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(Original Air Date: 10/19/05) Sexual orientation used to be something kept hidden from family and co-workers, but now more and more people are "coming out" and finding acceptance. Anjela says her mother and sister don't support her sexual orientation, and feel she can't be Christian and gay at the same time. Can they reconcile this touchy issue? Then, two men debate whether a person can go from gay to straight, and parents of a 4-year-old boy fear their son's desire to play with dolls and wear heels means he'll grow up to be gay. Are they overreacting to his wishes to be a princess instead of a prince? Talk about gender and gay issues here.


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June 6, 2006, 5:50 pm PDT

Could you Choose to be Gay?

Quote From: purplepain

I don't know any medical or scientific findings on this but yes, it seems in my opinion, (and that opinion is very open to change if I see something or read something factual on the topic) people CAN be born to have sexual feelings towards kids.

There has been plenty of evidence that child abusers were abused as children too, so I don't know exactly how these two things mix.

But it doesn't matter. Could you be gay if you tried? If it's a choice could you be gay?

Also, why is it so important to you to keep believing this obvious lie that people are born gay? Why MUST you believe this?
That's an excellent response to the old argument that people can choose to be gay. You know darn well that those who come up with that argument  know that they could never be attracted to the same sex no matter how much they tried (unless they are closet queens). So why would they manufacture the story that gay people are choosing their orientation?
 
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June 6, 2006, 5:51 pm PDT

06/06 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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That is one of the things that turned me off to Fundamental Christianity. I had no interest in serving or worshiping or eve LIKING a god that is that cruel and self centered.
God is anything but cruel or self centered.  God is Just.  A God who created man in His image, and man destroyed His image by sinning and disobeying His commands....Then He himself coming and being executed by the very creation who destroyed His image, only to restore it and to give man a second chance...all because He loves us that much.  Tell me where that is cruel and self centered.  That is a picture of humility and selflessness.  We are the self centered, not God.  You dont have to worship or serve Him you have that right and choice, but He still loves you and died for you.  One day you will serve Him...I just hope that it is before you die. 
 

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June 6, 2006, 6:02 pm PDT

06/06 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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where is it inconsistant?

How about: 

 "an eye for an eye" and "turn the other cheek" 

"Honor your father and your mother" and "Whoever does not hate his father and his mother cannot be a disciple to me. And whoever does not hate his brothers and sisters and take up his cross in my way will not be worthy of me."  

  

Just off the top of my head. 

 
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June 6, 2006, 6:05 pm PDT

06/06 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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 I find it interesting that those who "support" homosexualtiy argue that sexual orientation is not a choice (and therefore not a "sin") and those who "condemn" homosexuality argue that sexual orientation *is* a choice (and therefore *is* a "sin"). Why don't we look at the lifestyle itself to decide whether it is or is not moral? Firstly, what is moral behaviour? I don't think that question can be answered by turning to some authority, whether that authority is the Bible, a gay person, an ex-gay person, Shakespaeare, or Dr. Phil. Nor can that question be answered by turning to science by arguing that it's natural or common or genetic. Nor can we answer that question by arguing that homosexuality is "normal" or "abnormal." A moral issue is a moral issue. If we found out that pederasty was genetically determined, would we say that molesting children was acceptable? Of course not. We would help the person in any way possible to change his or her dispostion because we know how harmful pederasty is to children. We might be more sympathetic to a pedophile's struggles (as we should be to anyone who suffers) but we would continue to see the act as immoral. And if I found out my next-door neighbour had sex with stuffed toys, I might think it odd, but I would not see him/her as immoral in any way. To me, a moral person is one who does not intentionally harm another in any way. And a moral person--if s/he discovers s/he has inadvertently hurt another person--strives not to hurt another again if at all possible. Is the act of homosexuality hurtful to anyone? How is a sexual act between consenting adults immoral? Whom does it harm? The only people who are "hurt" by homosexuality are those who believe it is wrong, but that stems from their own issues and not the homosexual act in any way.  It makes no difference whether homosexuality is a choice or not. What matters is whether it is harmful. In order to argue that homosexuality is wrong, one would have to offer a convincing argument that it is harmful. Whom does it hurt, and how? Anyone up for it?

