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Topic : 06/06 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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Created on : Friday, October 14, 2005, 03:56:41 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/19/05) Sexual orientation used to be something kept hidden from family and co-workers, but now more and more people are "coming out" and finding acceptance. Anjela says her mother and sister don't support her sexual orientation, and feel she can't be Christian and gay at the same time. Can they reconcile this touchy issue? Then, two men debate whether a person can go from gay to straight, and parents of a 4-year-old boy fear their son's desire to play with dolls and wear heels means he'll grow up to be gay. Are they overreacting to his wishes to be a princess instead of a prince? Talk about gender and gay issues here.


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October 19, 2005, 6:51 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: sueellis35

I am fully aware of the sin of gluttony and my post did hit on that.  That is something I am in prayer about.  I never claimed to be without sin in my life.  I was simply addressing what was presented on the show.  If the show had been about being gluttonful and being a christian I would have addressed it the same way.  I was not rude in my post or disrespectful, unfortunately I can not say the same about you.

Well, the truth of the matter is this .. adding sugar does not sweeten a bitter message.   You may find my method disrespectful and, respectfully so, I find your message to be as well.  

 
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October 19, 2005, 6:51 pm PDT

Thanks

Quote From: blessed23

For one thing she never said that she didn't struggle with sin. Everyone does. And have you ever considered that some people do have medical conditions that can contribute to being overweight. And lastly, isn't labeling her as an overeater a "judgement"? It seems some people think it's fine to judge as long as you don't judge sin!!

Blessed, 

  

Thanks for coming to my defense.  I believe the only reason someone would have so rudely responded to my post was because it hit a nerve with them.  I do realize that my weight is a sin and it is something I have been in prayer about as well as in counsel with my Pastor on.  You are right, so many people want to call it  "judgement"  when it is a sin they are involved in and a christian tries to point out their sin to them, but when someone else is struggling they have no problem being rude and disrespectul. 

  

God Bless you and have a wonderful evening...... 

 
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October 19, 2005, 6:55 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: ms1946

I am so tired of so-called "Christians" setting themselves up as judge and jury in the name of God.  Just where in the Bible does it say we have that right?  I have been a Christian all my life, but my Christianity has taught me tolerance, love and acceptance of all God's creatures.  If being gay is a sin, or if being a Muslim or a Jew or a Buddhist won't get you into heaven, then let God decide at the Judgement Day and let man go on about the business of doing good unto others and loving all others as we love ourselves, directives from God Himself. 



As a Christian, I find truth in the Bible.  Isn't this where you find yours?

 
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October 19, 2005, 6:58 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: canadiana

I read her post completely.   I think its hypocritical for her to talk of "sinning" when she is CLEARY an over-eater.   She can't pick and choose "sins".   

  

 I don't know if this was answered yet, but I also read her post and it was clear that she said she is working on her own issues.  If she had said that gluttony is a sin and she doesn't care that she overeats, or that it's not a sin to overreat, then that would be hypocritical.

I found her to be honest and straighforward, calling herself a sinner as well. 

We are all sinners.  That was her point. 




 
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October 19, 2005, 7:00 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: max_01

blessed23 , 

  

Thanks.  

  

God's blessing is upon us all. It is up to each one of us to whitness this for ourselves.  

  

My problem is in the deffinition of sin, its self and the multiple interrpetations and reconstructions of the Bible. I truely believe that each one of us will be judged, individually. And I have my own spin on how. But thats not the point. 

  

Judge not, least ye be judged. J.C. 

This is to say, that I am accountable for the level at which I judge others. 

  

Love your neighbor as you would love yourself. J.C. 

This is to say, have the same level of respect and compassion for my fellow man as I hold for myself and that God has for me. 

  

Those without sin may cast the first stone. J.C. 

This is to say, those that have turned completely from sin and are free from sin its self, may stand in God's shoes and begin the judgement. 

  

I pray that I may find the stength and compassion within myself to see the person first, and not their sin. 

