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(Original Air Date: 10/19/05) Sexual orientation used to be something kept hidden from family and co-workers, but now more and more people are "coming out" and finding acceptance. Anjela says her mother and sister don't support her sexual orientation, and feel she can't be Christian and gay at the same time. Can they reconcile this touchy issue? Then, two men debate whether a person can go from gay to straight, and parents of a 4-year-old boy fear their son's desire to play with dolls and wear heels means he'll grow up to be gay. Are they overreacting to his wishes to be a princess instead of a prince? Talk about gender and gay issues here.


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October 19, 2005, 6:40 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: blessed23

Actually, the New Testament also recognizes homosexuality as sin. And calling sin what it is not a judgement. It is a fact that homosexuality is sin as far as the Bible is concerned. Just because you deny it doesn't make it any less true. People have no trouble "judging" murderers as monsters, or being "judged" as beautiful or smart. Apparently, having any opinion at all is judgmental. Stating  sin as what it is is not judgement, but something a loving Christian does in hopes of opening one's eyes to the deception of Satan and to the hope of repentance through Jesus Christ. I say this in love, and would like to assure you that in no way do I advocate so called "gay bashing". I do believe that everyone deserves respect and to be loved. I feel the same about all sin. Including the sins and temptations I myself battle everyday. But I feel I must be truthful about what I belive to be true, and that I must represent the Bible and it's teachings if I am to call myself a Christian. I simply cannot in good conscience condone sin. That does not mean I'm perfect and don't stuggle with sin as well. It just means that I have learned to repent and turn from sin. I hope that God blesses you and that He reveals His truth to you. 

The definition of judge is: 

  

1-To pass sentence on; condemn. 

2-To form an opinion or evaluaion 

3-To act or decide as a judge 

  

I'd say telling someone they are a sinner would qualify as judging. But that's just my opinion. 

 
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October 19, 2005, 6:41 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: mehran23

I'm so sick of people saying that they are Christians and not really living as one.  A real "Christian"  would accept their CHILD for who they are never judging them or trying to change them.  Does this mother want her family not to accept her because of a decision she made that maybe her family doesn't agree on.  NO.  Treat others as you would want to be treated.  Thats how it should be if your a real Christian!!!
Excusing sin is not loving. If you truely love your child you will bring them up in truth. If my child were gay of course I would still love them. That doesn't mean I would condone their sin.
 
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October 19, 2005, 6:43 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: blessed23

Actually, the New Testament also recognizes homosexuality as sin. And calling sin what it is not a judgement. It is a fact that homosexuality is sin as far as the Bible is concerned. Just because you deny it doesn't make it any less true. People have no trouble "judging" murderers as monsters, or being "judged" as beautiful or smart. Apparently, having any opinion at all is judgmental. Stating  sin as what it is is not judgement, but something a loving Christian does in hopes of opening one's eyes to the deception of Satan and to the hope of repentance through Jesus Christ. I say this in love, and would like to assure you that in no way do I advocate so called "gay bashing". I do believe that everyone deserves respect and to be loved. I feel the same about all sin. Including the sins and temptations I myself battle everyday. But I feel I must be truthful about what I belive to be true, and that I must represent the Bible and it's teachings if I am to call myself a Christian. I simply cannot in good conscience condone sin. That does not mean I'm perfect and don't stuggle with sin as well. It just means that I have learned to repent and turn from sin. I hope that God blesses you and that He reveals His truth to you. 

blessed23 , 

  

Thanks.  

  

God's blessing is upon us all. It is up to each one of us to whitness this for ourselves.  

  

My problem is in the deffinition of sin, its self and the multiple interrpetations and reconstructions of the Bible. I truely believe that each one of us will be judged, individually. And I have my own spin on how. But thats not the point. 

  

Judge not, least ye be judged. J.C. 

~ This is to say, that I am accountable for the level at which I judge others. 

