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Topic : 06/06 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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(Original Air Date: 10/19/05) Sexual orientation used to be something kept hidden from family and co-workers, but now more and more people are "coming out" and finding acceptance. Anjela says her mother and sister don't support her sexual orientation, and feel she can't be Christian and gay at the same time. Can they reconcile this touchy issue? Then, two men debate whether a person can go from gay to straight, and parents of a 4-year-old boy fear their son's desire to play with dolls and wear heels means he'll grow up to be gay. Are they overreacting to his wishes to be a princess instead of a prince? Talk about gender and gay issues here.


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October 17, 2005, 3:54 pm PDT

To Each Their Own

Whatever happened to letting a person worry about their own sexuality and their own religious beliefs?  I think that we worry too much about another person's personal lives, etc.  I mean it is certainly okay to care about other people, but when you take it so far as to start pushing your religion, you have went too far.  And as far as their personal sexuality, that is their business.  You have to answer for your choices and they have to answer for theirs.  Let them be at peace with their decisions and be at peace with your own. 

  

 
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October 17, 2005, 4:02 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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Whatever happened to letting a person worry about their own sexuality and their own religious beliefs?  I think that we worry too much about another person's personal lives, etc.  I mean it is certainly okay to care about other people, but when you take it so far as to start pushing your religion, you have went too far.  And as far as their personal sexuality, that is their business.  You have to answer for your choices and they have to answer for theirs.  Let them be at peace with their decisions and be at peace with your own. 

  

Ah, a breath of fresh air from Kentucky. Thank you. I still disagree that sexual orientation, which I define was what gender someone is attracted to, could possibly be a "choice" in any way (I'm straight, but unmarried and a virgin, and inactive. But I'm still heterosexual. Is that a choice?), I am glad to see your message about being nonjudgemental. 

  

I get very annoyed when I see people saying that " 'choosing' to 'live that lifestyle' is giving the middle finger to God". Besides the whole belief that gender attraction is a choice, there's also the fact that not everyone believes in your God, since after all, it cannot be proven to exist. If you believe in a certain religion, fine, but you can't make the whole world think like you. And when you act belligerent, you only turn people away. How about living by example instead? Let actions rather than harsh, hateful words, show that you feel your beliefs are something to embrace. 

 

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October 17, 2005, 4:08 pm PDT

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I was raised in the very same way that my brothers and sisters were. While my late older brother was sexually active with guys until he was in his early 20s and got married at age 24, neither my younger brother nor my two sisters, one older than me and the other younger, is homosexual in their sexual orientation.  

  

When we played indoors as children growing up, we boys often played with our sisters and their dolls, too. 

  

But, when we played outdoors, our sisters played with our cars and trucks, and other supposedly "boy's toys" right along with us.  

  

Oh, I quit "organized religion" a long time ago. "Religion" in proper explanation is a set of rules humans, one or more, made up as to how one is supposed to live. But, salvation and spirituality in Jesus the Christ is living according how the Holy Spirit tells you how to live your own life.  

  

Spirituality has to do with one's attitude toward one's higher power, whether on the inside or above, towards one's environment, towards others around one and one's attitude towards one's own self.  

  

My parents nor any other human being is the cause of my sexual orientation being exclusively homosexual. I tried to date women and even hoped to marry one to supposedly make myself "spiritually complete" as a person according to what was taught in the churches I attended during the first 40 years of my life. 

  

But, I became complete spiritually when I accepted Jesus into my heart when I was 8 years old and I did that by my own choice. My parents were both Believers, aka "Christians" in Jesus and did not demand that we believe like they did. In fact, they taught us to study the Bible on our own outside of our daily family Bible study and prayer times and outside of going to church services.  

  

One's sexual orientation, especially for men, is determined by toward whom and where in his own body he experiences physiological sexual attraction ("PSA") sensations. "Physiological" means 'in the person's body" and not in the brain.  

  

For NORMAL men or boys even, they experience those physiological sexual attraction sensations below-the-waist, behind-the-pubic-bone, in-the-area-of-the-prostate when another person is in the immediate area and his body is telling him that other person might be sexually compatible. If the "PSA" is directed to a woman or girl close by, he is experiencing a heterosexual sexual attraction. 

  

If the PSA is directed toward another man (or another boy for minors), he is experiencing a homosexual sexual attraction. 

  

So, for those who experience only opposite gender PSAs, they are exclusively heterosexual in their sexual orientation. 

  

And for those who experience only same gender PSAs, they are exclusively homosexual in their sexual orientation. 

  

Those who experience PSAs to both genders are definitely bisexual in their sexual orientation. One can experience only one PSA toward a member of the opposite sex while all the rest of them are toward the same sex and still be a bisexual.  

