Topic : 06/06 "I'm Gay, OK?"

 At what point did you choose to be heterosexual? I am heterosexual, and have known that I was since I was eight (when I first became interested in the other gender), but for the life of me can't remember ever having to choose it. How about you?  

  

I try and put myself in the other guys shoes and so I imagined what it would be like if things were reversed and my sexual preference (hetro) was unacceptable to the world.   

  

Would I be able to live celibate? giggle-nope!  

Would I be able to convert? No offense to gay women but you couldn't pay me to put my mouth there! 

  

If you can imagine life from their perspective, you may be able to live with a lot less judgement and hatred.  If you believe in god and you believe he created gay people, you have to believe that he had a purpose and a plan for them.  Your hatred may be a roadbock for his plan, non? 

Oh, same-gender relationships, aka homosexual relationships, are quite common in the animal world. In the animal kingdom, there are species which have heterosexuals, bisexuals, and homosexuals.  

  

If the person who wrote the above quote were willing to do some educational research, either online or at a local large public library, he or she would find quite a bit about homosexuality and homosexuals in various species of animals, birds, mammals, and even animals like lizards. In fact, there is one species of a lizard in which there are no males at all. I saw that on a PBS Nature show.  

  

The Whole Bible is NOT God's Word (aka the Word of God). If it were, the word's of the Devil and Humans would not even be in it. Lot's of times, ignorant people read something from the Bible, without even understanding the context and claim, "Since it is in the Bible, God said it!"  

  

In fact, the author called "John" refers to Jesus the Christ as the Word of God. For believers in Jesus the Christ, aka "Christians" since 327 AD, there was no NEW TESTAMENT officially until 397 AD. That was 300 years AFTER the book of Revelation was written. And it was the idea of a supposely converted Emperor, Constantine, that a Bible be created and that a creed be created. It took over 60 years before those so-called "Early Church Fathers" could make up their minds as to what should be in a Bible. Some of the very works that are mentioned in the accepted Books were rejected by those "Fathers" because they did not agree with the Eastern Orthodox's doctrines.  

  

I will never truly understand why people say that being gay is heritary; I say (and strongly believe) that it's a choice.  Now as for this young lady who is stating that she's gay and a Christian is like saying that oil and water do mix.  Her parents should still love her dispite this, and if they are also Christians (I hope born-again Christians), they should know that Jesus wants them to do just that.  I will be praying that this young lady will understand that she is ripping Jesus' heart into pieces with her choice of homosexuality, yet He will still keep on loving her.  I strongly believe that homosexuality is a sin and that this young lady needs to repent and change her ways.  If she's been hiding these feelings for a long time, they have more than likely taken deep roots and will take a long time to transplant.  If this is so, she should get some good, Christian counseling (preferrably within her church) and start the long process of reteaching herself and retraining her thoughts.  If there is one thing that I'd like to say to her it would be that God still loves her.  He doesn't like her choices, but He loves her nonetheless.  That's why He sent Jesus to earth, to live among, and to die for our sins.  That's why this is going to be a topic that will generate a lot of talking.

I was raised in the very same way that my brothers and sisters were. While my late older brother was sexually active with guys until he was in his early 20s and got married at age 24, neither my younger brother nor my two sisters, one older than me and the other younger, is homosexual in their sexual orientation.  

  

When we played indoors as children growing up, we boys often played with our sisters and their dolls, too. 

  

But, when we played outdoors, our sisters played with our cars and trucks, and other supposedly "boy's toys" right along with us.  

  

Oh, I quit "organized religion" a long time ago. "Religion" in proper explanation is a set of rules humans, one or more, made up as to how one is supposed to live. But, salvation and spirituality in Jesus the Christ is living according how the Holy Spirit tells you how to live your own life.  

  

Spirituality has to do with one's attitude toward one's higher power, whether on the inside or above, towards one's environment, towards others around one and one's attitude towards one's own self.  

