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Topic : 06/06 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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(Original Air Date: 10/19/05) Sexual orientation used to be something kept hidden from family and co-workers, but now more and more people are "coming out" and finding acceptance. Anjela says her mother and sister don't support her sexual orientation, and feel she can't be Christian and gay at the same time. Can they reconcile this touchy issue? Then, two men debate whether a person can go from gay to straight, and parents of a 4-year-old boy fear their son's desire to play with dolls and wear heels means he'll grow up to be gay. Are they overreacting to his wishes to be a princess instead of a prince? Talk about gender and gay issues here.


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October 19, 2005, 2:33 pm PDT

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i wish more"christians" would let there light shine the way you do. You really hit the nail on the head
i feel neutral in a sense becaue my brother who i love and respect very much is gay but i have to disagree on one thing if you are claiming to be a christian then you set yourself up to be judged it also say in the bible to judge other christians if they aren't representing christ as he should be but not to cast them out because of one act but to confont with a loving heart
 
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October 19, 2005, 2:36 pm PDT

Excellent post!

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Why is it so hard for so many on this site to understand that not everyone is a christian and not everyone is a born again christian. 

  

I happen to be Native American and am proud of my heritage-- ethnic and spiritual.  My culture doesn't condem people for living how they are made.  We don't believe we own our children-- meaning we can not chose their path for them-- we can only guide them.   

  

 We have nothing in common with fundamentalist christians when it comes to belief systems.  Many in my community have embraced a spirituality (christianity) which DESTROYED our culture and way of life.  It's a very sad thing.  But I suppose when you are confronted with "Convert or die"  many do choose to accept the conquerers way of life. 

  

So, when you all start going on and on about what your god wants from all people of the earth, all I can do is shake my head at your ignorance.  For isn't that what you do when you are confronted with traditions different from your own? 

  

I believe the Earth is the mother of us all, and that we are destroying our mother.  Can't you hear her screams?  But do I tell you SUV driving, 6000 square foot house living, polluting non-bleievers that you our murdering our mother?  Isn't that more important that who someone loves?  No, I don't.  Not generally, anyway. 

  

My tribe has a cultural history of accepting all among us as brothers and sisters.  Including those who do not fit into traditional gender roles.  Including those who are attracted to those of the same sex.  It's all around us on mother earth.  All mammal species show same sex attraction.  While it is not the norm, it is not unnatural. 

  

You do not get the right, because you call yourself a christian to comdemn people who believe other than you do.  And you sure don't get the right to make the laws that affect us all according to your religion. 

  

You surely do not have the right to impose self-hatred and self-loathing on people being true to their born selves. 

  

I'm so thankful I live in a part of the country where I do not have people like the visitors on this board trying to convert me to their religion. 

  

And all of this judgement day stuff is a little confusing.  I remember that less than 20 years ago, that kind of reasoning was only used by doomsday cultists like Jim Jones or David Koresh.  It's frightening to me how many seemingly sane Americans have fallen into the doomsday cult mentality. 

  

I could really get into the jesus rhetoric if more pople who claimed to be christians quoted the Sermon on the Mount insteas of leviticus. 

  

I am not gay, but I have had the pleasure of knowing many gays, lesbians and transgendered people throughout my lifetime.  I am the richer in spirit for it. 

  

And I almost for got.  For those illogical people who claim that god doesn't make mistakes?  What about people born transgendered?  In  the US, the birth rate of people with ambigous genitalia (intersex) is about 2% of live births.  So those people are not mistakes?  I don't believe they are and according to your logic, you shouldn't, either.  But then that doesn't fit your worldview of two genders and strict gender based societal roles. 

  

I long for the day we all get past out superstitious knee jerk reactions to those who are different.  I am hopeful though.  It was only a little over a hundred years ago that the official US government position on my people was 'the only good indian is a dead indian.' 

  

Maybe someday the attitudes I'm seeing here toward those who are gay/lebian/bisexual/intersex/transgendered are just as abhored by mainstream society. 

  

I might have to do some prostelytizing of my own, if I had to face this type of self-righteousness on a daily basis. 

  

 
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October 19, 2005, 2:37 pm PDT

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As a faithful Catholic I belive firmly in "hate the sin love the sinner" that said, the Catholic church does not have a problem with a person being "gay" "lesbian" but when that person acts on it sexually it is considered a mortal sin. I know gay and lesbian people who are choosing to live a celibate life without ever engaging in any form of sexual act, is it a difficult life? Yes, but we are talking about your mortal soul and in the long run this life is nothing compared to our life in Heaven, do you want to be in Heaven or Hell? God has made it very clear that it is not ok to have sex with the same sex, if God wanted it that way there would be no aids, what type of God would allow that? A man and a woman were made just right to come together in marriage and have children, that is from God, if God wanted same sexes together they would be able to have children together and they would not be able to give aids to eachother. 