I do have complete respect for all people, and I do not judge anyone's heart as God does. If someone says they are gay then it is a fact that they are gay, not a judgement. God calls homosexuality a sin in his Word. Therefore as a Christian, I can call homosexuality a sin. That is what God calls it. And you said that you have your "own spin" on how we will be judged, but we will be judged according to God's spin on things. The Bible is our guide to His spin on things. The Bible tells us not to lean on our own understanding. That is where Satan trips us up. God's ways are above our ways. Just because we don't understand God's ways does not make them any less valid. We need to pray for His wisdom, not try to bring Him down to our level of understanding.
 

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October 19, 2005, 7:02 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: gcnjustin

Hi everyone! This is Justin from the show. (I was the guy with the shaved head who said it is okay to be gay and Christian and that ex-gay ministries don't work.) This wasn't mentioned on the show, but I'm also the executive director of an organization called GayChristian.Net, which is a national nonprofit organization for gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgendered Christians.I'm happy to respond to any questions about my position on the issues and my ministry; you can also learn more about us on our website, which is linked right here from the Dr. Phil homepage.
by they way, i TOTALLY agree with you...God Bless! :)
 
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October 19, 2005, 7:03 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: max_01

Hi, 

I too felt that the reply to your post was a bit harsh and ignorant. 

  

However, please do not put the sins of others above your own.  

  

Those without sin may cast the first stone. J.C. 

Even on my best day I am not the saint I should be nor would I ever claim that.  As a Christian I am doing the best I can to walk the walk everyday. 

I do not put the sins of others above my own.  I could not be the first or even the last to cast a stone. 

  

 
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October 19, 2005, 7:04 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: tanyab

what God do you worship that he hates. I thought God was supposed to be about love unconditional.
Read the Bible. It clearly states that God hates sin. He is a God of love, but also a God of wrath. Just because you don't understand His ways doesn't make them any less true.
 

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October 19, 2005, 7:06 pm PDT

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I am a 20 year old college student and I am so angry after watching this show because of the minister and his beliefs.  I 100% disagree with the idea that you can change your sexual orientation if you really want to.  I am so angry that he compared it to alcoholism like it is some kind of addiction.  This topic absolutely makes my blood boil because it is so personal to me.  I am not gay but my father is and I grew up in wonderful household even though my parents divorced after 12 years because of the fact that he was gay.  I would not have changed the fact that my parents divorced because my dad is gay for a million dollars.  Because of the fact that he is gay I believe that I am a better person and much more open minded and loving.  I do respect the fact that everyone has their own personal beliefs, but it makes me furious that some of these ex gay ministries put it into peoples heads that it is such a bad thing and that you are going to go to hell for it.  I felt so much for the young man who was debating with the ex gay minister because from my life experiences I knew exactly what he was talking about BEING GAY IS NOT A CHOICE!!!  I discussed this with my dad and it makes him extremely upset to think that some people believe that he chose this lifestlye. I would like to quote him because I believe that this is important for others to hear.  When I told him that some of my friends think that it is a choice he said, "Do they really think that I would choose to break up my family and make them go through the pain they had to endure, do they think that I chose to be ridiculed and hated by others because I wanted to?, do they think that I chose to go through the pain of suicidal thoughts because of my sexual preferences?, IF i could have chose I WOULD HAVE CHOSE TO BE WITH MY FAMILY and the wife who did everything right, to be with my two wonderful children, to be a whole family in one household, but I didn't have a choice".  My father is a very successful State police officer who many people admire for his heroism and success.  He is the best man I know and I would not have him any other way because it made me who I am today, a smart successful well rounded loving person. Shame on those people who hate for no reason, there is NOTHING wrong with being gay! 

  

 
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October 19, 2005, 7:07 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: mommyjenna

 I don't know if this was answered yet, but I also read her post and it was clear that she said she is working on her own issues.  If she had said that gluttony is a sin and she doesn't care that she overeats, or that it's not a sin to overreat, then that would be hypocritical.

I found her to be honest and straighforward, calling herself a sinner as well. 

We are all sinners.  That was her point. 




Thank you for fully reading what I wrote and understanding what I was saying....God Bless You and yours.
 
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