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Topic : 06/06 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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(Original Air Date: 10/19/05) Sexual orientation used to be something kept hidden from family and co-workers, but now more and more people are "coming out" and finding acceptance. Anjela says her mother and sister don't support her sexual orientation, and feel she can't be Christian and gay at the same time. Can they reconcile this touchy issue? Then, two men debate whether a person can go from gay to straight, and parents of a 4-year-old boy fear their son's desire to play with dolls and wear heels means he'll grow up to be gay. Are they overreacting to his wishes to be a princess instead of a prince? Talk about gender and gay issues here.


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June 9, 2006, 1:46 pm PDT

son like one on show

I can relate to the parents of the 4 year old son on the show.  My son is now 8 and has always preferred to play girl things.  He has stated it many times that he wishes he could be a girl and has displayed every single behavior that the boy on the show did.  It's not just about playing with dolls, it's about an obsession with ALL girl things.  I have read several messages about nothing wrong with boys playing with dolls.  I agree with that completely, but became concerned when my son didn't grow out of the "phase" everyone said he was going through.  He has never enjoyed boy toys and still doesn't enjoy "boy play".  We have tried many different things with him including taking all girl toys out of our home.  He would just improvise and make a boy toy into something feminine.  We don't want to change who he is, but want him to grow up to be a confident boy.  There is a fine line between the two and my husband and I are trying to allow him to express the feminine side of him without letting it get carried away.  We allow him to play "girl stuff" (pretend to be a girl) for a set amount of time a day and then redirect him with other activities that he also enjoys.  We have found that he is musically gifted and enjoys playing the piano.  We are a strong Christian family who accepts and loves all people.  I have always felt that being gay is not really a choice, but have in the past few years become a regular reader of the bible.  I have been struggling with some of the scriptures in the bible that others have discussed and have been very confused about what I believe.  I have come to peace with the fact that if my son is gay, he is loved by God and was created this way by God.  As a mother with 3 boys, 2 of which are "all boy", I know that God did not create my "feminine boy" to be condemned.  I watch him struggle on a daily basis with his sense of self and he is a very caring and wonderful boy.  If he is gay, I know that he was created that way, no one can tell me otherwise.  I have prayed for him and watched him deal with the fact that  God didn't make him a girl and my heart breaks for him.  I am confused about why God would make him a boy but place these desires on his heart daily.  I will never understand in this world the reason for this, only God knows.  I know that God will use my son in a way that will glorify Him, gay or straight. 
 
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June 9, 2006, 1:57 pm PDT

06/06 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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Grandparents, aunts, or foster parents *would not* constitute an immoral situation, but their relationships would not fit under the "father-daughter" or "mother-son" etc., categories. Homosexuals can raise children and attend special events just like any other parent or guardian can.

Why is it "immoral" for granny to have a sexual relationship with another granny? Whom is it hurting and how?

  

Whom is it hurting and how?
 

  

God and his son Jesus. 

 
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June 9, 2006, 2:05 pm PDT

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I, personally, disagree with homosexuality  

  

You are not homosexual so you have no business judging that conduct.  God did not ask you to use his word to attack your neighbours. Your "job" is not to sit as a mini-god pronouncing judgments on the lives of others-I'm sure you have more than enough sins of your own to keep you busy.   

  

Your job is to let the love of Jesus shine from you onto your fellow man-if you want to help others to find Jesus, be a beacon not a scourge. 

  

You have no right to tell her what her job is.  God does allow his followers to use righteous judgement.  He also instructs us to "teach" and "spread his word" throughout the world.  Many here are lukewarm Christians and God will vomit you out (per scripture). 

  

 
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June 9, 2006, 2:07 pm PDT

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Certainly the ones who are not judging others.

  

Wrong answer sweetums.  Righteous judgement in the "scriptures." 

