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Topic : 06/06 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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(Original Air Date: 10/19/05) Sexual orientation used to be something kept hidden from family and co-workers, but now more and more people are "coming out" and finding acceptance. Anjela says her mother and sister don't support her sexual orientation, and feel she can't be Christian and gay at the same time. Can they reconcile this touchy issue? Then, two men debate whether a person can go from gay to straight, and parents of a 4-year-old boy fear their son's desire to play with dolls and wear heels means he'll grow up to be gay. Are they overreacting to his wishes to be a princess instead of a prince? Talk about gender and gay issues here.


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June 3, 2006, 10:38 am PDT

Natural/Christian Homosexual: Oxymoron

Homosexuality is neither natural or Christian. The Creator makes plain in His Word that it is a perversion of human nature - as made in His image.

All human beings have sinned and are sinners and must find themselves in His will - otherwise, their rebellion will doom them forever.

There is no other option to be found in humanism; religious or otherwise. At the very least it is unnatural and in rebellion against nature and nature's Creator. (The same goes for liars, criminals, drunkards, cheats, etc.) Get real...

It is a choice.
Be ruled by your mind and spirit and succeed, or by your glands and lose. Forever.
 
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June 3, 2006, 10:58 am PDT

Learn history, or repeat it

 Do any of you remember a little thing called the Holocaust?  You know, Hitler killed millions of people for being Jewish.  Their lives were Hell, tortured, killed, separated from their families.  Or, back when African Americans were slaves, killed, hung from trees, shot for the hell of it, and denied jobs and such for their skin color?  Do you not realize that history is repeating itself right now, right here?  Everyone judges, thinks they are right, and justified in their abuse of others.  Hitler thought he was right.  The white people thought they were right.  Soon, homosexuals will have the same rights as heterosexuals, it will just take a while.  Just as the Jews can now live w/out a yellow star, and an African American can now sit on a bus, and get the same job as a white person.  There will be people who still hate, those who say it is wrong, that they are better than the gay people, but they will soon be in the minority.  When there is so much violence and war right now, can some of the energy of the haters be directed to befriending and coming together with other people, to make peace?  What is this world coming to when a person can't be open about how they feel?  It saddens me, and I hope that it is better by the time my own daughter grows up.  If she comes to me and says "hey, mom, I'm gay", I hope she doesn't have to deal with the hate that so many other brave, open people have to deal with today.
 

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June 3, 2006, 11:13 am PDT

Not happening!

Okay, one thing, the Government will not make any laws against homosexuality or any such thing. First that being that many states all ready have laws against people marrying others of the same sex and other states legalizing the marriage.  

  

Second -- America's Constituion says "Life, liberty and the pursuite of happiness" -- if being a homosexual makes that person happy and that is the way they want to live their own life. Than the Government has no control over it. Just like how the Government has no control over the press.  

  

Thirdly -- there are many religions in America, and not all of them acknowledge the Christian God. Therefore, godlyness has several different deffinitions (however, I like the Christian one the best) 

  

Fourthly -- Just because someone has in CAPS their oppinions about homosezuality, doesn't nessecarily mean that they are gay. It probably means that this subject makes them very, very upset.  

  

Fith-ly -- There is such a thing as minding ones own buisness! savvy? 

 
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June 3, 2006, 12:13 pm PDT

How Do You Know?

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 It's a choice, huh?  You know what I have learned?  The ones who speak the loudest about the so-called "sin" of homosexuality are the ones who have had, or currently have homosexual feelings, and are afraid of what other people will think, and over compensate by bashing who they really are.  I seriously doubt that the people who were born wanting to be close to people of their own sex, and not the opposite need YOUR prayers, or anyone else's for that matter.  It is not a "sin" to love and be with someone.  Can you not accept the happiness of those around you?  Can you not judge others because you disagree about their lifestyle?  I don't see how someone can be so set in a view, judging others, because they read a few words from some book.  Why can we not all get along, and leave religion and "god" out of these things?  Why can people not just go through life, living it the way they want, when they are not hurting anyone?  Just a thought.
That's ignorant thinking.  It is not a choice.  It is what it is.  Who are you to judge?  I am a straight woman who was married for 19 years before my husband died of cancer.  I have many friends who are gay and it is a struggle for them everyday to live in this world as a gay person.  It is not their choice nor would it ever be.  It is what it is.  It is hard enough to find someone to love and when you do, whether it is male or female is a blessing.  Quit judging others and try loving those around you.  You'll be a better person for it. 
 