I think that we need to pray for gays and lesbians that God will give them the strength to live celibate lives and not act on their sexual needs, there is way more to life than sex. 

i find it truly disheartening that someone of faith would say such things. i completely respect the fact everyone is entitled to their own opinion and beliefs, so let's agree to disagree.  

  

you say: "God has made it very clear that it is not ok to have sex with the same sex, if God wanted it that way there would be no aids, what type of God would allow that? " 

  

i'm sorry but i'm not sure you are making a very valid point.  sure, there are gay people who have AIDS. but you are failing to mention those who aren't gay with AIDS. how about drug users that have contracted the virus from using dirty needles? how about those who thought they were in a monogamous relationship (gay or straight) only to find out their spouse contracted it from someone else? i think you are failing to realize that it isn't just the gay population who is affected by this virus. and just to throw in a little statistic for you readers: the lesbian population/community has the lowest number of infected people. so for you to say that AIDS is God's sign of condeming homosexuality is purely crazy. AIDS would still exist even without the gay population.  

  

as far as your comments about living a celibate lifestyle...sex is an act of love. sure, there are people in this world who don't view sex as an act of intimacy but instead see it as entertainment or a hobby. however, how would you like to be a woman in love with a man, and have someone tell you not to have sex. not to give yourself to the person you love.  

  

you say: "I know gay and lesbian people who are choosing to live a celibate life without ever engaging in any form of sexual act, is it a difficult life?" 

  

i have a suggestion for this. why don't you practice a celibate life and see how it goes for you? you are right, there is more to life than sex. however, sex is a need that EVERY human has. sex connects you with the person you love and share your life with. no one should be deprived of that. those "ex-gays" who live celibate lifestyles probably live that way for a reason. you can ALWAYS change behavior, but you can't change desire. the desire is always there.  

  

as a lesbian woman, with all the respect, we do not need prayers. we do not need your thoughts of hoping our "lifestyle" can be changed. we all have sins. no sin is greater than another. the only question you have to ask yourself at the end of the day is this: "who am i to judge anyone else?" 

 
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October 19, 2005, 2:37 pm PDT

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It's true that that gayness often becomes more than just a sexual orientation and more of an identity for gay people, but that's because about the only place they find support is from within gay circles.  I'm not gay, but I've known lots of gays, lived in an apartment complex I didn't realize was gay when I moved in (guys) and got to know a bunch.  I was openminded even before then, having seen a young teenage male friend of mine struggle and be criticized and ostracized by his peers in the small conservative community.  I saw him struggle to not be gay, and it was very painful to watch and painful for his little confused girlfriends as well.  I don't know anyone who would CHOOSE to be gay.  I have a lot of  knowledge about violent crime and one thing I've learned from reading all the most cutting edge stuff on sexual offenders is that they are not rehabable.  Their idiosyncracies, because they are sexual, are innate .  They can't be rehabilitated because they were never any other way to go back to.  Trying to train a pedophile not to be attracted to children is the same as if someone tried to tell you not to be attracted to men (if you're a woman).  They should be restricted from society for life.  

  

There was a tremendous amount of resentment by the straight sister about her gay sister's having made gayness her entire identity.  I think she perceives it as self-important.  Even Dr. Phil didn't seem to get that gayness does become your identity many times.  As society becomes more tolerant and allows gay people to have the same rights as straight people, this division will greatly lesson, but right now, they are fighting a war.  And more power to them.  It's a shame that people embrace religions which exclude their children or that their own innate sense of morality doesn't overrule arcane literature and allow for reality. 

 
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October 19, 2005, 2:38 pm PDT

i agree

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I am sad bc I see alot of posts from people talking about how homosexuality is a sin and all this stuff. Not everyone believes in the bible, not everyone is christian, catholic, baptist or whatever... 

Once apon a time marrying a black man was a "sin" in society's eyes. It was illegal state to state. Then finally they legalized it. Now when you compare it too homosexuality they say "you can't help what color you are but you can help who you are attracted too". Talk to my great grand father...who was treated as badly as gay people are today just because he was black. He will tell you differently. So why would you want to bash someone just because of who they love?  

  

God says "who with out sin cast the first stone" and "don't judge unless you want to be judge unless you want to be judge".... 

Im very christian. Im striaght, im white,i had a baby at 18.im not racist.I respect if you respect.i drink,i dont smoke.I lie once in awhile.Now you may have your bad and good opinions about me, but you cant judge me.so worry about yourself,and dont worry about gays and lesbians.I have no problem with that.If your happy and you found who you want to be with for the rest of your life.Then be that.I understand what it says in the bible i read it all the time.It was Gods option to make us,But if it was such a big deal to God ,then he also had the option to change the who we are.But he didnt. he let us be who we are.SO let everyone make their own decision.You dont have to make theirs. 

