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(Original Air Date: 10/19/05) Sexual orientation used to be something kept hidden from family and co-workers, but now more and more people are "coming out" and finding acceptance. Anjela says her mother and sister don't support her sexual orientation, and feel she can't be Christian and gay at the same time. Can they reconcile this touchy issue? Then, two men debate whether a person can go from gay to straight, and parents of a 4-year-old boy fear their son's desire to play with dolls and wear heels means he'll grow up to be gay. Are they overreacting to his wishes to be a princess instead of a prince? Talk about gender and gay issues here.


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October 19, 2005, 2:41 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: indianasux

I am a creation of God, and I am proud.  I am also a gay woman in the middle of Catholic hypocrisy.  I do not believe in man-made religion that uses God as a means to hide its own homosexual pedophilia, and then in the same breath hate and discriminate against all who don't agree with every word these self-proclaimed "holy men" speak.  Where does their God stand on that issue?  Where is the outrage in the Catholic Church? 

  

I don't believe in religion, I believe in spirituality.  Spirituality comes in many forms of belief, not just those which Christians find righteous.  I love my fellow men and women and disapprove of all hateful and mean-spirited behavior.  I will never hurt another human being or animal but will treat all creations as sacred.  But to many, regardless of my inner love, I am an abomination in the eyes of their God.  This is why these Christians have no ground to stand on and preach their "morals". 

  

I have been in a monogamous, committed relationship for 11 years this Friday.  This is longer than both my and my partner's parents were married.  Heterosexuals have not set the bar for successful relationships or marriage and not all homosexuals are promiscuous like the first guest on today's show.  I found that guest as appalling as straight people who sleep around and are proud of it.  Sleeping around is a problem that spreads across the globe, in both gay and straight people and both men and women.   

  

I found Dr. Phil's show to be pretty worthless in shedding light on any causes.  He never spoke up about anything, he never risked alienating anyone by offering any pyschological insight about how hard it is to be homosexual in this increasingly homophobic, religious-controlled society.  The only thing positive he said for gay people is to the first guest about her not being worthless... big leap there.  How did this show help teenagers in high school struggling with who they are?  Who did this show help?  No one... it came off as depicting homosexuality as something that is curable and can be ignored amongst family members... this is so far from the truth.  I have lost complete respect for Dr. Phil.  He did not stand up for people being pyschologically abused everyday in the name of God.  God has nothing to do with it.  People do and Dr. Phil is usually about calling people on their misconceptions.  He failed today. 

  

Being gay is part of our Creator's plan and those of us strong enough to follow the path set out for us will be rewarded for our strength and courage, as will those who offer love and support.  Hate will not be rewarded, no matter its disguise. 

Happy Anniversary to you and your partner. 

  

I think what you have said was very well spoken.  I applaude you for living your life the way your heart leads you, instead of the way society and upbringging leads you.  Kudos to you!  Here is to another 11 joyful years to the two of you! 

 
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October 19, 2005, 2:41 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: moondragon

Recently I have become a Chrstian and now attend church regularly.  I have struggled to understand what God wants for me, and how this pertains to my orientation.  There was a book written by E.T. Sundby, "Calling the Rainbow Nation Home" which has really helped me understand my love of God even though I am gay.  So much of the bible has been misinterpreted over the years due to inaccurate trasnlation into other languages.  I think people need to understand that it is honestly not a choice. I did not choose to be gay.  Why would I want to be the black sheep of the family?   

  • All translations of the Holy Bible state that homosexuality is a sin. The KJV, NIV and NAS translations are word for word translations. This means they were translated from the original Hebrew and Greek texts. You are looking for an "out" for your sin., which is human nature. No one is sinless, except Jesus. But we are told to confess our sins and give them to God. When your sin becomes a lifestyle, your are not living in the way God has asked us to: Galations chapter 5 says...
  •     16So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature. 17For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with each other, so that you do not do what you want. 18But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law.

        19The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.  

        22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. 25Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other. 

Please get counceling from a trusted christian councelor. 

