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Topic : 06/06 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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Created on : Friday, October 14, 2005, 03:56:41 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/19/05) Sexual orientation used to be something kept hidden from family and co-workers, but now more and more people are "coming out" and finding acceptance. Anjela says her mother and sister don't support her sexual orientation, and feel she can't be Christian and gay at the same time. Can they reconcile this touchy issue? Then, two men debate whether a person can go from gay to straight, and parents of a 4-year-old boy fear their son's desire to play with dolls and wear heels means he'll grow up to be gay. Are they overreacting to his wishes to be a princess instead of a prince? Talk about gender and gay issues here.


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October 19, 2005, 8:36 pm PDT

SO YOU'RE GAY!

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First of all, thanks for your response and not coming off with an attack...THANK YOU 

  

Alot of people pose that question about the bible being true.  I can only tell you that I can understand why you would have doubts, but I don't.  I believe the bible to be 100% the word of God.   

  

I guess one of the great things about free will and freedom of choice is we all get to have our own opinions. 

  

Again, thanks for the response and have a wonderful evening. 

You will always have people saying that the Bible was not written by God.  Nobody said it was ... but it does say it was inspired.  Daniel did not even understand what he was writing, and he was told to write because it would be revealed at the time of the end.  And, are they ever! 

 

I do note that those who use this reasoning, as well as "it's your interpretation", know nothing about what the Bible teaches.  If they did, they would not be making these statements.  The Bible has outlived thousands of scientific books that have become obsolete.  It is amazing that the Bible is very up-to-date.  It is us that are out of step. 

 
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October 19, 2005, 8:41 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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You will always have people saying that the Bible was not written by God.  Nobody said it was ... but it does say it was inspired.  Daniel did not even understand what he was writing, and he was told to write because it would be revealed at the time of the end.  And, are they ever! 

 

I do note that those who use this reasoning, as well as "it's your interpretation", know nothing about what the Bible teaches.  If they did, they would not be making these statements.  The Bible has outlived thousands of scientific books that have become obsolete.  It is amazing that the Bible is very up-to-date.  It is us that are out of step. 

I could not agree with you more.   

  

We are living, and breathing the book of Revelations right now!  I feel for those that do not have their relationship right with God.  We are in the end times.  God Bless you and yours. 

 
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October 19, 2005, 8:42 pm PDT

not bashing

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It's true God himself did not write the bible, but he chose the men who did, and the bible is not just a single book, but I would not expect someone who didn't try to understand and study the books of the bible to have anything good to say, but that's okay, your not the only fool to bash Christians, we're used to it but God said it would be this way, our will is to please God and keep trying to reach the lost (you my friend),  you can not nor never will you break the will of a true Christian. I will pray for you and ask God to forgive you because you are very troubled.  God Bless you
Sorry that you feel I was bashing you, I'm not! I think it is great that we live in a country where we are all free to believe whatever we want. I was just voicing my opinion like everyone else. I'm not "lost" I have studied many religions and I believe if your beliefs help you in life that is great,(for you). For me however when I step into any "church" I find no comfort but do enjoy looking at the sculptures and lovely stained glass.
 
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October 19, 2005, 8:43 pm PDT

hetero privledges

I think the female guest who said that us heterosexual people flaunt our sexuality is totally correct. I recognize that being able to opening discuss my marriage, wear a wedding ring, and walk down the street holding hands with my husband is a privledge many gay, lesbian, bi, transgender, queer Americans are denied.
 
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October 19, 2005, 8:43 pm PDT

The Bible & Homosexuality

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 I know where they come from - Leviticus specifically.

Dr. Laura is Jewish and I don't know why the Jewish laws are mentioned as there are no Jewish people debating against homosexual behaviour.

Most of us here are Christians and while Jesus came to fulfill the law, he and his followers also mentioned references to homosexuality in the New Testament  - none of which are favourable.

Although i keep hearing that this lifestyle is favourable, I have yet to see anyone posting any scriptures to enlighten me.

