Topic : 06/06 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: bozoclown

For someone like Justin to argue that a gay person cannot become a straight  person, is the same as saying "God can't do anything", thus the same as saying there is no God. His saying that his relationship with God is "more intimate now than ever before" after making the above reference that one cannot become straight - is a contradiction! If one really has a relationship with God, then one KNOWS without a doubt that GOD CAN... AND WILL... DO ANYTHING! If one really wants to become straight and turns it over to God - it WILL happen! It's happened too many times - as with alcoholics, drug addicts, and so many other habits and hang-ups we all have! 

I hope Justin will really get down on his knees and ask the Lord to help him with this IF he really wants to be straight - but he will have to BELIEVE GOD WILL help him first - "without faith it is impossible to please Him"!  NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE WITH GOD! 

Congratulations and best wishes to DAVID! 

Quote From: mommyjenna

 1)  I think it was natural.
2)   I don't think I decided.  I think it was natural.  Besides, I hadn't heard of 'gay' until I was about 11 and never really considered it for myself.
3)  No
4)No  lol.
5) No.  I'm quite happily married.
6) Yes.  Yes.  They're fine with it.
7) I'm not flaunting anything.
8) I don't think we do.  I think we'd all be more contented if everyone kept their sex lives to themselves and then we wouldn't have to come and defend God's opinion on the matter.
9) I personally don't want to seduce anyone.  I just want to make sure that people know what God's word says on the matter. 
10) I'd like to see some stats on that. From the Gallop Poll or another recognized organization.   I don't know why it matters anyway.

11)  It's about unselfishness and learning about the other person because you care about them.  It's about giving and learning and communication.  As for what I do in my own marital bed, I'd rather not go into details, but go to a human anatomy site and see what goes where and that will give you an idea.
12)  Because we are in the last days.  People don't care about God's laws anymore and they give up to easy, often for selfish reasons. 
13) The only way to avoid all std's is to as God has wanted all along. Stay away from sex until you're married and stick with that person for life.  Now, this would have the lowest incidence of stds.
14) Are you bisexual?  Do sexual relations define your wholeness somehow?  I feel badly for you if you feel this way.
15) That is another commonly heard untruth.  The entire population of the world could stand within the city limits of Jacksonville florida.
16) Yes.  I already do lean that way so I wouldn't worry about it much.

Quote From: can_dragon

getting out the soap box 

  

What I do not get is the fact that most if not all of the posts on this board are combining religious belief and sexual orientation in the same breath. Has any of you considered that the two are separate and should always be considered as such.  I also can not believe that any have also thought that differing sexual orientations have existed since BEFORE the beginnings of the current Christian belief system. Was being gay a sin in 345BC in Greece? 

  

Frankly all of this talk about this or that Sin is just masking the more central issue that this board was created to discuss, that of sexual orientation and a society that is finally becoming more welcome and opening for all of the members of the one and only human race. Sexual orientation is just one more facet of a person, just like their hair colour and general appearance.  

  

Now then, lets get down to the REAL issue. Should a persons sexual orientation effect how people treat them? No! We all entitled to proper respect since down on the genetic level we are all the same with less than 1-5% difference in our genetic make up. As to the issue if being gay is genetic or environmental, most of the literature is unclear and in fact it is my belief that is mostly genetic and a some environmental effects. Behavior is also something that can be controlled and shaped(Pavlov proved that),  but does that really change the underlying foundation I do not think so. and I think that in the end you do more emotional damage. 

  

Being a Canadian and a resident of Toronto also gives me a rather different point of view in this discussion. Toronto has a population of 2.5 million people and is the home for approximately 160 differing cultures of the world and almost the same number of different languages. As Canada's largest city it has all of the differing religious groups of the world living for the most part in harmony. It is also has one of the largest gay communities in Canada which creates an yearly festival that brings in close to a million visitors and a great deal of money to the local economy. 

  

All of this raging about sin and Christian belief shows me that Canadians are a much more enlightened group since we long ago learned tolerance and acceptance. I really don't care if you are white, black, Asian or other ethnic group and believe in Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Shinto or any of the other moral belief systems you should give and receive the respect that we all deserve as being human. 

  

And before you ask, My sexual orientation or religious outlook are None of you business. 

  

getting off his Canadian Made soap box 

Quote From: sueellis35

I agree.  Nowhere on here I have seen where one Christian has posted saying "I hate homosexuals".  Everything has refered to the word of God and the fact that we love the person, but hate the SIN.  I am not sure where HATE of anyone has come up.

Quote From: sueellis35

Even on my best day I am not the saint I should be nor would I ever claim that.  As a Christian I am doing the best I can to walk the walk everyday. 

I do not put the sins of others above my own.  I could not be the first or even the last to cast a stone. 

  

Quote From: mommyjenna

Very good point.

God can put it in my heart to give up all my possessions and go to Bosnia to become a dirt poor missionary.

God changed the heart of Saul the murderer, who eventually became a martyr for God.

God certainly can change people's hearts and give them different desires. 

Quote From: sueellis35

The reason why people are posting based on religion is because it was mentioned as part of the show.  The show set the platform for religion to be used.  There was even a family on the show that were Christians.  That is why religion is coming into the mix. 

  

God is concerned about homosexuality, if He wasn't he would not have mentioned it in the bible along with all the other sins (gluttony, murder, fornication, lying).  We are given a list of commandments to live by and in order to be living a life according to the will of God we must live by these commandments. 

  

Also, one more thing, when you go on National television to talk about your personal business, you give everyone the right to have an opinion about it.  Because I don't care what the topic is, someone is going to have an opinion about it and it may not neccesarily line up with yours.