my boyfriend's ex was also extremely controlling of him. Worse, SHE STILL IS. They share a beautiful 3 year old girl together and the mother uses that poor child constantly to manipulate her father. Needless to say, we are now in court seeking custody :) But the tension of all this, added to a few other crisis lately, is just tearing us apart. And here is where my worry is: Through ALL of this, I have done what any good woman shood do: stood by my man. I accepted his child whole heartedly, never spoke negatively of her mother if she was around, accepted to go to court and seek custody and have her with us if it is in her best interest. I have also stood by him through all the other crisis that have happened in the past year,,,,,,,

but I also went through a horrendous year myself and just recently lost my mother to Breast Cancer. My nerves are frayed, I am upset all the time, I am anxious, and I am a teacher too so work is no place to relaxe believe me haha!  My boyfriend was never there for me when I needed him, except of course at Mother's funeral that was a given and I am grateful. But everything else he left me to deal with alone. He stated he could not support me because he had his own stuff to deal with. I can understand that, I am going through hell myself. I wonder how he would feel if I told him the same.

I love this man to death and have no doubt this relationship could work if we both put ourselves into it. But so far, he has abandoned me in the times when I needed him the most. What can I do to change this,,, or IS it going to change?

Would welcome any and EVERY opinion and thanks to all for reading :)
Nathalie
 
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October 14, 2005, 3:31 pm PDT

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Coming from a family or divorced parents, I know what its like to be in a juggled relationship.  I've seen abuse, I've been on the receiving end of abuse and I WON"T let me daughter go through that.  Her daddy is a good man and does his best to support us, but the way he talks to us is demeaning and hurtful. He calls her names like sissy, wench, hagg, hethen etc.  I try and tell him she needs to learn respect and that the way he talks to her isnt what she needs to hear and shes not going to grow up respecting him.  Shes 19 months old  and he acts like she should be talking completely and never whining. I have a degree in Early childhood Education, and that means nothing to him. His parenting skills are right/better because he's instilling fear and hes raised kids before. (he was married and helped raised 2 kids prior to meeting me).  We arent married yet, and things need to get better before that day comes.  Abuse is abuse and there isnt an excuse for it.  Our children are the future and we need to protect them even if it means protecting them from the emotional/mental damage a parent might be causing.
 
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October 14, 2005, 3:31 pm PDT

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This message goes out to Rachel...bless your heart honey. I left my abuse fiance just three weeks ago. Although it doesn't sound that you were physically abused, emotion abuse is just as bad, if not worse. First of all, I would like to say that you are so beautiful on the outside and I bet that your heart is much more. I understand your pain honey. DO NOT let this immature son a ----- bring you down. You are so much better then he deserves, and one day he will figure this out, when it is too late. When he sees that you have moved on and free of his actions, thoughts, and immaturity. So many times women like "us" want so badly to be loved, that we could spend a lifetime trying to be someone for somebody that we are not. There comes a day when the fog clears and I pray that your day has come, or will come sooner rather than later. You have soooo many great qualities within. Even if you don't believe in that yet, keep telling yourself that everyday, eventually you will believe it, Rachel. Don't give up on yourself. Your baby will soon need you, strong and healthy. Your child will need all of your attention. If he doesn't want to be a part of that beautiful experience, he will have to explain his actions one day. There are so many people that will love your child, want to be there for your child, support your child, etc. I am reaching out to you because I know your confusion at this time. You feel with your heart and that is alright. So do your heart a favor...let it find happiness. Value yourself. If he can't keep his pants up, imagine the problems he will have in the future. Keep faith honey. Don't give up. You have the strength within to keep you going. I thought that I was so in love with this man. I have a 6 1/2 year old son...the apple of my eye. I am 26 years old. I have chronic endometriosis. I don't have a car, a job, a house. I have lost everything due to this past relationship. My son lives with his father...thank the lord for that blessing. I was physically, emotionally, verbally, and spiritually abused by him for the past three years. My hair was ripped out of my head, face beaten, legs, stomach (which was already in pain due to the endo.) I could not see my family, friends. He would lie to me all of the time. Say the meanist things you could imagine. I lived in fear everyday of my life. The last straw was when he pulled out a meat cleaver and chased me around our home. I had to leave him with what I was wearing. That was all. I had to go to the police station and call my mother who lived almost 2 hours away from me. I now live with her. Somedays it feels as though I am a burden to her, but I keep in mind that I was a bigger burden to her living there with him by making her worry every second of every day. She was afraid everytime the phone would ring that it was the worst phone call that she would ever recieve, the morgue. She would have to go and try to identify a body so beaten up and claim that this was the lifeless body of her only daughter and that this would be the last time she would see me. I am doing alright at this time. I struggle each day, but I don't have to struggle to keep breathing to see a new day. I know that in time, at least I tell myself this, that in time, I will be truly happy with myself. Nobody can do this for me. Like I said, I have only been out of this relationship for three weeks, and 1 day today. I will survive this, and if I can do this, Rachel...you surely can. If you ever would like to talk, you can e-mail me at makahineyho@yahoo.com I will respond to you that very day. I could always use a new friend as I don't have very many anymore. I hope that what I have wrote will hit you somewhere. Just know that you are loved and thought of. I will pray for you as well. Heather from Nebraska
Heather, I applaud you for your courage to leave your situation and to take care of you.   If you every need a friend you can contact me at licoirce1973@aol.com. Shawna
 
