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Topic : 06/06 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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Created on : Friday, October 14, 2005, 03:56:41 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/19/05) Sexual orientation used to be something kept hidden from family and co-workers, but now more and more people are "coming out" and finding acceptance. Anjela says her mother and sister don't support her sexual orientation, and feel she can't be Christian and gay at the same time. Can they reconcile this touchy issue? Then, two men debate whether a person can go from gay to straight, and parents of a 4-year-old boy fear their son's desire to play with dolls and wear heels means he'll grow up to be gay. Are they overreacting to his wishes to be a princess instead of a prince? Talk about gender and gay issues here.


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October 24, 2005, 11:56 am PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: april_lk

yes they are completely different. One is letigimate and the word of the God, the other is a book written by several illegitemate authors
 Why do you say the Koran is legitimate?  Are you Muslim?  Aren't you the one who said you were Anglican?  Anglicans certainly don't follow the Koran, they follow the Bible. 

What do you mean the authors were 'illegitimate"? 
 
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October 24, 2005, 12:01 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: rlanthier

Between 25% and 33% of relationships between lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender partners include abuse, a rate equal to that of heterosexual relationships, according to a report released today. Compiled by the National Coalition of Anti-Violence Programs (NCAVP), the report documents 3, 327 cases of such domestic violence in 1997.  

http://www.lambda.org/dv97.htm 

  

  

 Thank you for providing that statistic. 

So the abuse percentages are the same in non gay relationships as they are in heterosexual couples. 

That's a fair study as well, with over three thousand cases documented.   I'd accept that.  Now will everyone else? 


 
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October 24, 2005, 12:03 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: rlanthier

Your obsession with the sinfulness of an action that didn't even have a name and is barely mentioned is unlikely to be 'of God' and more likely to be 'of the culture'. 

The 'slot-A' into 'slot-B' mechanical view of sex makes anything but genital sex a perversion, whether it be heterosexual or otherwise.  That would mean there are a lot of married heterosexual perverts in this world. 

You beg the question that homosexuality is a choice and you ignore the presence of homosexuality in nature. 

  

The Greek word that gets translated to 'natural way' - means natural for the orientation of the partners in question - namely temple prostitutes - anything else is weaving a moral fiction. 

  

Again you beg the question that Christian life is bound to the Law and furthermore that the moral Law prohibits homosexuality -which you have not demonstrated, only pontificated upon as though you are a divine mouthpiece. 

  

You are immersed in pseudo-science (religion tends to do that) when you claim that sexual orientation is genetic. There is no such evidence. Even if there were, it would contradict your claim that homosexuality is a choice. 

  

  

  

  

  

  

 If it's 'unnatural' for a heterosexual person to have homosexual sex, how likely do you think they are to 'burn with passion'  while they are doing so.

I asked this before but didn't get an answer. 
 
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October 24, 2005, 12:06 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: april_lk

Amazing how you Christians never say I think, or I know, It's  

"The bible this"
"the Bible that"
"the Bibe the bible the bible" 

  

how dare you talk about having your heart in the right place when you're keeping a minority down. Hypocrisy is an ugly face. 

 Go through my posts.  You'll see me using "I think" and "I believe" many many times.  Now go through your own posts and tell me how many times you've used phrases like this.

Yes, hypocracy is ugly and irony is hilarious. 
 
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October 24, 2005, 12:08 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: rlanthier

People often make the claim that Adolph Hitler adhered to Atheism, Humanism or some ancient Nordic pagan mythology. None of these fanciful and wrong ideas hold. Although one of Hitler's henchmen, Alfred Rosenberg, did undertake a campaign of Nordic mythological propaganda, Hitler and most of his henchmen did not believe in it . 

Many American books, television documentaries, and Sunday sermons that preach of Hitler's "evil" have eliminated Hitler's god for their Christian audiences, but one only has to read from his own writings to appreciate that Hitler's God equals the same God of the Christian Bible. Hitler held many hysterical beliefs which not only include, God and Providence but also Fate, Social Darwinism, and ideological politics. He spoke, unashamedly, about God, fanaticism, idealism, dogma, and the power of propaganda. Hitler held strong faith in all his convictions. He justified his fight for the German people and against Jews by using Godly and Biblical reasoning. Indeed, one of his most revealing statements makes this quite clear: 

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord." 

 I don't care what kind of quotes you can come  up with.  As stated, he used his words to manipulate the Bible.  People lie.  Can you imagine for a moment that Adolph Hitler may have lied?  Hard to imagine but I think he did.

If he even thought he was a Christian (which he didn't) he wouldn't have killed himself. 
 
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October 24, 2005, 12:11 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: rlanthier

This is the usual argument - that those who profess to be Christians and do nasty things - arent' Christians - even if they claim to be- even if they are officials of a church. Nasty things like persecuting condemning gays when that is their only claim to being Christian.
 I don't persecute or condemn gays anyway.  I know that's not my job.  That's where i can't believe some of the people here on this message board.  I am here debating whether or not homosexuality is condoned in the Bible. 

I'm also here to learn, actually.  I find that debating is a fantastic way to learn. 


 
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October 24, 2005, 12:15 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: phaserbank

It comes down to what the Bible says about Homosexuality. I believe it speaks against homosexual sex (it is plain as day). You see those passages a different way. I disagree with your interpretations of those passages.
 Well, we're just not allowed to disagree! 

Not allowed to have these conversations. 

Not allowed to have a different point of view.  

(I agree with you by the way)


 
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October 24, 2005, 12:19 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: sboyd55

and for the pedosexual? 
 Can't you see?  They also are claiming now that they are born this way.  They don't want us to look down on them or condemn them.  They want us to believe they can't help themselves.

So who believes that pedophelia is something someone is born with?

I certainly do not.  I believe that your compulsions may be so strong that you feel like you don't have a choice but you do!  You've been beleiveing lies over and over again that you can't help but act on your impulses, but you hurt children when you do this and you will be judged!  God makes it clear that hurting a child will bring harsh punishment so go and get some help and now!


 
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October 24, 2005, 12:42 pm PDT

ain't it the truth

Quote From: mommyjenna

 How dare you say it can be overcome!!! 

(I'm kidding but that's the reaction you'll get on this forum)

Even though there are tens of thousands of gay turned straight people out there living victoriously.   Turn gay and they throw you a party.  Turn straight and they throw you some daggers.  And they call us hypocrites. 

Personally, I believe that the compulsion towards homosexuality for the homosexuals is so strong that it doesn't feel like a choice.  But they, like any of us, makes a choice every time we have sex. 

Of course they can't acknowledge the gays that have turned straight.  They also can't acknowledge that the pedosexuals use the exact same argument as they do to justify their lifestyle.  If two different groups use the same argument, how can one be right and one be wrong? 
 
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October 24, 2005, 12:56 pm PDT

God forbid

Quote From: mommyjenna

 Can't you see?  They also are claiming now that they are born this way.  They don't want us to look down on them or condemn them.  They want us to believe they can't help themselves.

So who believes that pedophelia is something someone is born with?

I certainly do not.  I believe that your compulsions may be so strong that you feel like you don't have a choice but you do!  You've been beleiveing lies over and over again that you can't help but act on your impulses, but you hurt children when you do this and you will be judged!  God makes it clear that hurting a child will bring harsh punishment so go and get some help and now!


Darling, I am NOT a pedophile.  My point is if homosexuals can clain they were born that way, then why do they look down on pedosexuals who say they were born that way? 

  

 I believe both are a choice, and God will judge both.  I agree with you. 

 
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