Topic : 06/06 "I'm Gay, OK?"

God did not make anyone gay!  

No one is born gay! Everyone is born with the potential to be righteous, clean, and successful individuals. Becoming homosexual is a 100 percent CHOICE! Everyone is born with a body that is subject to temptation and carnal desire. Everyone grows up in a different environment.....different exposure to homosexual people just like every parent has a different way of teaching their children what to think about gays. No matter what people say about the fact that they grew up in a "good Christian home" or in an abusive one, their environment had a lot to do with their lifestyle. If they had been born into another family with other views, chances are, they wouldn't have turned out how they did. 

God won't take those desires away from us. Neither with he make us immune to them. Someone can have gay desires and not act on them---does not mean they have to live a heterosexual life, like get married, have kids, etc. They should find a way to deal with that. 

Not everyone.  

What if a grown MAN (petophile) has molests and rapes a teenage BOY? attracted to women (heterosexual) or attracted to males (gay)? 

What if a MALE priest has sex with 15 year old BOY? attracted to women (heterosexual) or attracted to males (gay)? 

Yes, God loves all of his children, yet he does not want any of us to fall into or be led off into sin.  The Bible says that homosexuality is a sin and a perversion.  That seems pretty clear to me.  The Bible is not some sort of buffet where you pick and choose just the things you like; you need to accept it all.  When you can’t accept it all, it’s essentially calling the Almighty a liar, and therefore you are sinning in your unbelief.  After someone is baptized and saved they are to try to live a pure life, not continue to willfully sin.  Satan has led many through his lies and deception down this path of perversion and homosexuality.  I think that when people realize that Satan has them in a stronghold, that they can break free and come to the Lord, with help and counseling, and by getting into and understanding His Word.  We can help them by loving them and by trying to be a good example of a Christian.  The first woman on the show also sleeps with men.  Where does the Bible say fornication is acceptable to God?  Marriage is between one man and one woman, and sex is to be saved for the marriage bed. 

I was so suprised that Anjela's mother shared the same views as I do. I think she was 100 percent right! 

Points she made that I absolutely agreed with: 

NO ONE IS BORN GAY--IT IS A CHOICE. 

YOU CAN HAVE HOMOSEXUAL FEELINGS BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO ACT ON THEM. 

I absolutely agree. I think Anjela was selfish and like her sister, Em said, she wanted to proclaim her sexuality to the world and wanted everyone to be O.K. with that. If you weren't with her, you were against her--no exceptions or gray area. You could tell that she wasn't interested in hearing others out, she just wanted attention. 

I've said this before. It does not matter if you were born in "a good Christian home" or an abusive one or anything in between.....your environment had lots to do with who you are now. If you are a gay person, and you think you were born this way, stop trying to justify yourself--it is not true. If you were born into another family in another country perhaps, chances are, you wouldn't be how you are today. It just doesn't depend in what church you grew up in, if any, it depends on so much more-----your exposure to gay people growing up (were you around gay people a lot? did your family have many gay family friends? was a family member gay? or were you completely isolated from gays and forbidden to go near them?), how your parents brought you up to look at gays (did they tell you it was not acceptable? did they tell you it was O.K. because "God made them that way"? did they tell you it was a sin? did they tell you to stay away from them?), or course, your family status (abusive home? divorced parents? only child?).  

All these thing put together contribute to who were are. 

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE---if you have something you'd like to say, if you'd like to debate, if you have objections, PLEASE, reply to this message. I'm not on the computer every day, so if you reply I might not see it until a couple days later. 

thanks! 

I have been. I didn't say you shouldn't get married--I said you didn't have to to try to cover up your homosexuality. 

you said:Jesus didn't mention sex but he certainly mentioned marraige in the joining of one woman and one man to become one flesh.
Your point being? 

Leviticus has been addressed many times. Good then we can dispense with it. 

Judging has been addressed.  Good , then don't condemn gays. 

You have not addressed the passage correctly. Paul says that he judges his BROTHER is inexcusable. He is saying it specifically in the context of temple activities in which men lie with other men. These were heterosexual men and their lying with other men was unnatural for them. 

Condemning people is a different matter than judging behavior. But we are exhorted to judge our OWN behaviour, not that of others. 

It still isn't clear that homosexuality per se is grievously wrong, and that persecuting gays is justified. Romans is certainly not the hard evidence.