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(Original Air Date: 10/19/05) Sexual orientation used to be something kept hidden from family and co-workers, but now more and more people are "coming out" and finding acceptance. Anjela says her mother and sister don't support her sexual orientation, and feel she can't be Christian and gay at the same time. Can they reconcile this touchy issue? Then, two men debate whether a person can go from gay to straight, and parents of a 4-year-old boy fear their son's desire to play with dolls and wear heels means he'll grow up to be gay. Are they overreacting to his wishes to be a princess instead of a prince? Talk about gender and gay issues here.


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June 30, 2006, 7:47 am PDT

06/06 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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I know when sex is not consensual it is rape. Whether it is for controling, demeaning, pleasure, etc., it is still a homosexual act.

I agree with you. I know heterosexual men who would never be able to get an erection to rape another man no matter how much control they were trying to exert over another man. They would just beat the devil out of them until they either had the control they wanted or kill them.  

A true heterosexual man will never get turned on enough to have sex with another man. There would have to be homosexual tendencies here. 

 
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June 30, 2006, 7:50 am PDT

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Eden777- 

  

Have you ever thought that if God truly did not want you to be homosexual, then why doesn'e he make the process fun, painless and carefree? If he truly is a gentle God, he should make people suffer like they have. It should be showing you something right there, if it is so difficult and heartbreaking to try and change....hmmmmm...logic would tell you there is no need to put yourself through that sort of suffering. It's not worth it. Because no one truly knows what happens when you die.  

  

And I know people are going to push back at me with words about alcohols, drug addicts, pedophiles, rapists, etc, so I will nip that in the bud right here. I am not talking about those things because those things truly can be overcome and they harm your body physically, or harm other peoples bodies physically, and that is not right. But for a person who is loving and monogomous to live thier life, IS RIGHT.  

  

And there are no true statistics about gay men being more or less permiscuos than straight men. So you findings are unfounded. You should be able to admit that there are extremes in sexual practices in both heterosexual and homosexual populations. Just one more way to show that we are no so different from each other! 

  

Your agrument doesn't hold water. 

  

No one's life here on earth is always "fun, painless and carefree".  We ALL have different obstacles and difficulties in our lives.  God IS a gentle God and he is not making any of us suffer!  But, due to the laws of nature some of us are born with, or without, things the rest of us aren't.   The fact that some homosexuals suffer heartbreaking lives is not proof that God didn't intend for them to be homosexual.  It is only proof of man's inhumanity to man!   

 
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June 30, 2006, 8:03 am PDT

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Your agrument doesn't hold water. 

  

No one's life here on earth is always "fun, painless and carefree".  We ALL have different obstacles and difficulties in our lives.  God IS a gentle God and he is not making any of us suffer!  But, due to the laws of nature some of us are born with, or without, things the rest of us aren't.   The fact that some homosexuals suffer heartbreaking lives is not proof that God didn't intend for them to be homosexual.  It is only proof of man's inhumanity to man!   

I'm sorry, I should have explained myself better. I wasn't saying that "The fact that some homosexuals suffer heartbreaking lives is not proof that God didn't intend for them to be homosexual." I am homosexual myself and I don't live a suffering life, but I know many that do. 

  

I was saying that if it is so hard to change, heartbreaking and full of challanges, then is it really God that wants you to change? I was making reference to Eden's post about changing to hetero not being fun painless and carefee. (Btw, I believe that this type of change is 100% NOT possible) I don't think that your gentle God would want anyone to go through that kind of struggle to attempt to change who he made them to be. 

  

I hope this clears up the misunderstanding. 

  

:) Jayde 

 
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June 30, 2006, 8:29 am PDT

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I agree with you. I know heterosexual men who would never be able to get an erection to rape another man no matter how much control they were trying to exert over another man. They would just beat the devil out of them until they either had the control they wanted or kill them.  

A true heterosexual man will never get turned on enough to have sex with another man. There would have to be homosexual tendencies here. 

The kind of man who could get turned on enough to rape a man is the same kind of man who gets turned on by raping women. It is not a sexual turn-on as we know it....these people are sexually aroused by violence and dominance. The heterosexual men you know probably couldn't get an erection to violently rape a woman either....at least, I hope not.
 
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June 30, 2006, 9:17 am PDT

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I'm sorry, I should have explained myself better. I wasn't saying that "The fact that some homosexuals suffer heartbreaking lives is not proof that God didn't intend for them to be homosexual." I am homosexual myself and I don't live a suffering life, but I know many that do. 