 
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October 19, 2005, 2:41 pm PDT

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I think it was wrong that Dr. Phil  did not tell this couple to let the child play with what he wanted to play with, as long as he's happy. It's not always up to us to mode our children the way we want them to be, sometimes God has another plan. THEY ARE WHO THEY ARE.  I am a female and I was considered a tomboy growing up . I am now 41 and not gay. That's the problem with this world, we want everybody to be and do what we want  and expect. Except people as they are, and this world will be a much happier place.
This is funny.  Where on Earth did I say that I didn't accept people for who they are.  Believe it or not, I was a tomboy growing up.  They didn't just call me that, I was.  I'm not gay.  What does THAT have to do with ANYTHING?!?  You are funny.  I don't EXPECT anyone to be ANYTHING.  I am simply stating what the Bible says.  I have 3 VERY different children.  They are who they are and I accept them for that.  I have NO idea WHY ON EARTH people here think b/c I have an opinion of something that I don't accept people who don't agree with me. 
 
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October 19, 2005, 2:42 pm PDT

No, it isn't a choice

Quote From: bridge

Being in Australia means we don't get the same Dr. Phil Show on the same day as America but I can still relate to the messages being posted.  My son is gay and the only mistake I made was telling him I knew before he was ready to tell me.  It took 3 years for him to break his silence and then we both sat down and cried.  I didn't cry because he was gay but because the 3 years of tension could finally be released.  Then a year later he was ready to tell his grandparents (my parents).  He couldn't have been more surprised or happy at their reaction.  He called my Mom to ask both her and grandpa to be together on the phone at a certain time.  When he called back to tell his grandparents that he was gay, his grandmother replied, "Is that all and here I thought you were calling to ask for a loan and was worried we'd have to say no."  She did comment that it was his choice to which he replied that he didn't choose his sexuality.   

No, God doesn't make mistakes, he knew what he was doing when he gave me the gift of my son.   

Your son is lucky to have you for a parent.  My oldest son is gay too, and  I have know since he was small that he was "different", but couldn't put my finger on it.  It was tough dealing with it when I found out and made a lot of mistakes...but now, I accept him for who he is and not what his sexual preference is.  I also love all his friends.  Now, I believe my granddaughter, 17, is gay and she is struggling.  Dr. Phil's program on gays is being shown here this afternoon and I plan on watching it with my daughter and granddaughter.  God Bless.
 
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October 19, 2005, 2:42 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: bridge

Being in Australia means we don't get the same Dr. Phil Show on the same day as America but I can still relate to the messages being posted.  My son is gay and the only mistake I made was telling him I knew before he was ready to tell me.  It took 3 years for him to break his silence and then we both sat down and cried.  I didn't cry because he was gay but because the 3 years of tension could finally be released.  Then a year later he was ready to tell his grandparents (my parents).  He couldn't have been more surprised or happy at their reaction.  He called my Mom to ask both her and grandpa to be together on the phone at a certain time.  When he called back to tell his grandparents that he was gay, his grandmother replied, "Is that all and here I thought you were calling to ask for a loan and was worried we'd have to say no."  She did comment that it was his choice to which he replied that he didn't choose his sexuality.   

No, God doesn't make mistakes, he knew what he was doing when he gave me the gift of my son.   

I wish more people thought like you do.  My son is also gay.  I have known since he was 2yrs old.  He is now  18.  We have a very open and loving  relationship. Begin gay is such a small part of who he is.   I watched a show a few weeks ago and the girl on it had just come out to her mother.  Her mother prayed about it and the next day told her daughter that she had talked to God about it and he told her that he wouldn't have let her fall in love with another woman if it wasn't allright with him.   It made me cry just as your message did.  God didn't make a mistake with my son either.
 
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October 19, 2005, 2:42 pm PDT

Enough Already!

If I read one more comment like "Only God can judge," I am going to scream. 

If you're not a Christian, fine that's on you. But please do not try to characterize the Creator as some neutral based being that doesn't care what you do either way as long as there's love involved. That is not biblical. 

For one, God does love us all and Christ taught us all to love one another. And to be honest, Christians who know this, love everyone, gay or straight.  

However, the Bible says homosexuality is a sin. You can't change the Bible for your convenience, and you can't ignore it simply because it doesn't agree with what you think it should say. 

