Topic : 06/06 "I'm Gay, OK?"

"It is not Christians that are doing this and please stop making that truly absurd claim unless you can prove it somehow. 

I'm sure at some point a gay person has beat up a straight person but who cares?  I'm not going to find that information and start claiming that gays are beating up on straights because that would be equally as absurd and unfair." 

I'm only going on historical record. many-gaybashings are perpetrated by people who claim to be christian. christians are responsible for the colonization of many many peoples. KKK members claim to be christian. If they claim to be christian, and use the bible to defend their actions, who am I to say they aren't christian? you say you're christian. many people on this board say hateful things about gay people and claim to be christian. who am I to say you guys aren't christian? (and I don't mean to lump you with the some of the others here - you've pretty well expressed your views without the hate and name-calling some of the others have employed). but you get my gist. if people say they're christian, I believe it. it's not my absurd claims at all. I think it's crazy that people say they are christian, follow a loving god etc, then say he/they hate/s all the gayness. but definitely not *my* absurd claim.  

re: your hypothetical situation...sure, if you were muslim, jewish, whatever, saying the same things, i would have a similar reaction (though I think 'hateful' a 'spewing venom' is a bit harsh). I may not be *as* upset because I don't have to deal the harm that muslim/jewish beliefs about homosexuality cause, the way I do christian beliefs, but yeah, if you were muslim, or atheist for that matter, and you were perpetuating a belief system that directly harmed children (and others), I'd have a pretty strong reaction. I'm not tryna be an ass cuz you're christian, I want equal rights, and children who have the opportunity to be accepted for who they are. currently, christianity is doing the most damage to gay/trans/whatever kids, and to the movement for equality, so I take particular issue with christianity - but only as long as it remains so dedicated to the oppression of gays. I'm prepared to lay of my negativity toward christianity, when it lays off the gays. 

if you're referring to me re: hateful outrageous claims, I have to disagree. sorry if I've been a little snappy - it's hard to keep you separate from some other posters here - but I definitely don't think my claims have been outrageous, and most definitely not hateful. sorry if they came across that way, but they are all very real issues to me. 

 as far as your comments re: me being an egocentric american, I'm neither egocentric, nor american. however, america is a right-wing christian country. it's also the only super power on the planet. it's the richest and most pwerful country on the planet. because of that, is has a great deal of control over the rest of the planet (ie, can defy the united nations, blow up other countries, take their resources, generally coerce a good portion of the world into doing as it's told etc etc) -- so, christian country with more power and control than any other country...not mention christians outnumbering everyone else. you do the math as far as christians being in control goes. some are being martyred, for sure, but it kind of goes with the territory. I am in no way suggesting it's ever justified to harm anyone, but people of peaceful religions, content to let others have their own beliefs, don't tend to become martyrs, or be the target of violence. if people are opressed long enough, they're gonna revolt, and christians are doing a lot of oppressing (or certain presidents are oppressing in the name of christianity - same difference to the people being oppressed).  

I saw your other post where someone posted stats about violence in marriage - they are higher than the stats I learned in school, but seeing as though I've been so flaky as far as finding and posting them goes, those are as good as any. I was surprised they were so high from that source.  

I am a stay at home mom. My husband works 80-110 hours a week and I hate to say it but I am the head of the household. I pay the bills. I say when we can do things. I spend the money. I make all the big money choices in our house.  I would have to say just because he is the money maker doesn't mean he is the "head" of the household. Am I a sinner because I run our home? Just wondering. 

The word pedosexual was coined by childlove activists somewhere between the 80's and 90's of the 20th century 

Because of this shift from "romance" to "illness", certain activists in the modern childlove movement decided to adopt a new term which they feel more fairly and accurately represents their attractions as how it relates to modern atonement of the sentiment and practice of pederasty. This term is pedosexual. The word reflects the gay rights movement's decision to shift from "homophile" to "homosexual". 

If he even thought he was a Christian (which he didn't) he wouldn't have killed himself.  

So anyone who, under any circumstances, commits suicide, wasnt really a Christian? 

How do we make that distinction? 

So, anyone who, under any circumstances, tells a lie, steals food, etc, aren't really Christians? 

Cause Im pretty sure the Bible says that Gods is the only one who knows everybodys hearts, and what will come on the day of judgment.  And there is no sort of list stating which sins Christ's blood can and cannot wash clean. 

you said: By your logic then are all people insane?  

It's not my logic. It's the logic of those who would excuse all Christian corruption with the disclaimer that it isn't Christian by the very fact that it's corrupt. Nice.. 

The definition of insanity is not so general. A sane person can be considered sane by their 'normal' patterns of behavior, regardless of the exceptions 

Christians, on the other hand, have historically violated the stricture of their own morality for centuries. They obsess over homosexuality and sexual sins that have only a passing mention and yet commit the grossest atrocities against humanity.  

It isn't the exceptional behavior, it is more frequent than that otherwise Paul would not have to had to write Romans. That letter was addressed to a CHRISTIAN community. He didn't say, well you've engaged mostly in corrupt behavior, so you're not christians. 

Homosexuals I have talked with who demonstrate true conversion tell me the hardest thing for them was admitting it was a sin and the second hardest was denying themselves any homosexual sexual contact.  

Funny, cause when I went through the phase of my life where I thought I could change, I thought homosexuality was a sin, and I was still a virgin... neither were hard to accept.  What was still impossible...  "true conversion."  

I am not Muslim (by the way, you can be Muslim and not wear the hijab) 

I merely stated that if anyone can speak about the word of God, it's the Muslims, because God is the author of the Koran, the Bible only worked on heresay after 40 years of playing telephone. 

Either way I contend to people thinking for themselves.