  

Love your neighbor as you would love yourself. J.C. 

~ This is to say, have the same level of respect and compassion for my fellow man as I hold for myself and that God has for me. 

  

Those without sin may cast the first stone. J.C. 

~ This is to say, those that have turned completely from sin and are free from sin its self, may stand in God's shoes and begin the judgement. 

  

I pray that I may find the stength and compassion within myself to see the person first, and not their sin. 

 
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October 19, 2005, 6:45 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: bozoclown

For someone like Justin to argue that a gay person cannot become a straight  person, is the same as saying "God can't do anything", thus the same as saying there is no God. His saying that his relationship with God is "more intimate now than ever before" after making the above reference that one cannot become straight - is a contradiction! If one really has a relationship with God, then one KNOWS without a doubt that GOD CAN... AND WILL... DO ANYTHING! If one really wants to become straight and turns it over to God - it WILL happen! It's happened too many times - as with alcoholics, drug addicts, and so many other habits and hang-ups we all have! 

I hope Justin will really get down on his knees and ask the Lord to help him with this IF he really wants to be straight - but he will have to BELIEVE GOD WILL help him first - "without faith it is impossible to please Him"!  NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE WITH GOD! 

Congratulations and best wishes to DAVID! 

That's like saying Black people can become White people because Michael Jackson did. God makes people gay. He doesn't want to change them.  
 
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October 19, 2005, 6:48 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: blessed23

For one thing she never said that she didn't struggle with sin. Everyone does. And have you ever considered that some people do have medical conditions that can contribute to being overweight. And lastly, isn't labeling her as an overeater a "judgement"? It seems some people think it's fine to judge as long as you don't judge sin!!

I think she can (and does) speak for herself.    

  

Sure,  calling her an over-eater is a judgement.    It is what it is ...  

 
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October 19, 2005, 6:48 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: jesusfrk

I have a sister in Christ who, after many heartbreaks caused by men, has chosen to live her life with a woman.  I have been praying and trying to understand how she has come to think that God would bring her and this woman together for a loving and sexual relationship.   I have also struggled with trying not to judge her.  I realize this is not my job and that God will be the only one to judge her when her time comes.  I realized this weekend during a sermon in James, Chapter 2 that calling sin, sin, is not judgement!  Just because I believe the  Bible to be true and therefore believe that homosexuality is wrong, it's OK for me to say homosexuality is a sin!  We are all sinners no matter what our belief's are!  But Grace, God's Grace is a beautiful thing and if we KNOW JESUS and believe that he died on the cross for our sins and rose 3 days later and that He is the son of God, then we are covered by God's Grace.   

  

Now that being said, do we continue to allow a fellow christain to continue living a sinful life? Guess what, God also gave us free will.  And she is a grown woman who can make her own choices.  But as her sister in Christ I can continue to love her, to pray for her and be her friend.  I also have the right to call sin, sin, and if she doesn't like that, she has the right to withdraw from the friendship. 

  

Our job as Christains is to love one another and not judge ourselves or anyone else.  But another important job is to further the Kingdom of God.  We do this with the spiritual gifts God gave us.  Whether that is the gift of evangelism or mercy or hospitality or abstinence, we should be the best christains that we can be so that God's love and light shine through us.   

  

This is a very difficult situation and I have discovered that when you want something bad enough that satan has a way of providing it for you.  I have looked at the homosexual/christain websites and while they are full of satan inspired lies there is enough truth to draw a confused or hurting person in.  This is how satan works.  He puts just enough truth in the recipe to make it sound OK.  If he told nothing but bold face lies, it would be obvious.   I think it's sad that she turns to the internet. not the Bible,  to justify her love.   

  

Lastly,  satan believes in God too, but he won't be going to Heaven.  Jesus is the only  

way! 

