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Topic : 06/06 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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(Original Air Date: 10/19/05) Sexual orientation used to be something kept hidden from family and co-workers, but now more and more people are "coming out" and finding acceptance. Anjela says her mother and sister don't support her sexual orientation, and feel she can't be Christian and gay at the same time. Can they reconcile this touchy issue? Then, two men debate whether a person can go from gay to straight, and parents of a 4-year-old boy fear their son's desire to play with dolls and wear heels means he'll grow up to be gay. Are they overreacting to his wishes to be a princess instead of a prince? Talk about gender and gay issues here.


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October 19, 2005, 11:46 am PDT

Don't know much about homosexuality

however, it does say in the Word that homosexuals shall not enter the gates of Heaven (1 Cor 6:9-10).  Along with this it does say that "other offenses" will not allow you in either.  That is why repentence is necessary.  However, repentence is an active verb.  The act of it means you will, with God's help, turn away from the sin.  I will not judge any other human, but I will speak the truth.  I don't "hide behind hate the sin, love the sinner", I abide by it.  Jesus did it, so should I.  We welcome everyone in our church b/c just as well people don't need a doctor, spiritually unwell people need God.  We shouldn't turn anyone away.  I have read a couple times that if "God doesn't want me homosexual, why is it so hard to turn away from?".  Well, God doesn't want us to sin, but it sure is tempting and easy enough.  It is only by the power of the Holy Spirit that we can turn away from these things.  When the Bible says that if we ask, it shall be given, don't forget the part that says according to His Will.  I believe we forget about our free will and get caught up in that God should just "fix us".  That won't happen as easy as it sounds.  Seek His will for you and in seeking the kingdom of God, you will find your answers.  God bless. 

  

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October 19, 2005, 12:05 pm PDT

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OK...this is a major issue for me.  I am a lesbian in a rural area and I'm still in high school so I'm really sensitive towards a lot of the hate and other less-destructive but still as hurtful discrimination that goes on in society towards gays, lesbians, bisexuals, and transsexuals.  I have family members who say very painful things about my sexuality.  Even when the things they say aren't meant to hurt me, they still do.  Lots of straight people don't seem to see that.  I know some people in the queer community who don't let this stuff bother them, or say it doesn't bother them, just because they're older and have been out of the closet longer.  But I don't think that, as I get older, I'll feel any less hurt by what some homophobes say about me and my queer friends.  I don't think hearing those destructive, ignorant things will ever become easier.  Queer people die all the time at the hands of radical homophobes, and I feel like if I don't do my part to try to stop that from happening, even if I continue to get hurt in the process, who will?  If proud queers and straight allies of proud queers don't do their part to stop the abuse, how will queers ever get a real chance to experience the true freedom and liberty that straight people do? 
 
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October 19, 2005, 12:15 pm PDT

The only problem I have with gays is...

 The only problem I have with gay men is that they are GAY which means they are off limits to women like me (who is married anyway, but I wasn't always).  It's hard to find a nice guy in the world today, and it seems like when you do find them, you find out they're gay!  I had the biggest crush on this guy in high school just to find out he was gay.  I was crushed!  Oh well, such is life I guess.
 
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October 19, 2005, 12:16 pm PDT

show today

hey everybody 

  

i have not seen the show but ive been reading some of the psts i agree with the people who say homosexualty is a sin yes im a christain my best friend told me he was gay a few years ago i had a hrd tiem dealing with it i still do becuase i still want to love him but not agree with what hes doing with his life.  But i know only god can change him!  so i do believe god can change people. for those who are saved think about what you wer before you were not you didnt change automatically on your own it was god working in  you to change you. 

  

ive realized the only thing i can do is love my friend hes a wonderful person but i alos know he needs a savior just like i did! 

 
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October 19, 2005, 12:22 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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It's not a matter of pushing something on them I can tell you that for sure.  My son is also 15 and just "came out" to me about a month ago.  We have suspected this since he was about 2 or 3 also.  It's not all about the dressing up like a girl or playing with girl toys.  My 15 year old was an only child for 7 years.  It was just something about him, in his personality, part of him.  We just had some suspicions but put them in the back of our mind all through his growing up.  We thought, well, if he is he'll tell us otherwise it will just be a suspicion until proven otherwise.  NO ONE that has known my son all his life was even close to surprised when he told them that he was gay.  There are obviously some more accepting of it than others and that is where my worry comes in for him because just like any parent, we all want to protect our children from hurt and pain.  I don't want his heart broken.  I don't want him to be socially rejected by people.  I want people to love my son for who he is as a person.  Loving, caring, honest, hard working, thoughtful and  considerate.  He's wonderful!  The day my son told me he was gay the first thing I said to him was "Just make sure you know WHO you are 100%...then if you do, or when you do...then just make sure to LOVE yourself 100% for who you are!"  I think he has it hard enough trying to gain social acceptance as a gay person that the last thing his needs to worry about is whether his parents and family and true friends are going to still love him or judge him.
 That's true.  If there is anyone in the world that should show their love and support, it's a parent.  Thanks for responding to my question.  Your son sounds like a wonderful person.
 