  

Now, there are people who are addicted to a variety of pornography and do get sexually aroused by it and that has no connection with sexual orientation. Addiction of this type occurs in the Brain, not in the body. Men can like homosexual pornography but yet be turned off with the idea of have same-gender sexual activity.  

  

Oh, members of this message board forum should be paying attention that Dr. Phil also is a Believer in Jesus the Christ. But, sometimes, I think that he should not be using non-Christ-like expressions when he talks, such as "What in the hell were you thinking?" And using the word "ass" when referring to someone's behind.  

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October 17, 2005, 4:09 pm PDT

gay people

So what should be do with people that are different than the so called norm people in this society? Gay, straight, whatever, they have a right to live on this Earth without being tormented, killed, or harrassed. The holier than thou people use the Bible, as an excuse to hurt people that are different than the so called normal people in this society.I am sick of the Bible Thumping religious, I say Live and Let Live in PEACE.  

 
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October 17, 2005, 4:36 pm PDT

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It is human nature to explain. Explain where we came from, explain who we are and why. This is what separates us from animals; confusion, curiosity and the need for explanation. I am not a religious person. Some people would tell me I'm wrong, i just haven't found god. I would respectfully disagree, but would never attempt to tell them their beliefs are wrong, simply because i find meaning in my life in another way. EVERYONE has the right to believe what they choose, just as everyone has the RIGHT to be who they ARE! Just as being straight isn't a choice to those who are, neither is being gay, bi-sexual, lesbian, transsexual, trans gender etc. I am bi-sexual, I define it this way because of society's need to explain and define, but I myself hate labels. I have spent the last four years sorting through all my own confusion to find myself, and can trace that confusion back to junior high. I don't see a difference romantically between men and women. We are all just people. One day I will meet the person I am meant to spend my life with (man or woman), society calls this being bi-sexual. I would also like to marry this person, but that debate should be left for another day. 

  

Society has a hard time separating gender (Man and Woman) from sex (Male and Female) which has made life very hard for feminine men who AREN'T gay and/or lesbians who don't fit into the butch stereotype, etc. I once had a guy I was dating say to me " but you look so straight..." We did not go out again! I am not trying to offend anyone. My immediate family knows who I am, as do my close friends. I have a boyfriend at the moment, but that does not make me straight. My point is that it doesn't make me anything. If I wanted to call myself "omni-sexual" and say i love everyone for who they are not their physical sex or gender, that is no one's business but my own. And if I were religious, I would still feel this way, because, as I've been told, god loves me for WHO I AM. Those who don't know me don't have the right to judge simply because they don't understand. No one is asking you to understand, just accept. 

  

I encourage people to talk. I really feel the un-straight statistic is a lot higher than we presently think it to be. Only until people feel comfortable being who they are will society change on a whole, but we are well on our way. 

 
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October 17, 2005, 7:06 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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I will never truly understand why people say that being gay is heritary; I say (and strongly believe) that it's a choice.  Now as for this young lady who is stating that she's gay and a Christian is like saying that oil and water do mix.  Her parents should still love her dispite this, and if they are also Christians (I hope born-again Christians), they should know that Jesus wants them to do just that.  I will be praying that this young lady will understand that she is ripping Jesus' heart into pieces with her choice of homosexuality, yet He will still keep on loving her.  I strongly believe that homosexuality is a sin and that this young lady needs to repent and change her ways.  If she's been hiding these feelings for a long time, they have more than likely taken deep roots and will take a long time to transplant.  If this is so, she should get some good, Christian counseling (preferrably within her church) and start the long process of reteaching herself and retraining her thoughts.  If there is one thing that I'd like to say to her it would be that God still loves her.  He doesn't like her choices, but He loves her nonetheless.  That's why He sent Jesus to earth, to live among, and to die for our sins.  That's why this is going to be a topic that will generate a lot of talking.

If this is so, she should get some good, Christian counseling (preferrably within her church) and start the long process of reteaching herself and retraining her thoughts 

  

Sounds an awful lot like brainwashing to me... in fact, having undergone that prescribed path once before, I know it doesn't just SOUND like brainwashing.  God in heaven knew what he was doing when he made homosexuals, and He isnt swooping down to fix his little "mess-ups"  Trying to force "change" on a gay person only does serious pyschological damage, is ineffective, and causes further harm down the road when the person tries marrying and having kids, and realizes nothing has "changed." 

 
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October 17, 2005, 7:13 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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When I was in high school in the late 70s, I knew of no one who admitted they were gay (gay = male  & /or female) or bisexual. Actually there were only maybe 2 of 1000 students who were even rumored to be possibley gay.  

