Quote From: oet_gaolNow I don't want ot b*tch about it oh wait yes I do want to b*tch about it:
You say "But let's just put aside the issue of belief for a moment." and only three lines later you say: "GOD did not make, or create, or cause to be, homosexuals. IF He had He, being GOD, would have been smart enough to equip humans for that purpose."
I'm sorry but to me that is religion, I'm sorry you assume that every one believes in one god of some sort yet that issn't true I'm affraid We've got Buddists, Hindoes, Atheïsts and many more religions that don't believe in one god or god at all.
Anyway back to the issue "God" also forgot to make the humans strong enough to resist the temptation to eat the apple of the tree of knowledge. As a matter of fact he kikked us out of paradise for a mistake he made. not much of a self critic, eh? And then he only made two of everything so that the offspring is forced to have sex with each other also known as "incest" which is illegal in de US and the Netherlands alike
Even better we are, according to the bible sons and daughters of murderers since Cain murdered his brother Abel and then had sex with his mother since Adam and Eve din't have any dauhgters. Personally I find the story of our creation in a supposedly holy book much more disturbing then the suppossed sin of homosexuality.
Even more God has created man in his own image so I'm sorry God would have had homosexual tendensies aswell wouldn't he?
Then you say that man hasn't the equippement to be with one of the same sex. Well I know from relliable sources that gay men an women cope quite well with the equipement they do have. and maybe it wasn't for nothing our pleasure parts of the genetals evolved outside of the human body instead in inside.
Then you speak of the emotional bond but you know the thing with emotional bonds is that they aren´t all of the same cathegorie and not all of the same intensety. I as a man will have an atracction to women in my case yet if I have a daughter I won´t feel physical attraction towards her, if I see my mother I won´t feel a physical atraction towards her, Most women on the street I won´t feel a physical atraction towards them, yet if I have a girlfriend/wife I will feel a physical attraction towards her. That doesn't mean I don't love them I just love them in a different way then a (potential) partner. The same applies to gay people they feel different types of love for each man/woman. And may I remind you that even hate is a form of emotional bond you feel towards one just a negative one.
In you're closing you say that it is not their right to have that decision universally condoned but they have: I quote from the declaration of Human Rights
"(...)
Article 1.
All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.
Article 2.
Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.
(...)"
And yes I know the US didn't sine it but the rest of the free world and much of the less free world did.
Yes, I said let's put aside belief for a moment. My topic was to those who claim God made them homosexual. Not all of those who claim God made them homosexual also claim to believe in said God. Therefore to address my topic I did have to mention God. I made no assumption that everyone believes in the one true God. I merely addressed the claim that "God" made them that way. Whatever they mean by "God".
On the topic of Adam and Eve and the fruit of the tree of knowledge. God did not "forget" to make them strong enough to resist temptation. They made a choice, with the free will God gave them, to believe in a lie. And, as with all choices, there were consequences.
On the topic of Adam and Eve, their sons and incest. The bible states in Genesis 1: "Let us create man in our image" which if you look up the original usage/meaning of the word "man" in that passage it means the species of mankind. God did not stop with Adam and Eve when he created mankind they were just the first and the ones he chose to mention by name.
Cain after murdering Abel was banished to the land of Nod where he took a wife and had children. He did not fornicate with his mother. Adam and Eve had a third son Seth from which Noah is descended and therefore the rest of mankind. Yes, mankind is descended from sin, the sin of disobedience.
God created man "in his image" that does not mean that man is God only that he is to be like God. God is without sin. Man is not.
Just because homosexuals "cope with the equipment they do have" doesn't mean it's natural.
You are right, emotional bonds are not all of the same category and intensity. My point was poorly made and deserves to be corrected. Yes, hate is a form of emotional bond. I have not professed any hatred towards homosexuals only disagreement with the statement that "God made them that way" and that their choice for a perversion is natural and right.
I'm going to have to disagree with you about their "right" to have their choice universally condoned.
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