Topic : 06/06 "I'm Gay, OK?"

For someone like Justin to argue that a gay person cannot become a straight  person, is the same as saying "God can't do anything", thus the same as saying there is no God. His saying that his relationship with God is "more intimate now than ever before" after making the above reference that one cannot become straight - is a contradiction! If one really has a relationship with God, then one KNOWS without a doubt that GOD CAN... AND WILL... DO ANYTHING! If one really wants to become straight and turns it over to God - it WILL happen! It's happened too many times - as with alcoholics, drug addicts, and so many other habits and hang-ups we all have! 

I hope Justin will really get down on his knees and ask the Lord to help him with this IF he really wants to be straight - but he will have to BELIEVE GOD WILL help him first - "without faith it is impossible to please Him"!  NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE WITH GOD! 

Congratulations and best wishes to DAVID! 

I am a 20 year old college student and I am so angry after watching this show because of the minister and his beliefs.  I 100% disagree with the idea that you can change your sexual orientation if you really want to.  I am so angry that he compared it to alcoholism like it is some kind of addiction.  This topic absolutely makes my blood boil because it is so personal to me.  I am not gay but my father is and I grew up in wonderful household even though my parents divorced after 12 years because of the fact that he was gay.  I would not have changed the fact that my parents divorced because my dad is gay for a million dollars.  Because of the fact that he is gay I believe that I am a better person and much more open minded and loving.  I do respect the fact that everyone has their own personal beliefs, but it makes me furious that some of these ex gay ministries put it into peoples heads that it is such a bad thing and that you are going to go to hell for it.  I felt so much for the young man who was debating with the ex gay minister because from my life experiences I knew exactly what he was talking about BEING GAY IS NOT A CHOICE!!!  I discussed this with my dad and it makes him extremely upset to think that some people believe that he chose this lifestlye. I would like to quote him because I believe that this is important for others to hear.  When I told him that some of my friends think that it is a choice he said, "Do they really think that I would choose to break up my family and make them go through the pain they had to endure, do they think that I chose to be ridiculed and hated by others because I wanted to?, do they think that I chose to go through the pain of suicidal thoughts because of my sexual preferences?, IF i could have chose I WOULD HAVE CHOSE TO BE WITH MY FAMILY and the wife who did everything right, to be with my two wonderful children, to be a whole family in one household, but I didn't have a choice".  My father is a very successful State police officer who many people admire for his heroism and success.  He is the best man I know and I would not have him any other way because it made me who I am today, a smart successful well rounded loving person. Shame on those people who hate for no reason, there is NOTHING wrong with being gay! 

This is a letter written to Dr. Laura........ 

Dear Dr. Laura,

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.

a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

g) Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

i) I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them (Lev. 24:10-16)? Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws (Lev. 20:14)?

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Author: Unknown 

Makes you think, doesn't it? 

I agree being healthy and happy is key, and there is just too much concern with what people do in private. I'm just so glad that here in Canada we allow and accept gay marrages. It doesn't matter what you do in the privacy of your 'bedroom'. 

More people need to understand gays have relationships, children and all the things hetro's do and they don't do it any differently.Homophobes just need to open thier minds educate themselves to things other than the only things they know. You don't have to like it but you should be able to except all for thier input to society. 

It's ultimately who you are in your actions with others and not what you do in your private spaces. 

A little humanity and tolerance people and a few less excuses and less hidding behind your beliefs. 

you hit this nail right on it's head. this hetro thanks you for your view and your tolerance of others. Thats what it has to be to keep everyone valid. 

It still is a rose. 

Lets see if I understand here, and I may be wrong, but... 

God hates sin. Someone said that in this thread. 

Homosexuality is a sin. Someone has said that. 

The Bible told me so. Others back themselves up with that one too. 

Call it what you must/want, hatred by any means is hatered. Wrap it up in a pretty box and put a bow on it, the message is still clear.  

sueellis35 , 

Sorry in advance for useing you as an example, but since this has been brought up already about your deamons, I will take liberty here. 

An overweight person faces many hurdles in life. Challanges posed by genetics, emotions, conditions, and triggers. Some people face more, some less. 

However, in todays society, overweight people, on a whole, tend to have to face hatred/disgust of their size. They are told by others that thay are not healthy, that they take up too much room and need to pay for that extra seat on the plane, given the evil eye for ordering their fries kingsized, and then given another spaztic eye when they order a diet coke wiht that, oh, did I just make an inapproiate comment about how contrdictory  society, or a large portion of society look down on those that are deemed to be overweight?  

Is that not precieved as hatred of something you are, by others?  

All without directly saying, "I hate overweight people, and that means you." 

Again, sorry sueellis35  for useing you in this way. I may have taken too much liberty here, but my example can be spread across the board (not the message board) yo be applied to various issues. Be it weight, sexism, or hetrosexist. 

A ROSE, BY ANY OTHER NAME, IS STILL A ROSE. 

There seem to be many people who believe that homosexuality is a choice.  I imagine for some people it is.  But ... consider for a moment that you are born that way.  I mean, couldn't it be possible?  For those of us who have had children, we know what an incredible miracle each stage of development in the womb is.  At any given time though, something could go wrong ... with any number of things.  I'm not at all saying that being gay is wrong, but making the point that MILLIONS of things happen neurologically, hormonally, physically during the development of a fetus.  Why couldn't this be one of them?   

For those of you who continually quote the Bible on this issue ... are you conveniently picking and choosing which versus to take literally to make your argument, or are you praciticing what the ENTIRE Bible says word for word?