Topic : 06/06 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Yes you are going by your emotions and feelings right now. You are going by feelings and emotions of fear of your god.  And that is OK for you! More power to you! I don't care....be a non-lesbian! lol...no skin off my nose.

But to ME I don't care if people are "born that way" or not. I believe they ARE, but it's moot...who cares, I think people should just love all they want as long as they don't hurt anyone.

It's ironic that people actualy tend to say that they actualy know what's in my heart and say they understand my hearts motives when they don't.

 

What is ment when you say that I am going by the fear of my God?

 

And it's not about being a non-lesbian or lesbian whatever, it's about discovering the truth about who it is that I truly am. A woman created in the image of God.  There should be no confusion in that.

 

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.  It's not an emotion and it's not feelings but rather it's the recognition of who God is.  What society lacks is just this, the fear of the Lord.  Our society and culture is not one for recognizing who God is if that were so people would not live their lives by doing what is "right in their own eyes" but rather they would find out what is right and then choose to live by that.

 

And you know this debate just might not be worth it to you because you and I just might have to agree to disagree.  I simply have to correct you on what you think is my hearts motives behind what I do.  How can you when you cannot comprehend why it is that I choose to live the life that I do.  If you did, then you just may have a different oppinion then the one you have right now. 

 

A loving parents doesn't always give their child everything they want at the second they demand to their parents what it is they want.  Sometimes loving parents place boundaries on their children to protect them.  In the same way God is like that with us. 

 

As my pastor says, "God cares more about our character then in our comfort,"

 

God desires to bring about change in our lives, as He shapes and molds us that we become the men and women that He has created us to be as image bearers.  That means that we don't always get what we want and sometimes life is uncomfortable.  And living in a world that is fallen from it's original design means that we will experience hardship, pain, suffering, difficulties.  Not one single person is born as God originaly intended but in relationship with Him the one and only God we do embrace a journey of discovering God's original intent for our lives. 

 

 

I don't believe there is a god, at least not the Christian god, it's simply not plausible to me at all.

So to me you are going by emotions, you feel the your god and you feel the need to worship him. These are all emotions based on no evidence, just as a person who says they are born gay...there is little evidence of that (yet) but they feel it to their core that they have no choice in being/they were born gay.

And I'm sorry, but living as a gay person in this country is NOT comfortable. I've done it. I've been there.

But you are right, we will never agree. I go by reason, logic and evidence to form my opinions. You go by religion. So we will probably never see eye to eye

I fail to see how you go by reason, logic and evidence to form your oppinions when there has yet to be any study out there that has yet to prove that homosexuality is inborn.  Has there been this discovery that has yet to be acknowledged to actualy prove homosexuality to be in-born?  Has anything come to show that people are actualy born gay?  If you were going by logic, reason and evidence then you must know some facts that I have yet to see.

 

And there is not one person outside of me who knows the motives of my heart and so it's kind of ridiculous for you to make such statements that you know my heart.

 

You don't understand why I choose to surrender my life to Jesus Christ as both Lord and Savior.  It had nothing to do with feelings and emotions but rather coming to the place of recognizing God for who He is.  That is my heart and not one single person can say anything different unless you can somehow get a glimps into my heart.  That is impossible for you to do. 

 

If I were to go by my feelings and emotions I would not be living the life I am today.  I know all to well what it's like to have same-sex attractions and of which I never wanted nor asked for.  To me, this Christian life has little to do with trying to be straight but rather a pursuite of God in my life.  As a result change is happening.  I still recognize same-sex attractions, I have always said that my feelings are a very real part of me but they do not define who it is that I am.  If I went by my feelings and emotions I would allow my feelings and emotions to define who it is that I am.

 

I clearly do not allow my feelings and emotions to dictate how I choose to live my life.  To say that I am allowing my feelings and emotions to dictate how I choose to live my life is an illogical conclusion based on the fact that if I did, I would not be living a life that God has originaly intended for me.

 

Do you read my entire posts? I never said that I know for a fact that it's inborn...LOL

I have my personal bets, I tend to think that the evidence will support that someday, but I'm not fooling myself.

Allow me to introduce myself, I am a skeptic...LOL...I really don't have any strong thoughts on anything. EVERYTHING is tentative to me, because I can always be proven wrong, I have ego wrapped up in it.

And your feelings for your god are stronger than you sexual leanings...but they are none the less feelings. You have no evidence of your god, all you have is emotion invested in your god. And your emotion isn't any more reliable than that of a gay person who claims they were born that way.

That was my only point.

I meant to say that I don't bother to have ego wrapped up in it.

In reference to some people while talking on the issue of homosexuality...

 

Some may have their ego wrapped up in it all and it's a good thing that you are not like that.

Hi everyone! The big 'ol lesbo with strong emotions is back! I went on vacation for a while (with my lovely and beautiful Wife) and I come back to the same argument ongoing.

 

Thanks so much Purplepain for taking over in my absence! I agree 100% with everything you have written. You are so right that all the posts have been based on feelings and not on anything that can be backed up 100% with fact, including religion. BRAVO!

 

*waves to Eden* Long time no type! It seems like you and Purple have come to the same place we did, that you have to agree to disagree.

 

But by all means don't stop typing what you're both feeling....it's too entertaining to miss!

 

 

 

 

You are right....we will have to agree to disagree but there is one thing that is really frustrating me at the moment.  With all do respect, I am not basing my faith or how I choose to live my life upon feelings.  Because Lord knows my feelings and emotions would definatly take me onto a path that is not stable.  I don't know about you or anyone else, I just know for myself that if I were to live my life based upone feelings and emotions my life would not be as stable as it is today.  Feelings and emotions don't tend to be stable throughout life. 

 

I don't believe in God because I feel Him and I don't live my life because I feel it's the right way to live.  I don't have the time right now to prove the validity of scripture nor do I even want to continue this silly debate on whether or not I myself am choosing to live my life according to my feelings and emotions of which not one single person can say different because they don't know me.  With all do respect that is.

 

Bottom line is...I have yet to find a study out there that reveals homosexuality to be in-born.  People say they were born gay because of how they feel.  There is absolutely no fact out there to support such claims as homosexuality being in-born.  And so, right now the only thing that people have to support their in-born homosexual claim is by how they feel. 

 

Putting religion aside for one moment....the only things that studies do show is a multi-cause factor.  Homosexuality is a very complex issue and so every single person is different and their life experiences are also different.  I don't believe it's a cut and dry issue and so there will be various differences within each person's story. 

 

The one thing that studies have yet to disprove are environment factors....

 

Much like the study on the neurons within the human brain.

 

I was talking to a couple of neuroscientists about the brain function of the human brain.

I asked them a question....

 

"Is it true that in your studies in neuroscience students are now being taught that the neurons in our human brain do actualy change as a consequence to experience?"

 

He said, "Yes, we are also taught that the human brain changes throughout the entire life of the human.  Not only that but sex causes more change in the human brain then drugs, even the first time sexual experience will send shock waves like reaction throughout the entire brain and as a result the human brain is never the same as it was before."

 

And so back to Dr. LeVay's study of the INAH3, neuroscientists now discard this study and talk about not only how flawed it is but to make a point that since neurons are continualy changing throughout the life time of the human there is not much stable information one can gather through the neurons in the brain.  Which make it even more difficult for anyone to find a single one cause to homosexuality.  However, there is much to say how experience just may be a factor involved to the development of homosexuality. 

 

Not talking religion here, talking about the scientific studies on homosexuality. 

 

sincerely,

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