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Topic : 06/06 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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(Original Air Date: 10/19/05) Sexual orientation used to be something kept hidden from family and co-workers, but now more and more people are "coming out" and finding acceptance. Anjela says her mother and sister don't support her sexual orientation, and feel she can't be Christian and gay at the same time. Can they reconcile this touchy issue? Then, two men debate whether a person can go from gay to straight, and parents of a 4-year-old boy fear their son's desire to play with dolls and wear heels means he'll grow up to be gay. Are they overreacting to his wishes to be a princess instead of a prince? Talk about gender and gay issues here.


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October 19, 2005, 5:39 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: sueellis35

There is something I must point out that was failed to be pointed out on the show..... 

  

The Word says I must love and respect everyone.  I have friends that are gay, and even have a favorite Aunt that is gay.  I love them and respect them.  As people as the human beings that they are.  However, the word says that I must hate the sin.  Love the people, hate the sin. 

  

See, we all have things and desires of the flesh that we struggle with as Christians.  Any Christian that tells you differently is a liar.  Homosexuality is a sin just like gluttony, adultery, fornication, etc.  All sins of the flesh.  We have to struggle and stay in God's face in order to keep from commiting these sins.  I am single I definitely struggle with keeping myself from being involved in fornication, but I do so by staying in the word and praying. 

My friends and my Aunt know my point of view and how I feel about homosexuallity.  They also know that I would be there in a minute to minister at their bedside, pray with them, give them money if they needed it, and that I will always treat them with respect and tons of love. 

  

Just as I would treat anyone else that was involved in a life of sin.  It is not my job to judge anyone here on earth.  That is for God to do on the day of judgement.  Also, one more thing I want to point out.  The old testament has been quoted on here quite a bit.  Although, we use the old testament in sermons and for teaching purposes in the church, we are no longer bound by the law.  Once Christ died for our sins we were given grace.  We now have a covering because of the blood of the lamb.  In the book of Romans though in the New Testament Paul does speak about homosexuallity being a sin.  Many people believe that Paul was gay.  I do not happen to be one of those people.  But, even he says that it is better to live a single life than to be involved in a life of sin (speaking of homosexuality)   

Leading a life for Christ means denying our flesh. 

Denying our flesh also means not abusing our bodies.  Gluttony (sin) = overeating.  Just thought I would mention that.
 
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October 19, 2005, 5:39 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: rgdyanne

This is to EVERYONE who claims that GOD made them homosexual or their sons or daughters homosexual or their friends homosexual. That is a LIE!!! It is a lie perpetuated by the ultimate liar, Satan. I don't care if you believe in God or Satan, that doesn't negate the truth of their existance. 

  

But let's just put aside the issue of belief for a moment. Let's put aside the spiritual issues of homosexuality. Why don't we just address the purely physical issues of whether or not being homosexual is natural. 

  

GOD did not make, or create, or cause to be, homosexuals. IF He had He, being GOD, would have been smart enough to equip humans for that purpose. Apparently, this god you claim made you homosexual is pretty stupid.  He forgot the anatomy required for this purpose. If men were meant to have sex with men then they would have vaginas, too. If women were meant to have sex with women then they would also have penises. OR, both "sexes" would have the capability of naturally growing/changing the aforementioned parts. And then, we wouldn't have men or women but dual sexual beings equipped with the capability of doing all the things associated with a dually sexual creation.  YES, there are naturally occuring creatures who can change their sex this IS how THEY were created, NOT humans. Being homosexual is a psychological and emotional choice to do something that is a perversion of how humans are naturally, NATURALLY, created. (and if you don't like my choice of the word created because that implies a being that would have had to create then use the word evolved, it is still just as applicable.) 

  

Ah, but then you say homosexuality is not about the physical, it's about the emotional attraction towards a same-sexed person. Well, you're wrong. It is not about the emotional attraction to a same-sexed person. Emotional attraction to a person of the same sex is about compatibility and connection which is totally outside the realm of the sexual. I, a heterosexual, have "emotional attraction" to my girlfriends, my mother, my grandmother, my aunts because we have a connection and a bond and a commonality that creates a relationship. This does not mean I want, desire or need them in a sexual manner. Homosexuality, by it's very definition (look it up in the dictionary if you don't believe me) is the SEXUAL attraction to persons of the same sex.  So also are the definitions of Gay and Lesbian. 

  

In closing, no one, man or God MADE you homosexual. It is a consious, willful, choice that you made. OWN your decision. TAKE responsibility. QUIT transferring ownership of that choice to others. And, while it IS your right to be treated decently as a human being it IS NOT your right to have your decision universally condoned. 

Now I don't want ot b*tch about it oh wait yes I do want to b*tch about it: 

  

You say "But let's just put aside the issue of belief for a moment." and only three lines later you say: "GOD did not make, or create, or cause to be, homosexuals. IF He had He, being GOD, would have been smart enough to equip humans for that purpose." 

  

I'm sorry but to me that is religion, I'm sorry you assume that every one believes in one god of some sort yet that issn't true I'm affraid We've got Buddists, Hindoes, Atheïsts and many more religions that don't believe in one god or god at all. 