  

We have only the law books set down by our ancestors and the religious beliefs and morals they taught us.  No one can say with 100% certainty how God will judge people on things, but we have to use what we have in place.  Many people believe that molesting children doesn't hurt them, it educates them and they enjoy the attention.  Who is the appropriate judge of their feelings? 

Some believe that homosexuality is harmful.  It confuses children and divides familes because it's strange and different.  Imagine this conversation between children.  Child #1 has the traditional mom and dad, Child #2 has the gay parents, Child #3 has polygamist parents.    

  

#1  "My mom went with me to mother-daughter night at school and my dad went with me to father-daughter night at school. " 

#2  "My two moms went with me to mother-daughter night at school, but since I don't have a dad, they wouldn't let my moms come with me on the father-daughter night at school." 

#3  "My twelve moms wanted to go with me to mother-daughter night at school, but they told me that only one seat was reserved for each mom.  My dad didn't bother to go to father-daughter night with me at school, because he was looking for mom number thirteen. 

  

Any relationships out of the norm, always cause problems and confusion. 

  

 

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June 6, 2006, 6:06 pm PDT

Concerning Church & State

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Have you ever seen Dawn of the Dead with the zombies?  Well, if there were no religious beliefs or strong opinions or compassion about issues, society would be made up of a bunch of zombies.  These "books" are law books.  No different from your attorneys law books.  They govern the people, they govern the religion and those who follow the religion.  No one is trying to change anyone.  Free will.  It'll all come out in the armaggedon wash. 

  

You know when you enter an establishment how the sign on the door says, "we reserve the right to refuse service to those without shoes or shirts?"  Well, same concept for religious people and others who don't accept this or other lifestyles and behaviors.  "We reserve the right not to accept, listen to, or entertain the idea of acceptance of relationships we find abominable."  

I suppose you have a right to limit the membership of your particular church, and to establish your own rules about morality. But if you try to carry those moral beliefs into legislation, I will object. I ask you to keep them to yourself, and not to bring them into the public arena. What I mean is that things like Bush's "Marriage Amendment" imposes his personal beliefs on the rest of us. Can you understand the difference between the spheres of church and of state, and do you know why it's a mistake to legislate moral beliefs?
 

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June 6, 2006, 6:09 pm PDT

06/06 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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That's an excellent response to the old argument that people can choose to be gay. You know darn well that those who come up with that argument  know that they could never be attracted to the same sex no matter how much they tried (unless they are closet queens). So why would they manufacture the story that gay people are choosing their orientation?
The answer to your question is in your post.  the people who are most certain that being gay is a choice are the people who have felt the attraction and chosen to play out a straight life.  I have known many such.  They usually can't keep it up permanently and end up coming out to the wife and kids at some point.  Nice.
 
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June 6, 2006, 6:23 pm PDT

Can God change His mind?

Quote From: raeleedy

 The Bible was passed down in a very different time, when survival of human civilization was of real concern.  If every man and woman did not produce offspring,  then there was a real risk that communities could dwindle to extinction.

Now, in the 21st century, with genocides starting over water rights, and wars over oil fields, we are at the brink of populating our planet to ruin.  Is it still reasonable, even responsible, to demand our bretheren to breed?

God works in mysterious ways.  Perhaps He(She) has found a brilliant way to satisfy our need for a better half while stemming the incredible flood of human beings.  Perhaps this the next step to help stabalize the planet.

So my question to you is... Can God change His mind?