-Sheena- 

 
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October 19, 2005, 2:38 pm PDT

I'm Gay. I'll never be Straight. Jesus love me.

I think it's very possible for someone to become straight, after they've been gay.  I know straight people who have become gay.  Everything is possible when it comes to sex.
 

We all came from the same source, and we're all returning to that same source when we die.   

 
The challenge we face is loving one another unconditionally.  As soon as any religion gives you permission to stop loving unconditional, that religion is no longer pure.  It's tainted with fear, anger and hatred and the source (Jesus, God, or whomever) is not present. 

 
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October 19, 2005, 2:39 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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I am a Christain and God is my Lord and Savior, and I am Gay.  I would be nothing without God in my life.  I do not agree that you can change form being gay. People say it is a choice, and it's not. If I had a choice why would I choice a life of people hating me because I am different or hating me so much they would kill me. Always watching your back because you never know who will like the fact your gay and who would like to hurt you because your gay. I lied to myself for 25 years, saying I wasn't gay or its just a phase I will grow out of it. Praying that i want to be normal. But what is normal anyways? I was depressed all the time, always wanting to kill myself because I had this secret inside of me. I was 25 when I first started to slowly come out and each time I told someone I loved it felt like this big weight that came off of my shoulders. I have wonderful parents, that accepts who I am and just want to see me happy. I am 29 now and I have not been happier in my life. I become more open each and everyday. There are only a few family members that I have not told yet. People say the Bible say's being gay is a sin or you will go to Hell. In the book of Ruth, Ruth was with a woman, and there is another part where two men are together. God is the only one that can judge me and if people want to judge me then they can, but they are sinning just as well, because God say's not to judge people. They say we are all a part of God, God made each one of us different and in their own special way. Well I am just one of those parts just as each and everyone of you are. We are all special in our own way.
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October 19, 2005, 2:40 pm PDT

lifestyle vs. bedroom practice

Dr. Phil is awesome.  Today, however, I think he's sidestepping the issue of having a gay child.  To advise the family to just not talk about the gay child's sex life is NOT the issue.  It's not simply about her SEX life.  It's about she's dating, who she's, how her heart is being broken, what activities she's filling her life with.  If she's volunteering at a gay youth center, should she not talk about that, too?  She can't talk about herself with very much depth, without hitting something gay-related.    

  

For right now, that girl seems very immersed in being gay.  She wants to share her life with her family.  This daughter is looking for love from her mother, and doesn't find it in the rings and money that her mom is giving her.  Couldn't you have helped the family see what they might lose if they try to apply the "don't ask, don't tell" policy to this sweet girl?  

 
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October 19, 2005, 2:40 pm PDT


what i don't see is how can people be so mean i know that people do think that the bible says it isn't right. but who are we as people to judge and not let someone be happy all you people that have a certain someone you love should never be against gays. think to all the  happiness that you have had with them. just because someone likes people of the same sex doesn't mean that they shouldn't have the right to this happiness.  and when i hear people saying that gays chose to be gay i think that is stupid because why would someone go through the pain that can be inflicted by some of the cruel people of this world. i understand when people think it is wrong but how can we be a free country when we can't chose to the full extent who we are going to marry and grow old together. i have to admit when i think of marriage i think of a man and a woman. but how fair can it be to tell some one that they love with all their hearts to give it up. if you do love someone would you be able to do it just because society said it was wrong? i know i wouldn't..  

 
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October 19, 2005, 2:40 pm PDT

Justin

Hey All!! 

  

For all of you who say that you can't be gay and Christian....I stand before you and say, "YES YOU CAN CUZ I'm RIGHT HERE!!!"  Now...whether I snap my fingers or not, that's another story.  Uh Oh! He's gay and christian and has a sense of humor! My My!  He must really be a sinner....well guess what, I AM! So are you! We are all sinners....saved by GRACE.  NOT sinners saved by heterosexuality!  

  

To Justin...my brother, my friend.  I am SO proud of you.  You amaze me daily. 

  

To all who read this, I pray that God will soften your hearts.  Try to keep in mind that although you may not agree, Jesus loves ALL of us...not just the heterosexuals.  Being gay is not a choice that I made...nor am I gay because of my father or abuse or anything like that. 

  

I strongly encourage those of you who are gay and struggling to please, please, please...reach out to someone who loves you.    We are here for you...we will listen to you and support you.  Jesus is alive on GCN.   

  

Come on over and make yourself at home...we're glad to have you and proud of you for being there!! 

God Bless!!! 

  

DennisPaul 

 
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