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October 19, 2005, 12:22 pm PDT

I'm gay and I know awhat the bible says

For all those chiristians out there, who think they know everything about the bible, well your wrong cause the bible says that even though being gay may be a sin, that it doesnt matter because no matter what god will always forgive you (practice forgivness) and it also states that god loves all his children no matter what and he wants us to be happy so it doesnt really matter whether you are gay or not.
 
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October 19, 2005, 12:25 pm PDT

What about gay/lesbian discrimination?

 Have you ever noticed how hypocritical people are against gay men versus Lesbians?  People are MUCH more accepting of lesbians or bisexual women then they are of gay men.  In fact, some people even find Lesbians or bisexual women to be a turn on!!  Has anyone else ever noticed this?  If you say being gay is wrong, it should be wrong for everyone, not just men.  If you say it's right, then it should be right for everyone as well.
 
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October 19, 2005, 12:26 pm PDT

God loves us all

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 Wow!  What an amazing post.  Thank you, thank you, thank you.

I hope more people read this and are enlightened.

  hey guys- i am so sorry for you all.  You seem so confused and someone has deceived you tremendously.  True Christians ARE NOT JUDGING.  But leave it to the world, and we will all be led astray.  True Christians are only trying to help you understand the TRUTH according to GOD.  Many people say that the Bible does not apply to us anymore, or that SOME of it is true.  I am so sorry for those who feel this way and I WILL be praying for you!   God loves us all so much, and yes, he loves the homosexual, just as he does the alcoholic and the drug addicted crack parent.  Homosexuality is NOT something we are born with.  God made us, and He made us in HIS image.  Homosexuality is NOT merely an alternative lifestyle.  The dark one wants us all to beleive this, so that is the popular world thought.  The devil wants us all to be confused and turn away from God and not use our God given lives and resources for God's kingdom.  Do we really think that God, who made Heaven and Earth all of us, breathed life into us, sees past and future, and  inspired the writers of HIS HOLY BIBLE would only have them write what was pertinent for awhile?  NAH........ Please read ALL of these scriptures.......... Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, Romans 1:26-27, Genesis 19:1-11, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, 1 Timothy 1:8-10 

This world saddens me so much.  The devil will do all he can to confuse us and harm us and keep us from being used by God for God.  Homosexuality is only conquered BY God.  Only a pure heart truly wanting to change, being humble before him, can attain His help.  Only the heart matters to God, not  what our lips sAY.  He loves us so much and only wants a RELATIONSHIP with us.  Just talk to HIM honestly and humbly.  He will give you peace that passeth all understanding!!!!!!!!!! 

And as for the many religions of the world , well there is only ONe way to Heaven.  Jesus Christ.  Being a Christian is the only 'religion' ...........Jesus is the only way, and I am only saying this because it is the truth and I want to share it with all of you........ sorry if this offends, but the Bible , Matthew :24:4-8, 12-14 predicts this............ 

I will be praying for you  and that Jesus' truth finds those who need him 

  

 
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October 19, 2005, 12:30 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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For all those chiristians out there, who think they know everything about the bible, well your wrong cause the bible says that even though being gay may be a sin, that it doesnt matter because no matter what god will always forgive you (practice forgivness) and it also states that god loves all his children no matter what and he wants us to be happy so it doesnt really matter whether you are gay or not.

I'm a christian, but I don't believe I know everything about the Bible.  So, are you saying that you believe being gay is a sin?  Tell me where it says no matter what God will forgive you.  That isn't what mine says, but then again, I don't know everything there is to know about it.  Mine says that I have to accept Jesus Christ as my savior and repent for my sins in order to be forgiven.  I do practice forgiveness, but just b/c you're gay doesn't mean "I" have to forgive you for anything.  That is between you and God.  God does, indeed, love all His children.  But, He also knows many will deny Him and His ways.  That hurts Him deeply.  He does want us to be happy, but our happiness is not to sacrifice His will for us.  I would appreciate you citing where it is though that God will forgive us no matter what.  Thanks. 

  

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October 19, 2005, 12:30 pm PDT

No it's not OK

You people need to go back and read the bible.  Being a christian is a day-to-day struggle for everyone for all types of sins, not just homosexuality.   You all can be forgiven and God (and probably only God), who made us all can help you overcome it.  The problem is that this society has pushed this agenda for so long that when our children are very young they are being taught that this is okay, when God clearly says it is NOT.   Read Leviticus 18:22 "thou shalt not lie with a mankind as with womankind".  What part of that says that its ok?  God did not create a man for man, he created WOMAN.   This is the same type of "abomination" in God's eyes as beastiality.  God's rules have never changed, its man that keeps making up new rules and looking at the bible as something to be debated.  If you study the bible and pray to God, he will show you the way and help you learn and do what you need to do about it. 

  

I know that this is apparently a very unpopular view looking at the first few messages on this message board, but Jesus also tells us that, as christians, we will all be persecuted for our beliefs at some time.  For all of you who choose to make the bible say what you WANT it to say by taking things out of context, one day those who are not saved will wish they were never born.  Personally when I'm standing there on judgement day, shaking in my boots, just like everyone else, I certainly don't want my child looking at me saying "mom why didn't you tell me that this is wrong". 

  

I do not hate any of these people (homosexuals), but I hate what they are doing and I hate them shoving it down my throat every day of my life.  I'm tired of TV making this funny and acceptable and my having to defend what is normal to my children. 

  

  

  

 
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