  

My parents nor any other human being is the cause of my sexual orientation being exclusively homosexual. I tried to date women and even hoped to marry one to supposedly make myself "spiritually complete" as a person according to what was taught in the churches I attended during the first 40 years of my life. 

  

But, I became complete spiritually when I accepted Jesus into my heart when I was 8 years old and I did that by my own choice. My parents were both Believers, aka "Christians" in Jesus and did not demand that we believe like they did. In fact, they taught us to study the Bible on our own outside of our daily family Bible study and prayer times and outside of going to church services.  

  

One's sexual orientation, especially for men, is determined by toward whom and where in his own body he experiences physiological sexual attraction ("PSA") sensations. "Physiological" means 'in the person's body" and not in the brain.  

  

For NORMAL men or boys even, they experience those physiological sexual attraction sensations below-the-waist, behind-the-pubic-bone, in-the-area-of-the-prostate when another person is in the immediate area and his body is telling him that other person might be sexually compatible. If the "PSA" is directed to a woman or girl close by, he is experiencing a heterosexual sexual attraction. 

  

If the PSA is directed toward another man (or another boy for minors), he is experiencing a homosexual sexual attraction. 

  

So, for those who experience only opposite gender PSAs, they are exclusively heterosexual in their sexual orientation. 

  

And for those who experience only same gender PSAs, they are exclusively homosexual in their sexual orientation. 

  

Those who experience PSAs to both genders are definitely bisexual in their sexual orientation. One can experience only one PSA toward a member of the opposite sex while all the rest of them are toward the same sex and still be a bisexual.  

  

Now, there are people who are addicted to a variety of pornography and do get sexually aroused by it and that has no connection with sexual orientation. Addiction of this type occurs in the Brain, not in the body. Men can like homosexual pornography but yet be turned off with the idea of have same-gender sexual activity.  

  

Oh, members of this message board forum should be paying attention that Dr. Phil also is a Believer in Jesus the Christ. But, sometimes, I think that he should not be using non-Christ-like expressions when he talks, such as "What in the hell were you thinking?" And using the word "ass" when referring to someone's behind.  

I also give a resounding, and hearty "AMEN" to that.  To whomever wrote the original message, I say "Thank you" for your boldness.  Now only if you have written it in such a way that you could have included the young lady that will be appearing in this show.  I also wish you could have quoted the verse(s) where God states that He doesn't want (or like) homosexuality.  If I could talk with her, I'd ask:  "Does she believe that she is made in God's image?"  I'd then ask:  "Do you also believe that you are beautifully and wonderfully made?"  And finally:  "Then why, when God wanted to create a partner for Adam, did He not create another man?"  If God intended for us to be homosexual, He would have created a way for men to inpregnant other men and women to inpregnant other women.  The first two people on this earth weren't of the same gender--they were separate.  Also think about this:  Even science won't dispute this fact--look at how perfectly our sexual organ work together.  (Warning:  the following may be to graphic for some people.  If so, stop reading)  Look at how the penis is shaped to easily fit into the vigina.  God knew what He was doing when He created man and woman.

"Pedophilia" which should be called "pederastia" when refering to sexual activity with minor-age children, boys or girls, has absolutely no connection with homosexuality.  

  

Literally speaking, the Greek word "pedophilia" means "normal human love/affection for boys who have not yet reached puberty." The word itself originally had no connection with sexual activity. The "ped" part of the word is from "pedo" for "boy" younger than an adolescent. An "ephebos" is a male adolescent.  

  

"Pederastia" literally sexual activity with pre-adolescent boys of even sexual activity of those boys with each other, has been replaced, erroneously by the word "pedophilia." So for the sake of this discussion thread, I will use pedophilia, too. 

  

It has been federally documented that 95 per cent of all pedophilia cases pertain to males who are exclusively heterosexual in their self-identification and are/were in relationship with women, either their wives or girlfriends. The gender of the child, either boy or girl, really makes no difference to a pedophile. It is just which is more available to the person. 