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October 14, 2005, 3:31 pm PDT

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Someday,  possibly with the HELP of Dr. Phil,  High School Freshman will be required to take Marrige 101, followed by Parenting 101 in Sophmore year, followed by Crisis Resolution in Junior year and finally  Human Psychology 101 in Senior year. This will equipt future generations to follow, with a firm foundation on LIFE 101  !   I was married young. I had no clue how to handle any difficult situation because most people I knew had dysfunctional families too. There was no resource for wise wisdom to draw from.  This has been my life long goal to somehow get into the high school cirriculum program,  "Life Lessons 101".  Is there any doubt in anyones mind why the divorce rate is so high ?  Why so many children are neglected and abused  ?  Why the rate of depression is at an all time high ?  It's because nobody knows what on earth to do !!!!!    It's that simple. 

  

Of all educational courses, " Life 101" should be paramount in teaching young teens how to manage their lives, how and when to raise healthy children and  basic psychology to interact positively with spouses, employers and their own children !   Please Dr. Phil,  help bring this idea to successful fuition. The world WILL BE a much better place for all,  if we had been given the proper tools to achieve a happy, rewarding  Life !      

  

My definition of success is ( because you always ask that )   "Success"  is leaving this world a better place because I have helped just one person have a better life !  My love counted. 

Thanks teacher !   You have touched many lives, keep up the momentum, but please add a lasting 

impact on society, teach this all,  in school ........Patty 

  

 I don't know if you meant this to be kind of funny or not, but I actually think that's a brilliant idea!  Marriage and parenting are the hardest jobs in the world!
 
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October 14, 2005, 3:38 pm PDT

Seeing from the outside in is never comparable to the inside out....

I once was in a mentally abusive relationship where my partner had cheated on me for 6 months (he'd done alot more then cheated, but I will not go into detail) straight and all the signs were there, but I was blind to look at them because all i wanted was to hold onto the hope that it wasn't happening, and that my 6 month old baby at the time, would be able to keep her father.... after my ex partner had left and come back numerouse times, spending money outside the home on himself and his "friends" and left the bills to build, appoligizing repeatedly for things he'd done... Altho he'd never once, and still doesn't admit to having an affair... My family and friends watched me deteriorate and become depressed and slipping ferther and ferther away ignoring reality... Thankfully, finally one day something snapped and I saw everything so clearly thanks to my friends and family, I left him because I'd decided that my daughter and I deserved a better life, and my daughter needed me happy to take care of her and keep her happy more then she needed her parents together...

We are doing awesome now, I am way stronger then I could ever be.. My daughter is happy, and so am I.. There is life after abuse weather it be physical or mental and all I can say is if your in it, get out of it... If you have a child in it think of how it will affect your child/children, are they better off with or without???  And loved one's, watch them, they are your biggest cue if you can't see through the fog.