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June 3, 2006, 12:16 pm PDT

Choice??

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i agree with you. it is ignorant to say that homosexuality is a choice. who would choose a lifestyle that comes with such harchships and such hate? why would a person choose to be disowned by his/her family? to live a painfully isolated life? it is NOT a choice. most gay people will tell you that they knew about their same-sex attracton at a very early age -- an age where you could not possibly make a choice that vital. there is absolutely nothing wrong with being gay -- all this talk about the lord and satan -- it is an opinion, not fact. for one, not everyone holds these religious belifs, and two, the bible was translated -- i am pretty sure most of what was really written in the bible was lost in translation long ago. other than religious opinions, there is absolutely nothing wrong with someone who is gay. they are wonderful people just like anyone else. 

  

fyi.. i am a straight 20 year old woman.  

I couldn't agree more! I'm a 39 year old married woman who has fought with myself for many years about my sexual identity. I have a good husband who would never understand nor accept my desires to be with another woman. It's a tough road to be on to be what everyone else in your life expects you to be and deny your true self. I would never choose to be so conflicted. I would never choose to be so unfulfilled sexually. I would never choose to hurt the people I would hurt if I told the truth.
 
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June 3, 2006, 12:18 pm PDT

I'm Gay, OK

I believe the parents need to open their eyes and realize that God has said we cannot judge another person!  I agree they have the right to think what they will and their children have that same right.  To the mother and sister I can only say are you willing to take on the roll of Judge and executioner and not only loose the respect your child/brother but also try to take God's roll in this?  Just be calm, they know you don't approve but don't shut your door in their face and never see them again.
 
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June 3, 2006, 12:20 pm PDT

AMEN

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  Women who want to be a man or act like a man confirms the fact that God made only man and woman.  And if we believe the Bible, we see the example in Romans chapter 1 - that homosexual sex is wrong. Any sex outside of marriage is wrong.  How can a person be a Christian and go against Christian moral principles.  How can we as a society be so fragmented in moral believes.  How couild children be protected - when it is God's intent for a man and a woman to raise the child. It is hypocrital for one to say they are a Christian and practice this kind of illicit sex.  Whether gay, straight or whatever -- If people want to practice their sexual preferences -- why does all of society have to accept it and or agree with it.    

   It is certainly shameful how far America has fallen! We are so preoccupied with sex in commercials, in tv and theatre entertainment. It's no wonder our children are getting caught up in homosexual experiences.  "OKAY YOU'RE GAY" we don;t like it and dont have to agree with it. nor do we accept this sinful practice.  If our legislators dont get some backbone and stand up for Godliness -- I fear for the future of our children.  

Who ever wrote this quote - 'AMEN"!  I couldn't have said it better myself!  It's about time that we standup for God's word and tell these people like it is.  I am 50 years old - baby boomer - and I'm sorry no matter how hard you people try to make this right -IT NEVER WILL BE!  God intended for men to be with a women and women to be with man.  SORRY! 

  

 
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June 3, 2006, 12:27 pm PDT

06/06 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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 It's a choice, huh?  You know what I have learned?  The ones who speak the loudest about the so-called "sin" of homosexuality are the ones who have had, or currently have homosexual feelings, and are afraid of what other people will think, and over compensate by bashing who they really are.  I seriously doubt that the people who were born wanting to be close to people of their own sex, and not the opposite need YOUR prayers, or anyone else's for that matter.  It is not a "sin" to love and be with someone.  Can you not accept the happiness of those around you?  Can you not judge others because you disagree about their lifestyle?  I don't see how someone can be so set in a view, judging others, because they read a few words from some book.  Why can we not all get along, and leave religion and "god" out of these things?  Why can people not just go through life, living it the way they want, when they are not hurting anyone?  Just a thought.
the only way to protest what is wrong is to speak loud.  the louder you are the better you are able to be heard.  if you think homosexuality is a choice, youre right.  read Romans 1: 21-27 to know what kind of a choice it really is. 
 