And yes, no one on this message board is sinless. We all sin, daily, however, that doesn't give anyone the right to sin freely simply because no one can cast a stone. Just because I messed up, doesn't give you free reign to sin as much as you want and expect God to be cool with it. 

Granted, sin is sin. there is no big or small sin. Yet, I think Christians have such a problem with the gay lifestyle because its a sin that lacks repentance. I can curse, sleep with a man out of wedlock or have a hatred for someone in my heart. But the difference between those things and being gay is that I can repent from those things and stop doing them. If you're gay, you're basically saying "God I'm gay, so get over it because I'm not changing."  

And No, God doesn't hate gays, on the contrary he loves them like he loves everyone else. And like everyone else he wants them to rid themselves of a lifestyle that's going to do nothing but lead them down a path of unrighteousness. 

And in response to the woman on the show, just because you're struggling with being gay for the sake of righteousness does not mean that its futile. We ALL struggle with our own demons. For some its alcoholism, drugs, promiscuity, cursing too much or whatever. All those things take a daily commitment to press forward and not give into that temptation. Before I found Christ, I was enjoying my college years: keg parties, sex, drugs, etc. But when I became saved, my behavior changed. I made a conscious effort to stop doing those things. And other things like my language and style of dress changed over time. It's still hard, saying no to an attractive guy or doing the right thing. Being a Christian is tough because it requires sacrifice. Christ gave his life for me to live my life for him. Those of homosexual nature can say the same, its difficult, I'm sure, but it can be done. 

 
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October 19, 2005, 2:43 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: tcphaturos

  

I found today's show disturbing.  While as a Christian I am to emulate the love of Christ I also have a responsibility to express the truth and to do so lovingly. 

  

I have seen first hand the destructive forces of a homosexual lifestyle having lived with a family member that lived and totally embraced this lifestyle.  His life was dark, unhappy and he often abused drugs and alcohol to deal with the emptiness.  He attended a "gay" church and played the piano and was very involved but he never found peace.  The truth was withheld from him and in an effort to be inclusive his lifestyle was glossed over. 

  

The truth is, homosexuality is a sin, just like promiscuity, adultery, fornication.  It is not an orientation any more than choosing to kill is one.  It is a horrible bondage that appears to be just another lifestyle choice but in reality it is a slippery slope into darkness, emptiness and deception.  My uncle died gripped by this deception and never knew the joy and peace anyone can find in a relationship with Jesus Christ.  To tell someone caught in this sin that they are OK, just different and that God will understand and may have even created them this way is as devastating as telling someone sick with cancer that they are OK, just live with it, there is no need to seek a cure.  You are just as good as everyone that does not have cancer.  You have just condemned that person to death.  When we ignore the truth of God's Word and don't love enough to confront sin and show people that there is a cure, we condemn them to eternal death and separation. 

  

When one comes to Jesus Christ for forgiveness and healing of sin that person is not only forgiven but God tells us in His Word that He makes them a new person that is now no longer a slave to sin.  It is still a struggle but if one goes to God daily, seeking Him through prayer, Bible study and the support of other Christians, there is victory.  I know this to be TRUE because of my own life and testimony.  There is a cure for all sin, deception and bondage and it is found in a relationship with Jesus Christ.  If you are searching for the truth and want help go to www.precept..org.  They are a Bible Teaching ministry and are there to help everyone find peace, love and truth God's way.  Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life." 

  

Thanks for taking the time to read this and please pray for all those caught in this lifestyle. 

Tracee 

God Bless you , I agree 100%.
 
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October 19, 2005, 2:44 pm PDT

I totally agree

Quote From: dodson2_k

I am a Christain and God is my Lord and Savior, and I am Gay.  I would be nothing without God in my life.  I do not agree that you can change form being gay. People say it is a choice, and it's not. If I had a choice why would I choice a life of people hating me because I am different or hating me so much they would kill me. Always watching your back because you never know who will like the fact your gay and who would like to hurt you because your gay. I lied to myself for 25 years, saying I wasn't gay or its just a phase I will grow out of it. Praying that i want to be normal. But what is normal anyways? I was depressed all the time, always wanting to kill myself because I had this secret inside of me. I was 25 when I first started to slowly come out and each time I told someone I loved it felt like this big weight that came off of my shoulders. I have wonderful parents, that accepts who I am and just want to see me happy. I am 29 now and I have not been happier in my life. I become more open each and everyday. There are only a few family members that I have not told yet. People say the Bible say's being gay is a sin or you will go to Hell. In the book of Ruth, Ruth was with a woman, and there is another part where two men are together. God is the only one that can judge me and if people want to judge me then they can, but they are sinning just as well, because God say's not to judge people. They say we are all a part of God, God made each one of us different and in their own special way. Well I am just one of those parts just as each and everyone of you are. We are all special in our own way.