  

I am not trying to offend anyone however I am confused and am trying to understand. I believe each person should have the right to be who they are... more power to him/her! 

  

I do question what seems to me to be an increase of bisexuality and homosexuality today. Were there really that many people before & they just did not come out or has it just happened that more are born with the genetics or is it the power of suggestion from t.v., etc.  

  

I also wonder if it is true that a person knows at an age earlier than 15/16 that they are bisexual? And how can this be possible because how do you know that you are attracted sexually to both sexes at that young of an age?  Obviously I am straight and a female in my 40s and I am attracted to women for whom I'd like to have friendships not sexual though. Is it perhaps because sex happens at an earlier age these days and the youngsters find out earlier.  I really wonder what most people think about this or if any studies show the truths.  

  

I am amazed at the number of high school and middle school girls who say they are bisexual and/ or lesbians. I know because I work in a school environment and their sexual preferences are  not held back.   

  

I really intend to not hurt anyone but to educate myself and not be confused.  Thank you and peace to all! 

  

As it becomes more and more acceptable and less dangerous for students to admit their same sex feelings, they begin to do so at an earlier age.  Also reasons for earlier ages for coming out includes the realization that their are other like them and they are not alone in their feelings.
 
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October 17, 2005, 7:16 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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God does not hate gays, he hates SIN and homosexuality is just that.  We are not  born gay as many studies try to make one believe, we are however born into SIN and each of us have the opportunity to make a choice in following Satan or following God.   Many will perish because they choose to have their ears tickled with false doctrine and not follow the scriptures as laid out for every man, regardless of their race.  God is a loving God, but He will not allow SIN to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.   

  

It will be interesting to see what stand Dr. Phil takes on this, will it be from a medical stand point or what he truly believes in his heart or from the Bible.  Will Robin be able to have her opinion aired on this program?   

  

Some people watch television only to know how to live their lives, this is a big opportunity for Dr. Phil and others to not be critical of the lifestyles chosen by man, but to be able to show true Christian love and hand others the light of salvation and a way of holiness living for their lives. 

  

        

From what is already stated on this website, I'm under the impression that Dr. Phil's stance is in aline with the APA standards, which acknowledges that homosexuality is not at all a sort of deviant behavior.
 
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October 17, 2005, 7:42 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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From what is already stated on this website, I'm under the impression that Dr. Phil's stance is in aline with the APA standards, which acknowledges that homosexuality is not at all a sort of deviant behavior.
Homosexuality a Learned Behavior?
Christine: My 22-year-old daughter is in a relationship with a woman. I don't believe she is a lesbian. Could this be a form of rebellion and a result of getting in with the "wrong" crowd? Can homosexuality be learned and unlearned?

Dr. Phil: Homosexuality is not a learned behavior. A sexual orientation is inherited; you are wired that way. Certainly some people will experiment with a gay lifestyle, and a gay person might experiment with a heterosexual one. If she is really gay, she will find a place in that life and in that community. The important thing is that you just love her through that. What difference does it make if she is gay? Accept her, support her and do not be judgmental. It is difficult enough for her to live openly and honestly in this society; don't put your judgment on top of that.
 
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October 17, 2005, 9:27 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

I am bisexual and it is probally the hardest thing i have ever dealt with in my life i am 20 years old and secretly dated a girl for 3 years.  It started off as harmless play and then became serious and i really fell in love with her.  It started when i was 15 and my close friends knew about it and said that i would get over it and it was all a phase of experimentation.  I wanted to believe that so bad because i relized the person i fell in love with was not someone i wanted to fall in love with i want that raditional mom dad kids family.  I dont know why i wanted that so bad, but needless to say me and the girl believed that at 15-18 we were not ready to tell our families about it, my family is catholic and we werent sure how her family would react.  We had a huge fear that i would never be able to spend the night at her house again or see her again.  I hypathetcally asked my mother one day if i was gay would she still love me.  I realized when i recieved her anwser that i could never tell.  She told me that she would always love me, but i could not live at home with her because christian households do not have gay children.  I didnt know what to say so i nodded my head in agreement with her.  I still love that girl so much and i dont think i will ever not, but neither of us can have a relationship so it sucks cause we dont even really talk anymore it is really hard.  Everytime we do hangout old feelings come flowing back and we will spend a night together have a good time and wake up in the morning realizing things cant happen between us.  So maybe it isnt being bisexual thats hard, but realizing i cant be bisexual is the hard part.  A lot of my friends made the suggestion to follow my heart, but that is so much easier said then done.  My mom actually found out from my sister and didnt kick me outta the house, but the look on her face was terrible.  Even though i am not completely lesbian i unsterstand the struggles of being gay and having to keep it a secret. 
 
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