Perhaps your sister  isn't sinning at all. Is it a sin to live with another  woman? Or is it only a sin to have sex with her? Does she tell you they're sexually active? Or is the woman her partner and companion in life but no sex?  I don't know what's a sin, because I know I'm the way God made me, He doesn't screw up. He gave me the best mother, the best brother, He has given me so many gifts, my orientation isn't a 'choice' but my lifestyle is. (I could have faked the white picket fence dream and be a grandmother now but I tell ya'...it wouldn't be really who I am and...it doesn't look like a good time) but it wouldn't change the way I'm wired. It'd be just...living a lie. 

  

There are a lot of couples (m/m, f/f, m/f) who are in asexual relationships. There's only one way to tell, that'd be to peek into their bedrooms and that's really rude. Unlike celibacy, these people are not sexually attracted to each other but romantically and emotionally they are two peas in a pod. They don't have to "ward off sexual thoughts" of eachother because the sexual attraction isn't there. Is it a sin to want to be with your best friend forever. Isn't it a shame to not be allowed to live a full, loving life with them just because of their plumbing? Think of all of the people who can't marry his/her best friend, or second or third best...had to settle for 4th best just because the 4th was the one with opposite plumbing.  

  

 
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October 19, 2005, 6:48 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: tulseyjoe

mommyjenna wrote: "I'm using the King James Version of 1611."  

  

Oh really? Was it published in England, too? Most people in the USA who have a KJV do NOT have a Bible with all of the very same books as the 1611 AD version of the King James Bible. In fact, very few people can even read and understand the spelling and language style of that time period, which is the same time period as Shakespeare.  

  

Back in the latter 19th Century, some Protestant American Bible people decided to remove some of the books out of their Old Testament and that was out of their KJV Old Testament. So, if you go to a Southern Baptist Convention owned bookstore, "Lifeway Christian Store," and ask for a KJV Bible, you will not get a REAL 1611 KJV Bible, you will get a Protestant Bible.  

  

Oh, by the way, the Church of England at the time of King James was no longer a Roman Catholic Church, but, the Church of England and/or the Anglican Communion was/is still a Catholic denomination. 

  

The official King James Version of the Bible published in the United Kingdom has all of the very same Bible books as the Roman Catholic Bibles and the Eastern Orthodox Bibles. 

 Hi Tulsey Joe: 

Thank you for your response.

King James had 54 translators to help him translate the words into English and yes, in England. 

I guess I clarified that I was using the King James version of 1611, in case someone would bring up any issues that may have happened afterward.

Thank you for the other information.  I must disagree that the original King James version has the same books as the Roman Catholic Bibles.

In any case, what did you think about the scriptures that I had posted?


 
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October 19, 2005, 6:49 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: dsarah

Yes, Im praying for their enlightenment too, it makes me sad to see that so many people who name themselves christians are so detached from god.
It makes me so sad to see how many people who say they are Christians, yet ignore the Bible and what it teaches. Isn't the whole meaning of being a Christian to be a follower of Christ and his teachings?
 
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October 19, 2005, 6:49 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: dbeland

God doesn't hate the gays he hates the act that they engage in the same way he hates any sex before marriage.Lets look at the word orientation for a moment ..what does it mean.If someone says they have an orientation to go to, it means they are going to a class to learn something. Can someone tell me then how the words (sexual orientation) applies to a decision someone made.
what God do you worship that he hates. I thought God was supposed to be about love unconditional.
 
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October 19, 2005, 6:49 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: sueellis35

I am fully aware of the sin of gluttony and my post did hit on that.  That is something I am in prayer about.  I never claimed to be without sin in my life.  I was simply addressing what was presented on the show.  If the show had been about being gluttonful and being a christian I would have addressed it the same way.  I was not rude in my post or disrespectful, unfortunately I can not say the same about you.

Hi, 

I too felt that the reply to your post was a bit harsh and ignorant. 

  

However, please do not put the sins of others above your own.  

  

Those without sin may cast the first stone. J.C. 

 
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