Im glad your standing up for the gays.even though im striaght. and 18 with a baby.people judge me,but i dont listen.Im glad you dont either.I hope you find someone you love and spend the rest of your time with.God Bless!!! 

-sheena- 

 
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October 19, 2005, 2:46 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: taytogirl

I am also a practicing catholic.  I practice tolerance and love of all no matter what their orientation.  

  

 I would like to ask you a question.   Should man-woman couples who cannot have children not be allowed to be together either?????  Your argument is so stupid.  Also aids is not a homosexual disease.  Anybody , if the circumstances are just so, can contract aids.  Don't do drugs, don't have numerous sexual partners, these are the only ways to stay clear.  There are many hetrosexual people who have contracted aids.   

  

Your question, "what kind of God would allow that"  this question can be asked about any tragedy that occurs in the world.  Don't ask that question because then you open up a whole lot of other questions  --- What kind of God lets children be born with mental or physical disabbilities?  What kind of God lets natural disasters happen?  What kind of God lets anything happen??????  Stupid question.    

  

One further point. You say that "there is way more to life than sex".  Guess what????  There is more to life than sex.  Just because a person is gay doesn't mean that their whole world is consumed with sex no more than a hetrosexual person's world is consumed with sex.   You need to get with the program. 

if you are gay that doesn't mean you have aids i have a gay friend and i know he doesn't have aids yes alot of them do have aids but can you believe that everyone that is a statistic of aids is gay i can't an i can't believe someone could be blind enough to think that.. i think that society needs to learn how to except everyone like God taught us to he doesn't want us to hate so why should we ask a homosexual person to do one thing and a heterosexual to do another just by who they choose to be with?
 
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October 19, 2005, 2:46 pm PDT

Get A Grip About Being Gay

I watched today's show.  And, I was thoroughly disgusted with the gay daughter who is I felt is all wrapped up in herself.  I felt like her sister was, too.  I have a 23-year-old gay daughter, and believe me, we've had our share of the same type of disagreement.  She says I never want to talk about her life.  That's not true.  Well, maybe it is.  But, not because she's gay.  It's because it's not of interest to me.  Just like my scrapbooking and crafting is not interesting to her.  She's allowed to have her gay friends at our home.  She even went through a civil union with her significant other (whom I absolutely adore), but no, I'm not gonna sit in with them and be a part of their group, because I'm the mom and she's the kid.  She doesn't sit in with my friends.  Her partner lives in England and they cannot be together right now.  I hope someday that will change for them.  I have my religious beliefs.  But, I cannot believe that my loving God would condemn an otherwise good person just because they are gay.  It's not my way of life.  Just like mine isn't my daughter's.  Everyone has to answer for whatever they do in their life.  Whether we believe it's right or wrong.  Everyone is ultimately responsible for themselves.   

  

The young gay girl on the show said gays are killed for being gay.  Yeah.  And, women are killed by rapists because they're a woman.  And, blacks are killed by whites because they are black, and the jews have been killed because they're jews.  And, so on and so on.  That's just how our world is.  It doesn't make it right, but that's how it is.  Don't cry about it, try to make the world a better place.  Not just for gays but for everyone. 

  

Another difference of opinion my daughter and I have had has been over her and her partner "pawing" all over each other in front of myself.  I'm sorry.  I feel that's just disrespectful to me as her mother.  Not because she's gay.  I wouldn't like it any better if her partner was a man.  I feel like there's a time and place for everything.  And, swapping spit in front of your mother just isn't right! 

  

Of course, this is all my opinion.  And, everyone else is entitled to theirs.    

 
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