  

Anyway back to the issue "God" also forgot to make the humans strong enough to resist the temptation to eat the apple of the tree of knowledge. As a matter of fact he kikked us out of paradise for a mistake he made. not much of a self critic, eh? And then he only made two of everything so that the offspring is forced to have sex with each other also known as "incest" which is illegal in de US and the Netherlands alike  

  

Even better we are, according to the bible sons and daughters of murderers since Cain murdered his brother Abel and then had sex with his mother since Adam and Eve din't have any dauhgters. Personally I find the story of our creation in a supposedly holy book much more disturbing then the suppossed sin of homosexuality. 

  

Even more God has created man in his own image so I'm sorry God would have had homosexual tendensies aswell wouldn't he? 

  

Then you say that man hasn't the equippement to be with one of the same sex. Well I know from relliable sources that gay men an women cope quite well with the equipement they do have. and maybe it wasn't for nothing our pleasure parts of the genetals evolved outside of the human body instead in inside. 

  

Then you speak of the emotional bond but you know the thing with emotional bonds is that they aren´t all of the same cathegorie and not all of the same intensety. I as a man will have an atracction to women in my case yet if I have a daughter I won´t feel physical attraction towards her, if I see my mother I won´t feel a physical atraction towards her, Most women on the street I won´t feel a physical atraction towards them, yet if I have a girlfriend/wife I will feel a physical attraction towards her. That doesn't mean I don't love them I just love them in a different way then a (potential) partner. The same applies to gay people they feel different types of love for each man/woman. And may I remind you that even hate is a form of emotional bond you feel towards one just a negative one. 

  

In you're closing you say that it is not their right to have that decision universally condoned but they have: I quote from the declaration of Human Rights 

"(...) 

Article 1.

All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.  

  

Article 2.

Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.  

(...)" 

And yes I know the US didn't sine it but the rest of the free world and much of the less free world did. 

 
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October 19, 2005, 5:39 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: taytogirl

I am also a practicing catholic.  I practice tolerance and love of all no matter what their orientation.  

  

 I would like to ask you a question.   Should man-woman couples who cannot have children not be allowed to be together either?????  Your argument is so stupid.  Also aids is not a homosexual disease.  Anybody , if the circumstances are just so, can contract aids.  Don't do drugs, don't have numerous sexual partners, these are the only ways to stay clear.  There are many hetrosexual people who have contracted aids.   

  

Your question, "what kind of God would allow that"  this question can be asked about any tragedy that occurs in the world.  Don't ask that question because then you open up a whole lot of other questions  --- What kind of God lets children be born with mental or physical disabbilities?  What kind of God lets natural disasters happen?  What kind of God lets anything happen??????  Stupid question.    

  

One further point. You say that "there is way more to life than sex".  Guess what????  There is more to life than sex.  Just because a person is gay doesn't mean that their whole world is consumed with sex no more than a hetrosexual person's world is consumed with sex.   You need to get with the program. 

The Church objectively defines homosexuality as a grave disorder. What does or does not occur in a so-called "homosexual relationship" between two people is not what matters. Nor are the results relevant. The Church is not condemning human beings; she is condemning the sinful acts chosen which are not changed because there is no abortion, etc.  

The Catechism of the Catholic Church states:  

"2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered." They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved 

 
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October 19, 2005, 5:39 pm PDT

God loves Gays , but he does love the sin

I was so happy to see that show today about the gay man going straight on Dr.Phil Show. 

God loves all people he created us all, and he did not create a man to be gay or a woman to be gay. 

He created Adam and Eve,not Adam and Steve,etc., and for a person to say God Almighty does not know what he has done,when he created us all, is like telling God he is a liar. The Devil is the Liar, and it he that has tricked so many into that sin. I hope many will turn from their wicked ways and really seek God to set them free from that bonadge of sin after the show today.I know there will be many that just dont want to stop what they are doing and God made us all free moral agents,but they can not say they did not know the truth. Just like people who drink alcohol,take dope and smoke in the name of fun, they know that it is wrong and not good for their health, but they keep right on doing it anyway. Most people have to come to the place where they are sick and tired of being sick and tired(No Peace,No Jesus) before they give up.(Know Peace,Know Jesus

 
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October 19, 2005, 5:41 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: notperfekt

I watche the show and read the posts...dam....with all thats going on TODAY all over the nation AND the world, why are so many obsessed with sexual preference?  The churches, schools, news and even your NEIGHBORS are all telling you how to think and feel about something that in the end....doesnt matter.   Do you think any of the Katrina victims asked their rescuers "are you gay" before accepting the helping hands OUT of the mess their homes became?  Do you actually think talking about what anyone does in THEIR beds makes any difference to YOUR life?  Come on people...open your eyes to what is REALLY important and get the pressure OFF these poor victims of YOUR insane obsession with THEIR sex life.  Instead of taking time to worry about what is NOT a problem ,  why not take that same time and energy  to DO SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE ?  Volunteer to help children learn to read, drive your elderly neighbors w. no vehicles to their dr appt or the store every week, rake someones leaves that cant do it for themselves...DONATE your brain power to HELPING victims that REALLY need help, not trying to change someones sexual preferences !  Gays are NOT the boogy man/woman, they are NOT lurking in the shadows to molest children....if you want to do something that NEEDS changing...go out and find the nuts that ARE molesting kids and abusing them....make sure THEY are arrested and stay in prison!  Become an advocate for the victims that cant do for themselves...... Leave the gays alone already and concentrate on what NEEDS changing.    And, for all you "christians" : GOD MADE EVERYONE, not just YOU, and HE does NOT MAKE JUNK OR MISTAKES !!!!!