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June 3, 2006, 12:28 pm PDT

ITS OKAY FOR BOYS TO PLAY WITH DOLLS

My oldest son, now almost 37 played dolls with his cousins. He is in no way gay nor ever showed any gay tendencies. He is the father of four, he hunts, fishes, was a team roper in a rodeo, a  fire fighter, and going to collage to be a paramedic. He is a man in every since of the word. Never once did I ever worry about him not growing up a man or turning gay because he played with dolls. After all, do we not expect the fathers to change diapers, help with the feedings, give baths, and do all they can to help raise the children they helped produce? What they play with as children is just that.......play.  I think these parents need to leave the boy alone and let him be happy while he is a little boy. He will be fine, unless they over stress him with their unessary worrying. Take away the toy pistol and give him a doll and teach him how to change the baby's cloths.  

 
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June 3, 2006, 12:41 pm PDT

Why is any of it a "Bad" thing

There are two issues here. One is sexual orientation and the other is gender role identification. I would really like to know who decided that one thing is for girls, another is for boys, girls can crossover sometimes, but only marginally, and boys never.  

My oldest daughter was three when she asked for and received a red Wrangler toy pickup truck complete with a Wrangler cowboy and a yellow Tonka dump truck. (Barbie drove it.) No one thought that was odd. She had a basketball, softball, soccer ball and even a football and that was cool. At age seven she swore off dresses for about 12 years. Seriously. Barbie and G.I. Joe built a Lincoln Log cabin and destroyed it with the dump truck...no problem. Then along comes my son. As is only natural he wants to play with his older siblings toys. He also wants to mimic mom. All little kids do. So he would lavishly apply my red lipstick, don my red high heels, throw on a pair of  "Hollywood" sunglasses and hop on his little blue scooter and ride all around our apartment building. Deliriously happy. Barbie rode the Power Rangers motorcycle with the X-men and my grandmother's sheer scarfs were Superman Capes. He asked for and Santa brought him that Barbie much to the horror of most of my male relatives, friends and neighbors. They sneered and ridiculed when I allowed him to play with baby dolls. "Why do you let him?" the asked. "Why do you let little girls play with baby dolls?" I replied. "I will tell you why. So that they can practice and play at being "mommy". Look at him. He is telling his baby that daddy loves him. I can't think of a better reason to let him. If you can think of a better reason as to why he shouldn't, then let's hear it." Silence. I thought so. He was a kind, gentle, generous, soft-spoken, sensitive little boy who could charm the hood off a cobra. Not to worry. The school yard bullies took care of that. After all, boys in our society are supposed to be mucho macho, rough-tough, hard and unemotional. To be otherwise is to be a sissy, a fag, a girl and other such horrors. These adjectives are hurled and punctuated with fists so that the lesson may be duly learned. "Only girls cry you sissy!" they would taunt him after punching him for being so un-boy-like as to say thank you or sorry. Why is crying just for girls? Most of all, why is being like a girl such a bad thing?! It's better to be called a toad, a pig or a dog, but for heaven's sake please no, don't call a boy (man) a girl (woman)!  

My oldest daughter is a grown woman now and in spite of Tonka trucks, Wrangler pickups and a ban on dresses, she is a fully functioning heterosexual woman and mother of two little boys. My son is fifteen and though he makes up for his sister's disinterest in appearance by being mighty fussy about his, he is straight as can be and has developed an aloofness that teenage girls seem to find alluring. No matter what, straight or gay, they are my children and I would love them and be proud. I am relieved that they do not have to bear the brunt of ignorant prejudice and discrimination due to their sexual orientation. Moreover, I am disheartened that in this millennium, in this great country of ours, that a movement would be made to pass an amendment to our Constitution that would limit the freedoms and liberties of a select group of people based on a singular identifying characteristic. A movement that is based on religious principles to give power to the state to discriminate against aforementioned peoples, in affect abolishing the separation of church and state and unilaterally nullifying freedom of religion. All of this brought to bear due to ignorance, fear and a lack of compassion, with no regard to the fact that sexual orientation has absolutely nothing to do with politics or religion and is no more chosen than is a person's height or color of their skin. 

 
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