Quote From: mommyjenna It's so strange. I've been looking through the many posts and the many accusations of people who 'hate gays' yet I haven't seen a single post from someone who's stated they hate gays.
We love people but we also love God and feel that His word is very clear on the subject. And who are we to say that we should ignore these scriptures? Do we know better than God? Do you?
The Bible was originally written in Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic. Whoever the translators were, they were meticulous and there is archaoeology like the dead sea scrolls and most recently a 2000 year old copy of the book of Leviticus to prove that it's perfect. The translations can be trusted.
I haven't seen a convincing 'born gay' study yet. All of them are very vague. If someone wants to post one that they find convincing, I'd like to see it.
What about people like Ellen deGeneres' last girlfriend who went from straight to gay to straight. People go from straight to gay and from gay to straight all the time. What about bisexuals? (btw - I love Ellen's show)
I believe we are all tempted by certain sins. One may be tempted to judge, one to do drugs, one to act on homosexuality. The devil knows our weaknesses and plays on them. We can reconcile our sin. We can steal and tell ourselves that the company we are stealing from is rich, they won't miss what we've taken, and we will only steal this one time. In the case of gay people, the vast majority of people are also helping them reconcile this sin, by stating, it's okay, you're born that way, God won't judge you, we won't judge you. Well, is this really love? Telling someone that they won't be judged for their sin when God seems to sure make it clear that they will be judged for this? We Christians are here out of love. Out of love for God and a love for people.
Is it possible that gay people have slowly convinced themselves that they are gay? We've all had thoughts that we know are sin and we can either dismiss them or accept them and continue to dwell on them. Can you imagine trying to convince a KKK member that all races are equal? Why would this be so difficult? Because the KKK member has told himself lie after lie after lie. He's dwelt on lies and convinced himself that he is right. Well, we all know he's wrong.
But people are convinced of lies all the time. The entire country of Germany was convinced of a major lie that started simply with probaganda films. Hitler said, "If you tell a lie, loud enough and long enough, the people will believe it". On the subject of homosexuality, we are all being convinced of another lie. This lie will not bring genocide like Hitler's lies, but it also is contradictory to what God has clearly stated. The damage will be done to the individuals who are believing the lie.
Some have stated that they've known they were gay since 4 or 5 years old. Personally I don't think kids have sexual attractions and it's almost dangerous to suggest they do at such a young innocent age.
1 Yes they don't directly state they hate gay's that is the problem they state it via a detour "religion" because as I said, somewhere it also says love thy neigbour and the bible states so much more rules yet only some are picked up on depending which one you need for you're cause.
Then I wan't to acknowledge if it is true that the translations are indeed correct but that doesn't take away the fact that they where written down by human hands. Many stories are also older then christianity and even judaïsm and many stories are written down centuries later then they are thought of or happened. I ask you pick one hunderd people and let them form a line, say a small sentence in the first one's ear wait 'till it reaches the end of the line and see wich sentence comes out. or another one start some gossip a little thing now wait some time and see what that gossip has grown into it might have started out as holding hands and ends up having had sex.
And no I don't no where state that gay's are born gay but in there development in puberty they just aquire the taste for the same sex, I know of many gays who have had girlfriends. what I dispute is that they had a choiche.
You talk about the reconcilliation of sin yes it can be done and in the middle ages it was quite profitable aswell where you could buy of murder provided you had the money.
You qoute Hitler "If you tell a lie, loud enough and long enough, the people will believe it" Well not suggesting jesus has anything in common with hitler but he was loud, twelve oppostels and a whole bunch of followers that is loud enough to spread a lie (not stating he did, just saying he could have)
And how come that if anyone says today he is the son of god that you will riddicule him and put him away in an institution yet you all go to church to see someone who claimed to be the son of god. And don't say anything about the miracles here applies the gossip story I told earlier.
And no I don't believe in god and I have thought about it a long time and I do not condem anyone who does believe in a god or 20 gods for that matter. I just hate the way Religion is misused for Apartheit, suppression, war and all that, Religion was ment to make for a good relation with god, the after life and your inner self yet it is now being used to feul war and hate (wether against another religion or gays or blacks or whatever.)
(Original Air Date: 10/19/05) Sexual orientation used to be something kept hidden from family and co-workers, but now more and more people are "coming out" and finding acceptance. Anjela says her mother and sister don't support her sexual orientation, and feel she can't be Christian and gay at the same time. Can they reconcile this touchy issue? Then, two men debate whether a person can go from gay to straight, and parents of a 4-year-old boy fear their son's desire to play with dolls and wear heels means he'll grow up to be gay. Are they overreacting to his wishes to be a princess instead of a prince? Talk about gender and gay issues here.