I commend those with the strength to step back and step out when needed, I truely do. Hope can be used in many ways, my advice, don't use it to make your abusive partner what you want him/her to be, use it to live your life and be happy and taking care of yourself and family. :)

Blessed Be
 
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October 14, 2005, 3:41 pm PDT

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I have to say that I think Sheila is someone very familiar to me. Not that I have done that, but I could see the anger in her and in my opinion, she is angry FROM BEING A CO-DEPENDENT of an alcoholic! I am an adult child of an alcoholic and I KNOW that anger! It comes from deep inside because you feel HELPLESS to change the situation. You feel helpless because there is nothing that you do or say that will change the behavior of the addict. So you do the lashing out whether it be beating or verbal abuse or both to the addict and others. I have seen this and experienced it in my childhood..... In my opinion, I wonder if she is a child of an alcoholic/addict of some sort? I know when my spouse used to have even one drink I would get angry, not because he drank, but because it brought up my fear as a child of an alcoholic(s)......I would think, oh no here we go again. Even though he was not an alcoholic. It came from my childhood experiences. I have to tell Sheila, unfortunately, I was one of your daughters. My sisters and I were your children!!! We lived it. NOW, 2 of my sisters are addicts, one is the ultimate over acheiver and in denial...3 of us are obese. All 4 but me, has been divorced and married or remarried to... a rapist, a drug dealer, a doper/drunk/ (more than one), abusers and 3 of the 5 can't seem to get a man to treat them well or leave abusive situations,and all of us has made really poor decisions to get the hell out of that household, way too young. I want to tell you something that has changed me for the rest of my life!!!!!!! ON my 9th Birthday, which is 31 years ago October 15, 2005 (tomorrow), My dad who was an alcoholic came home in a rage during my 9th Birthday party with all my little friends there. He had learned at the bar that my mom also an alcoholic, had screwed around on him with as many as 7 men while he was working. A man at the bar told him his wife was a good ##ck.....He was coming home driving wildly and I saw him out the window. For some reason I KNEW something was wrong. I ran out just in time to save my little sister (who he did not see) on her trike form being ran over by my raging dad. He pulled my mom out of the house by her hair, in front of me, my 2 year old sister, and all my friends. He dragged her out behind a combine and beat her senseless. He was screaming at her and beating her to get the names of the men. He was smashing her face with his fists. I saw it, I heard it....... I grabbed his arm and screamed and cried, Daddy, Daddy, why are you doing this? He said she screwed around on me and if you don't let go of my arm you are next..... To be beaten....So I let go. He would have killed he if not for my grandpa yelling at my dad to stop and jolted my dad out of the rage......... I felt this happened to ME not just my mom. WHY did they (he) do this to ME?! I still have feelings of not being important enough to them and that they really must not have loved me to do this to ME ON MY BIRTHDAY AND IN FRONT OF MY FRIENDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!THIS still affects me to this day!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I still feel unimportant to everyone! Deep inside that little girl, feels this everyday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have had and still go to counseling for these issues and it does help, but it should have been as a child........ Please get your daughters help, because I know from my own life and experiences, they are affected from BOTH yours and your husbands abuse. You were not only the abuser, he was an abusive parent for being an alcoholic! Just seeing your parent a flat out drunk.....IS ABUSE in itself! I just wanted you to know my opinion and maybe give you a little insight on what your daughters may experience being they have witnessed what they have. Children of abuse and alcoholics feel like it IS their fault. It is because we are bad little kids or because we did something to make them angry or we didn't do something right so it was our fault they got drunk. We also feel helpless in the situation. I know for myself, I feel like I am never smart enough or good enough for a job, or other people and that things that go wrong are probably my fault. However, intellectually, I KNOW I am smart and everything is NOT my fault, but I have to fight that abused scared little girl inside all the time and so do my sisters!!!!!!.......I feel for you!!!!!!!! YOU CAN DO IT AND HELP YOUR GIRLS, TOO!
 My mom was the abuser. She of course was an alcoholic, so was my dad ,but passive. She beat my dad and my 2nd step-dad, I remember one fight she took her high heel shoes and hit my  1st stepdad, she made 4 holes in his head there was blood all over the house, he has died since and is in a better place ( he really loved me he was the only one in my lifethat never hurt me I miss him everyday ( the 1st was real bad he beat all of us, mostly me). My brother lives in California on the streets or in jail, and he beat his x-wife and my mom, molested his own daughter. The kids are the ones who pay the price.
 