 

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June 9, 2006, 2:10 pm PDT

Proselytizing

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He never taught us to thump the bible in the faces of people with whom we disagree nor did he ever support discrimination 

  

He did tell us to minister to the unbelievers, thus we would be using his scriptures. Using scriptures is not thumping the bible in people's faces. It is using the word to introduce them to God and what he is about. From there, they choose their own path. The purpose of ministering to them is for when judgement day comes, they cannot say they never knew of him. God at least wants people to know of him, but accepts whatever decision they make. 

This is the crux of the problem. The many sincere Christians here, who profess that they do not hate gay people, yet assert that God still hates the sin, have already committed themselves to a course of action. Proselytizing & ministering to the nonbeliever and to the "sinner" come with the package. In so doing, these Christians are unwittingly contributing to the oppression (pardon me for using a word that brands me as a "leftist") of gay people who are bothering no one. Stigmatizing someone as a "sinner" is serious business. Proselytizing one's beliefs is even more serious, because at that point they are no longer just beliefs or opinions. They are blatant attempts at stigmatizing people. Please, will you come to your senses and start to realize how your words are needlessly hurting innocent people who have never done anything to harm you?
 
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June 9, 2006, 2:13 pm PDT

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But why should she get to make her personal ideas of immorality the law?

There are MANY things that most christians find "immoral" but it's not illegal. Fornication, adultery, drinking, smoking, pornography.

  

    Is she not free to voice her opinions as you are on this issue ? 

 

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June 9, 2006, 2:26 pm PDT

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I, personally, disagree with homosexuality  

  

You are not homosexual so you have no business judging that conduct.  God did not ask you to use his word to attack your neighbours. Your "job" is not to sit as a mini-god pronouncing judgments on the lives of others-I'm sure you have more than enough sins of your own to keep you busy.   

  

Your job is to let the love of Jesus shine from you onto your fellow man-if you want to help others to find Jesus, be a beacon not a scourge. 

Everyone uses their own judgement whether you want to admit it or not. Just because I am not homosexual, doesn't mean I can't have an opinion on it. You aren't homosexual, yet you have an opinion about it yourself. I think the problem you see with my belief is that I don't agree with you all. I am stating my belief just as you are whether you want to hear it or not. That is what these boards are for. Before you go and "judge" me (read your previous post and you will see how you judged me), you need to look in the mirror. Maybe you should reread some of your posts regarding religion. You claim to be Christian, yet your previous posts do not show it. I don't hate the person, I hate the act that that person is doing. There is a big difference.
 
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June 9, 2006, 2:39 pm PDT

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This is the crux of the problem. The many sincere Christians here, who profess that they do not hate gay people, yet assert that God still hates the sin, have already committed themselves to a course of action. Proselytizing & ministering to the nonbeliever and to the "sinner" come with the package. In so doing, these Christians are unwittingly contributing to the oppression (pardon me for using a word that brands me as a "leftist") of gay people who are bothering no one. Stigmatizing someone as a "sinner" is serious business. Proselytizing one's beliefs is even more serious, because at that point they are no longer just beliefs or opinions. They are blatant attempts at stigmatizing people. Please, will you come to your senses and start to realize how your words are needlessly hurting innocent people who have never done anything to harm you?
Thank you for saying this!!!  In my previous posts I have been trying to make other Christians aware of how much more harm they are doing than good.  They just refuse to see how condescending and unloving their behavior really is towards those who don't share their beliefs.   I know, I know, they believe that acting this way is loving because it will ultimately save people.  As Dr. Phil would say, how's that workin' for ya?  Frankly, I don't see it working at all.  All I see is more hurt feelings and anger. 
 
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June 9, 2006, 2:46 pm PDT

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Quote From: bluedane2

Oh yes you are, just like serial killers are born bad, in most cases.

  

more excuses to condone ones "sexual" behavior.  serial killers have a brain defect do they not?  so if they are born that way, then homosexuality is also a brain disorder. 

 

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June 9, 2006, 2:47 pm PDT

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Whom is it hurting and how?
 

  

God and his son Jesus. 

Why are they choosing to be hurt by this?
 
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