  

2.5 per cent of those pedofiles in that documentation were women and even then, most of them were in relationship with men. In the Tulsa, OK newsmedia, almost every case of an adult woman having sexual activity with a minor has the woman self-identified as a heterosexual. And, in the majority of them, the woman has a man involved in the sexual abuse, too.  

  

Now the remaining 2.5 per cent are homosexuals, but, in those cases the majority of time, the man who had sexual activity with boys was mentally ill and just though he was the same age as those boys, because mentally speaking he was that immature. 

After dating for 2 years, lived together for 2 years, and 6 years of marriage and two kids.  My ex-husband decided he wanted men and not women.  The kids were 2 and 3 when he left.  All I asked of him was not to do anything in front of the kids, but he does.  My kids are 17 and 15 know.   They do not like his way of life but they will go visit him.  Right know they cannot visit him because he is in prison because he molested my 15 year olds friend when they were spending the night at his house.  I hate my ex-husband for putting my kids through this.  I feel if you are going to be gay do it in your own bedroom and not in public.  My kids grew up being very confused and not understanding what it is being gay.  They could not understand why 2 men are together.  Know that they are older they understand, but they believe it is wrong.  My son is very depressed and angry with his dad and if he saw him on the street he would proble try and kill him.  My daughter is confussed and writes to him some times.  As for me I hope he dies in prison. 

My observation is that for the most part, people are poorly educated on  a social level.  That is, we are far to quick to judge someone in the short term.  With little or no real facts available, we place judgement on others and events that require an in-depth analysis before any remotely reasonable decison can be reached. 

  

Having studied most recently, the scientific explanation of "conception, gender, sex and birth," I became painfully aware of my own shortcomings in this area of biological science,  endocrinology and obstetrics.  Considering the virtual complexity of these subjects, I must say, without a doubt in miy mind at this time, we all need to be better educated before employing any references that might simply be mis-quoted, mis-understood, or mis-directed at any particular cultural reference such as gay, lesbian, transgendered or transsexual in nature.  Our current system of education on these subjects is founded more often than not in poorly defined, street lessons, accquired at a time that we are mostly influenced by our own lack of self-worth and hormone confusion in our adolescent years. 

  

Until we can learn to debate and not argue on the subject, we will continue to share in the "ignorance is bliss" game that we use extensively to explain our bad behavior toward others that we find different from us.  "Birds of a feather" have flocked together around the globe forming Countries of difference.  Borders are established and from this springs forth a social division that cannot seem to be overcome at any level in our society. 

  

  

  

  

Until we can learn to debate and not argue on the subject, we will continue to share in the "ignorance is bliss" game that we use extensively to explain our bad behavior toward others that we find different from us.  "Birds of a feather" have flocked together around the globe forming Countries of difference.  

  

Much agreed, but it's more than countries of difference, but even regions. I've been clicking on the user names of many of the people who somehow believe that what gender you're attracted to is a choice, and find that sadly, many of them come from the South. I hate believing in stereotypes, but these people are doing little to prove them wrong. 

  

Furthermore, I notice that no-one seems to be interested in actual DEBATE for the most part. No-one had the courage to try to answer my questions. Coming from a heterosexual man who prefers to treat people as individuals rather than groups, here are my questions: 

  

* Many gay people talk about having felt "different" from their peers going back to when they were little kids. Why is that? Does this mean anything in the long run?  

   

* What is "homosexuality"? I think we need to define the term. Is it the actions? Or is it feeling attracted to the same sex?  

   

* What could cause someone to be attracted to the same sex? If something causes homosexuality, then how often has it occured throughout history, and has that changed at all due to culture?  

   

* Many "ex-gays" struggle with their same-sex attraction. Why do you think that is? Do you feel their homosexuality has been "cured" or not? Why or why not?  

   

* At what point did you choose to be heterosexual? I am heterosexual, and have known that I was since I was eight (when I first became interested in the other gender), but for the life of me can't remember ever having to choose it. How about you?  

  

Please make an effort to answer those. If you avoid those questions, I can only assume you are afraid of the answers.