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October 14, 2005, 3:43 pm PDT

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my husband plays NASCAR every waking moment he is at home.  He does not drink, He does not abuse me or my two boys, He doesn't do ANYTHING, but play NASCAR.  He is emotionally bankrupt.  I have finally decided in the last two months that I won't give a damn either!  I do him exactly how he does me.  I ignore him, I only answer when spoken to, I don't tell him good night, I just go to bed, etc.  Makes me feel better, and the days more bareable.  It hurts so deep down it makes you sick.  I know exactly how you feel.  I have been married for 15 years and I have given it all for ALL of those 15 years.  The other people who responded do not understand how it feels to be totally shut out of your husband's life.  On one hand you feel selfish for feeling this way, and one hand you "think" you should be grateful to have a working husband, not a bum.  But you are like roommates, and it is not what you want for your life, or your children's. 

Good Luck, I have no answers, if I did, I would definitely try it.  Just know I know EXACTLY how you feel.  You are not alone. 

 I just want to say one thing I feel I need to say, I am not criticizing you for your decision but please keep in mind that your children learn what they see, there may be no abuse but ignoring eachother and only hearing eacfhother teaches your children that that's how a man should treat a woman and a woman should treat a man in any situation........

Blessed Be
 
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October 14, 2005, 3:48 pm PDT

Re: Shiela

  

  Hmmm, I really do not understand Shiela's perspective on her broken down relationship with her husband.  

  

  Yes, I know he is an alcoholic to the extreme of alcoholism, although she feels that he is not holding his part of the deal because he denies treatment and continues drinking ? 

  

  Wait a minute here, she continously and rather fiercly physically attacked him, even when he was blacked out. She took advantage of the fact that he refused to defend himself. 

  

  Violence is never a good thing but when a women displays such violence it has to be symptomatic of something very pathologically disturbing because on average very very few women resort to such violent actions out of rage. 

  

  Sheila's not angry anymore only because she does not have to control her temper in the face of her alcoholic husband. She should realize this reality of healing is false, I am willing to bet if she was back with her husband should would revert to er old violent behaviours. 

  

  She should be more understanding of her husband (I am definetly not saying he is a saint) because she put him through a lot of trauma and he has to overcome an addiction at the same time. It will take him longer guaranteed, she should take some of the responsibility for her violent effect upon her husbands well being. 

 
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October 14, 2005, 3:53 pm PDT

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Well, to start off with, I have been married for 16 yrs....we have 2 sons...15 and 12. My husband and I married when he was 19 and I was 22. We were "in love"....or so I thought. I soon got pregnant and had my first son not even a year after we got married. It was only then that I found out that my husband was jealous of our son. He has been this way my childs whole life...and he makes it well known. He withholds love from him...he criticizes him...anything to make him feel less of a human. He does not treat our youngest son this way....at least no where near as much or as bad....he is also jealous of my relationship with my oldest son. My husband has cheated on my twice that I know of....the first time was about 10 years ago....the 2nd time was this past may june and july....well i found all the phone calls on my phone bill where he was calling an "old school friend".......so i have kicked him out twice...and each time he crys to me and begs me to let him come back...and i do...and then the pattern returns....He's ususally always in a bad mood...he works 3rd shift and usually goes 1-2 months with no days off...he is a workaholic so to speak i guess.....so i know he's tired but that does not excuse the behavior in my opinion. He has been to several therapists...been on many different medications...which he doesn't stick to. He admits he has a problem...admits he knows what he's doing when he's mean to me and the boys.....he is just an unhappy person and wants all of my attention all the time. We are currently in therapy together now....we just started this week. I have thought long and hard about this and don't know why i seem to feel sorry for him...i think it's because his parents are the one who raised him this way and treated him the exact same way...i try to make him see what he is doing to our kids....especially the oldest as he is already showing signs of being the same way.....I would just like an opinion here as to what you may think of this situation. Thanks for any replies.....
 Your children learn what they see as you can see in your oldest son, and in my opinion to let anyone treat your child that way is sad, I really mean no offence.  My thoughts on this is you cannot change someone who doesn't want to change, and it doesn't sound like he want's to change, not for you, not for your children who suffer from this. Children mold their relationship veiws around their parents, and i guess the question here is would you want your sons treating other women like this?  Or being treated like this?  He won't see till he wants to... Save yourself and your children, show them how a woman should truely be treated, and how a man should truely treat a woman and vica versa...
Blessed Be, I hope this helps.
 
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October 14, 2005, 4:14 pm PDT

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I am happy to hear that Michelle is doing well.  You know what bothered me more than anything about their appearance on the first show was that:  AARON LAUGHED when all this was being brought up. 
 
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