Topic : 06/06 "I'm Gay, OK?"

I have been in the lesbian lifestyle and have homosexual friends. I can tell you, the issue is not whether you are gay or not it is immorality. If I want to gossip and feel I can't stop does it make it right? Let's face it a guy is physically made for a woman and vice versa. We all have choices to make in life. Right and wrong is always before us.God is very clear on homosexuality. Leviticus 18:22, 1Kings14:24, Romans 1:24,26,27 but let me say all immorality is sin. Here is the truth, we are all sinners. When we accept Jesus Christ as our Savior we are forgiven of our sin, thats why He came, for forgiveness of sin. Does that give us a liscense to sin again? NO.We are to be holy as he is holy. For all you Christians out there 1John asks"How do you know the children of God from the children of the devil? By the love we have one for another." Let's walk in truth.

Don't worry so much about your little boy who plays with the girl toys. My son used to be like that, would rather play with a doll, make-up, etc. instead of the :"BOY" toys we would get him. I had two girls before him and that is all he knew, but my niece who lives very far away came to visit with her three VERY boy, boys.. my son seen them and how they played and with what. By the time they left my son was playing with cars and trucks and really enjoying it. He still likes to play with girl things, but he is now more involved in boy things.... so try having a boy over to play with him, one that likes to play cars and things... and see what happens. I am sure it is just a 'thing' and it will not stay forever.

Dr. Phil was way off base today suggesting the family set limits on topics of conversation in order to get along.  He completely missed the point.  The lesbian daughter doesn't want to talk to her mother and sister about sex, but she does want to share her life with them in the same ways that they share their lives with her.  That does include talking about girlfriends and relationships that are part of who she is and her life.  Is Dr. Phil also going to suggest to her straight sister to not speak of her husband and children because that implies that she's heterosexual and has had heterosexual sex?  Of course not!  That's part of who she is and the important things in her life.  Saying "I love you, but don't tell me anything at all that is in any way related to or implies your sexual orientation, is ludicrous."  It's like telling Dr. Phil to never talk about his wife and children.  If you love someone, you accept them unconditionally, whether you agree with or understand everything about them.

He said about the gay men who have converted and got married and had kids couldn't have if they really were 100% gay.   

  

That's a complete contradiction to his argument.  

    NOT EVERYONE IS CHRISTIAN, BELIEVES IN YOUR BIBLE OR IN JESUS!!  People all over the world are gay--from every race, creed, culture and RELIGION.  Get over you personal religious beliefs and accept that you cannot force anyone on the planet to be you and believe everything you believe

I had a gay friend who died a few years ago.  Before his death, he often took care of his friends who were dying from AIDS, because their families would not have anything to do with them.  He also took care of a co-worker of ours (who, incidentally, was straight) when she had to have a kidney-transplant and her family lived out of town and was not available.  He was also going to take care of myself when I had bariatric surgery, but he died from an apparent heart attack before I had my surgery.  He would take time off from his job to care for people who needed someone with them.    

  

I cannot believe that my God.  My loving and caring God, did not care for him as much as He does for me.  A straight person.  I cannot and will not believe that.  

"godin44" posted: All translations of the Holy Bible state that homosexuality is a sin. The KJV, NIV and NAS translations are word for word translations. This means they were translated from the original Hebrew and Greek texts. You are looking for an "out" for your sin., which is human nature. No one is sinless, except Jesus. But we are told to confess our sins and give them to God. When your sin becomes a lifestyle, your are not living in the way God has asked us to: Galations chapter 5 says... 

  

No, you are quite wrong about word for word English translations of the Bible! If you have copies of the original texts (the very same ones those translators used), and you can read Hebrew and Greek, you will see that none of them are literal "word-for-word" translations. In fact, word-for-word translations are and would be very confusing. When the KJV translated "kodesh" as "sodomite," when the word "kodesh" literally meant "holy," it was not a word-for-word translation; it was a mis-interpretation. "Kodesh" as a verb means to "be or make holy." As a noun, it means a "holy" person, place, or thing. In every place the KJV coined word "sodomite" appears, the context has absolutely no connection with Sodom nor the residents of Sodom; in each instance the religion is always that of the people who lived in the Country of Canaan which was to the west of the Jordan River. Sodom was not in Canaan, it was one of the cities in the Jordan Plain, to the east of the River. We call the Jordan Plain country just Jordan in modern times. 

  

Oh, a person's sin can be come a lifestyle; but, homosexuality, aka homosexual orientation, is NOT a lifestyle. One can choose a lifestyle; but, one cannot choose one's sexual orienation.  

  

Attempting to confess one's sexual orientation as sin is equal to me attempting to confess that I have green eyes because neither my parents nor my siblings have/had green eyes. One is born with one's sexual orientation already determined by God just as one's eye color is determined before birth, too. 

  

Or more dramatically, attempting to confess, as sin, one's sexual orientation is like confessing one's sin of being left-handed instead of right-handed. Our word "sinister" comes from the Latin word for "left" and people who were left-handed used to be told that they were that way because either the devil made them left handed or they were in rebellion against God because they were using their left hands instead of their right hands.  

I fought against my lesbianism for years, but I finally came to the conclusion that God didn't give me a life to waste away fighting against something that's a matter of interpretation anyways. I stopped fighting myself and I've never been happier, or more confident. If someone really thinks being straight will make them happier...more power to them. I think that's more of a matter of them being scared. If religion weren't the issue, then would people even be having this debate? There are lots of factors to consider, but I know that hiding and trying to be something I was not made me miserable and i wouldn't change now if I could. Accept each other and stop pulling humanity apart.

Well I can see you need help understanding how things work! Let me enlighten you with some knowledge....first of all mother earth didn't bless us with anything, God Blessed us with all these things you speak of,  I would hope you believe some things we Christians believe like how the bible says God created the heavens and the "EARTH", it's in black and white in the King James Bible! And if you just pick it up and start reading from Genesis on, you will start to see the truth and know the books of the bible was written by man, but the words and stories written were God speaking to these men whom he himself chose. And with that I will stop "preaching" as you would call it and leave you with something straight out of the bible, that is by the way God's words "1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (NIV): "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters, nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."    

And if that isn't enough to smack you to your senses, pick up the bible and search for the truth yourself. If you ever want to enter the kingdom of God then you have to do what God wants you to do and not what man tells you to do for whatever selfish reasons you have, whether it be pride or just plain denial. I thank God everyday that I have a breath because we are not promised another day, much less another breath. We are like a vapor, one minute we are here and the next minute we are gone. Pray my friend for salvation, because from what I read you are troubled and confused, seek and you will find.  God Bless you and I will pray for you.... 

>applauds< First off, I'd like to say that I agree wholeheartedly with your entire post. 

I don't think that the first family should have even been on an episode featuring homosexuality. The issues in that family had little to do with the older daughter's sexual orientation. The most that was there, was that the mother was judging her daughter and this most likely affected their relationship. Unfortunately, this issue was over-shadowed by the intense sibling dispute going on. I think that this family could have gone to a regular psychologist/therapist and things would have been better. 

  

As far as the issue of "gay men turning straight," I don't think anything they could have said in the span of the show really did the subject any justice. For a comprehensive debate on the subject (which is the form that they seemed to be employing), alot of research would have had to be done for anyone to make a relevent point. It seems that the "converted" man had a very mature view of what factors could lead into being homosexual (in terms of nurture). So you'd think that this man would also have the intelligence and maturity to view other sides of the arguments the same way. 

  

Really, I suppose the whole show was a waste fo time. Except that it got all of these people talking...  ^.~