  

I was saying that if it is so hard to change, heartbreaking and full of challanges, then is it really God that wants you to change? I was making reference to Eden's post about changing to hetero not being fun painless and carefee. (Btw, I believe that this type of change is 100% NOT possible) I don't think that your gentle God would want anyone to go through that kind of struggle to attempt to change who he made them to be. 

  

I hope this clears up the misunderstanding. 

  

:) Jayde 

OH, I now I see :)
 
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June 30, 2006, 9:26 am PDT

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I agree with you. I know heterosexual men who would never be able to get an erection to rape another man no matter how much control they were trying to exert over another man. They would just beat the devil out of them until they either had the control they wanted or kill them.  

A true heterosexual man will never get turned on enough to have sex with another man. There would have to be homosexual tendencies here. 

Maybe you guys should research this issue a little better.   

  

Start with looking into how much sex is going on in prisons.  A true heterosexual man CAN get turned on enough (by this I presume you mean an erection) to rape another man without any homosexual tendencies when what is turning him on is the violence and sense of power or control.    

 
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June 30, 2006, 9:57 am PDT

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Maybe you guys should research this issue a little better.   

  

Start with looking into how much sex is going on in prisons.  A true heterosexual man CAN get turned on enough (by this I presume you mean an erection) to rape another man without any homosexual tendencies when what is turning him on is the violence and sense of power or control.    

You don't know the ones I know. I do know some that have been in jail and they are very violent people. Some are family members. One beat a man near to death because he propositioned him while he was in jail. He told me he had the opportunity just like anyone else to bi_ _ _ out another man but he choose to use other means to obtain his control. I know rapes are big in prisons and I know that it is a control issue but if a man can do that to another man I question his heterosexuality.
 

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June 30, 2006, 10:59 am PDT

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You don't know the ones I know. I do know some that have been in jail and they are very violent people. Some are family members. One beat a man near to death because he propositioned him while he was in jail. He told me he had the opportunity just like anyone else to bi_ _ _ out another man but he choose to use other means to obtain his control. I know rapes are big in prisons and I know that it is a control issue but if a man can do that to another man I question his heterosexuality.
Again, that's because you equate rape and sex. Anyone who can even perpetrate a rape does not have a healthy mind and they are not 'getting off' on sex...it's the power and control that they are getting off on.

Rape has NOTHING to do with a person's sexuality. People who commit rape are not mentally healthy people. So questioning someone's heterosexuality because they raped a man is like questioning apples with questions about oranges!

Rape is not sex.
 

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June 30, 2006, 11:01 am PDT

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Maybe you guys should research this issue a little better.   

  

Start with looking into how much sex is going on in prisons.  A true heterosexual man CAN get turned on enough (by this I presume you mean an erection) to rape another man without any homosexual tendencies when what is turning him on is the violence and sense of power or control.    

Those erections are not about who is going to be penetrated. It's about being turned on by power.  Plus...I don't know if any men are around to verify this, but erections aren't as finicky as people think.
 
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June 30, 2006, 11:07 am PDT

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You don't know the ones I know. I do know some that have been in jail and they are very violent people. Some are family members. One beat a man near to death because he propositioned him while he was in jail. He told me he had the opportunity just like anyone else to bi_ _ _ out another man but he choose to use other means to obtain his control. I know rapes are big in prisons and I know that it is a control issue but if a man can do that to another man I question his heterosexuality.

Your conclusions are baseless. You know of one person who would rather beat than rape another guy. What everyone is also forgetting in this case is that many of the people in prison are there for many years, if not life sentences. They know they will probably never have the cahnce to have sex with a woman again, and therefore, when the natural mood strikes them, they take advantage of the people around them. Men get erections all the time, whether or not they are turned on by outside sources, or the fact that they haven't had sexual contact for a long time. Rape occurs because of feeling like they need to exert thier dominence, or because they are horny, not because they are gay in any way. 

  

On the same topic, women in the prison system frequently resort to same sex loving, even if they consider themselves straight. When they return to the free world, they usually go right back into hetero relationships. It all has to do with who you have access to in the prison. For the women, they find comfort in each other (and sometimes, yes, there are rapes and displays of dominence as well). There was a very good documentary done about this once, although the name escapes me at the moment.  

  

You can't say these people are gay. Most of them are not. I think it's all about convienence. 

 
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