 

Many people think that their sins are justified, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY ARE!!!! Have you ever heard of NAMBLA? Some pedophiles feel that they should be able to have sex with little boys legally. They think they are right. Should we have to accept their sexual preferences too. Should we support them? Sin is sin, and there is no way around it. Just because it feels good doesn't make it right!!!
 
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October 19, 2005, 5:41 pm PDT

I'm using the King James Version of 1611???

mommyjenna wrote: "I'm using the King James Version of 1611."  

  

Oh really? Was it published in England, too? Most people in the USA who have a KJV do NOT have a Bible with all of the very same books as the 1611 AD version of the King James Bible. In fact, very few people can even read and understand the spelling and language style of that time period, which is the same time period as Shakespeare.  

  

Back in the latter 19th Century, some Protestant American Bible people decided to remove some of the books out of their Old Testament and that was out of their KJV Old Testament. So, if you go to a Southern Baptist Convention owned bookstore, "Lifeway Christian Store," and ask for a KJV Bible, you will not get a REAL 1611 KJV Bible, you will get a Protestant Bible.  

  

Oh, by the way, the Church of England at the time of King James was no longer a Roman Catholic Church, but, the Church of England and/or the Anglican Communion was/is still a Catholic denomination. 

  

The official King James Version of the Bible published in the United Kingdom has all of the very same Bible books as the Roman Catholic Bibles and the Eastern Orthodox Bibles. 

 
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October 19, 2005, 5:42 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: canadiana

Denying our flesh also means not abusing our bodies.  Gluttony (sin) = overeating.  Just thought I would mention that.
You posted this in response to someone else. Did you notice that she did mention gluttony as a sin. Maybe you should read her post again.
 
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October 19, 2005, 5:42 pm PDT

Keep on sinning? I think not.

Quote From: blessed23

Would you judge someone who raped and murdered your child or someone else you love? Would you love them as you love yourself? And no, none of us is without sin, but that doesn't mean we should excuse sin. We are to hate the sin and love the sinner. Jesus died on the cross for all of us, but a relationship with Christ clearly requires repentance and turning from sin. It is a daily struggle, but the struggle is necessary. Jesus' sacrifice on the cross was not a license to keep right on sinning.

Hi blessed23 , 

  

It is not my place to judge perportrators or sinners. That is God's, and God's alone. It is, however, my right to hold those that harm others, myself included, responsible for their actions. Thus, I turn my cheek to thuse that inflict harm unto me or others.  

  

To find love for another is to look beyond their sin. Such is the sticky place many Christians find themselves in. They tend to get mired in the "sin" rather than lifting the spirit of the sinner. 

  

And the problem of sin in it's self, is that we are all born with sin and must constantly define what is sin. Sin of the Old Testament, as described by Lavitical law, no longer applies to moder day Christians. This is just one example as to how our deffinition of sin has changed to meet man's ideas of God, Christ, and sin. 

  

We will all find out on our judgement day, what sins we are accountable for in the Eyes of God. I'll leave it up to Him to determine that. All I know is that I will be measured, in God's eyes, by the measer that I judge others or have compassion for others.  

  

So I guess I could say that those that judge me harshly for being gay, wo to ye, least ye be judged. The ivory tomb that you are preparing for yourself will be your prison.  

 
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October 19, 2005, 5:45 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: max_01

I would beg to differ. 

  

God is the final Authority. 

  

The Bible is the word of God, translated throughout the centuries by man, to meet the needs of man. 

Yes, God is the final authority and he gave us His word. In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God:)
 
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October 19, 2005, 5:45 pm PDT

3 years old and gay

My son came to me when he was 3 and asked "Why can't I be like my sister?"  "I don't want a penis."     My husband and I took him to a psychiatrist.  She basically said he will either be gay or straight, just love him no matter what.   She also said if he wanted "girl toys" to get them for him but don't make a big deal about it.  We followed her advice. 

  

He is 25 now and gay.  Never abused and well nutured by us.  Was involved in Scouts, sports, church and school.  Stayed in the closet until his 2d yr. of college.  It was no surprise to us that he was gay.  We never turned our back on him or ridiculed him for being gay.  We always held the door open to counseling thru out his teen years. 

  

I know our son didn't choose this lifestyle but that is who he is.  He is very successful today and leads a very active life.  He is a good citizen and gets involved with his community.  If I had to choose whether he was gay or straight of course I would prefer that he was straight.    We accept him for who he is and what he has become, and are very proud parents. 

  

I wouldn't be surprised if the boy (Andrew) weren't gay but I hope I'm wrong.  I kept waiting for our son to "grow out" of that phase.  He never did. 

 
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