I think that God doesn't really have anything to do with this topic.  God isn't here in a form of a person, He's not here to say No, being gay is a sin, or No, adultery is a sin etc.  The ten commandment were made by Him, but He was hoping that people would follow them after He pasted on. The people of our society made those decisions for themselves. It's like the saying "Guns kill people" , NO! It's people that kill people !
 

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June 6, 2006, 6:47 pm PDT

06/06 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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God is anything but cruel or self centered.  God is Just.  A God who created man in His image, and man destroyed His image by sinning and disobeying His commands....Then He himself coming and being executed by the very creation who destroyed His image, only to restore it and to give man a second chance...all because He loves us that much.  Tell me where that is cruel and self centered.  That is a picture of humility and selflessness.  We are the self centered, not God.  You dont have to worship or serve Him you have that right and choice, but He still loves you and died for you.  One day you will serve Him...I just hope that it is before you die. 
Just because you listed things that are not cruel or self centered doesn't mean the god of fundamental Christianity isn't cruel and self centered.

How about sending people to hell for not obeying him? That is both self centered and cruel. Why did he create sin and create hell just to send us, who he supposedly loves there if we don't jump through his hoops?

This is the wrong forum for this discussion to go farther as the moderators won't even post messages that are this off topic. So if you want you are more than welcome to email me about this or you can create your own board to discuss this.

purplepain78@hotmail.com
 
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June 6, 2006, 7:22 pm PDT

06/06 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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We have only the law books set down by our ancestors and the religious beliefs and morals they taught us.  No one can say with 100% certainty how God will judge people on things, but we have to use what we have in place.  Many people believe that molesting children doesn't hurt them, it educates them and they enjoy the attention.  Who is the appropriate judge of their feelings? 

Some believe that homosexuality is harmful.  It confuses children and divides familes because it's strange and different.  Imagine this conversation between children.  Child #1 has the traditional mom and dad, Child #2 has the gay parents, Child #3 has polygamist parents.    

  

#1  "My mom went with me to mother-daughter night at school and my dad went with me to father-daughter night at school. " 

#2  "My two moms went with me to mother-daughter night at school, but since I don't have a dad, they wouldn't let my moms come with me on the father-daughter night at school." 

#3  "My twelve moms wanted to go with me to mother-daughter night at school, but they told me that only one seat was reserved for each mom.  My dad didn't bother to go to father-daughter night with me at school, because he was looking for mom number thirteen. 

  

Any relationships out of the norm, always cause problems and confusion. 

  

 

Who is the best judge of a child's feelings? They are the best judge of their feelings. Sex between an adult and a child is non-consentual. And if all we have are the law books set down by our ancestors and the religious beliefs and morals they taught us, then there's absolutely no point in having "discussion boards" or using our abitlity to reason for working out  ideas of right and wrong for ourselves. Using the bible--or any other authority--as a way of convincing someone of a moral truth is like saying "because I said so" Homosexuality does not confuse children any more or less than human sexuality in general. Children learn from adults and from the examples and explanations we offer them. Change "mother-daughter" and "father-daughter" to "parent-child" and then it all fits under the "norm" as you put it.  And a child who is being raised by grandparents or an aunt or has foster parents, according to your argument, would be living in an immoral situation. Want to try again?
 
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June 6, 2006, 7:28 pm PDT

What is so complicated about it all?

I honestly don't get all the conflict over homosexuality and especially same-sex marriage. The fact is, this is America, and while a person DOES have the right to hate someone (as long as they don't act violently on it) and to ostracize them from their family or church or whatever private organization they please BUT homosexuals have the right to marriage and any other freedoms that everyone else enjoys. Marriage is a legal institution and should not be restricted by religious beliefs, just like churches should not be forced to accept members they don't want or perform marriage ceremonies they are agains. I mean, what is so complicated about this? If everyone would stop being so selfish and realize that while they are entitled to their own beliefs, their beliefs should not govern the lives of those who do not believe as they do. Isn't that what makes America a great and free nation? 

 
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