I respectfully refer you to Romans 1:28, and read to the end of the chapter.  I have already quoted it once, but you can read it for yourself.  This is a letter written by the Apostle Paul to the Romans.  Interesting. 

 
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October 19, 2005, 8:45 pm PDT

Homosexuality and God

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Standing in applause. 

  

  

When you get through standing and applauding, my advise to to kneel and pray for understanding.
 
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October 19, 2005, 8:46 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

 I tend to agree with irishmom, I believe it is against Bible teachings,  but I have my own mirror to look into prior to looking at someone else.   I also feel that what you do in the privacy of your home is your business, and I don't feel the need to see it out on the street.   I don't want to see two people climbing all over each other, whether they are heterosexual or homosexual.  I have no problem with the average PDA's.  Hand holding, an ordinary kiss, etc.  It seems that homosexual's see PDA's as a way to make their point .  I don't need to see someone's tongue darting in/out of their partners  mouth.  Homosexuals seem to be more  "in your face" and defined by their sexuality.  Who you sleep with shouldn't be all a person is about.  How about their hobbies, jobs, families, etc.  These things seem to get lost in their sexuality.    Just my opinion and observations.
 
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October 19, 2005, 8:48 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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Interesting take on crib death. I never thought of it like that. 

  

Tammy 

 I personally don't beleive in reincarnation at all.

the most logical reason being that, no matter how you believe humans originated, (Adam and Eve or evolution) in the beginning, whenever that was, there were very few of us.  Like 2 of us.  And let's say these 2 people somehow got souls. (that in itself is a problem if you believe you have to get souls from a dead person, but we'll let that big one go)  So these two people have souls.  Before they die, they leave descendants.  Conservatively let's say 30 before they die.  Now, when they die, where do these two souls go?  They go into the next generation.  By the time the next set dies, we've got like 300 still only people and only 2 souls.  We've got a huge math problem.   Now enough souls to go around. 

People have to be born with souls because 1)  where did the first souls come from and b) as the population continues, where do all those additional souls come from


 
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October 19, 2005, 8:50 pm PDT

Gay Four Year Old????

What in the heck is going on with our society? A four year old boy wants to play with dolls so his parents go on Dr. Phil to see if he's gay? Please...get on with your lives!
 
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October 19, 2005, 8:51 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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 I found it interesting that the gay man said if it were possible to turn straight, he would have done it a long time ago. No why did he want to? Is it possible that deep down he knows it's wrong and wants to really be different?

Because if he coiuld become straight, that would make life easier.  Easier is not always better, however.  Dealing with hardships can make you a better person.  People who never faced any dounts about their sexuality do not understand how HARD it is to be gay, and assume the being gay is just the easy way out.  Easy would be finding the first man I meet on the street, marry him, have kids, etc.  It also would .proably litterally be that death of me.  I tried the straight (and narrow?  since when is homosexuality the path widely traveled?) path and the depression that ensued nearly wrecked my life.  Everything suffered, including my relationship with God. 

  

If you have never experienced what this is like, then you have a right to an opinion, but your opinion is just that - an opinion- and due to you lack of experience, carries little credence.  If in my experience, I tell you I've tried "changing" my sexuality and it doesnt work, who then has the right to come and say its because I didnt try hard enough, didnt find the "right" program, didn't really want to change in the first place, etc.  If I say in my personal experience, I never made a choice to be gay, that Im lying, and if I claim there is no history of abuse or neglect in my childhood, who still gets to blame my parents for being the "root cause" of my sexuality?  If I tell you I know God and His voice in my life, that I understand the phenomena of a born-again Christian, that I pray and read the Bible and have that relationship no different than any other Christian, who has the right to tell me that I'm not a "real" Christian?  That the one telling me I dont need to change is Satan?  Who here is qualified to make such statements?  Who gets to pick and choose who God really is going to save? 

  

When Jesus spent his time on Earth, he wasn't in the churches of the time.  He didnt give those religious people who condmned others for their sins any of his valuable time.  He spent his time amoung those whom the religious found unfit for the Kingdom of God, whores and tax collectors and theives and adulters, children and widows and lepers.   He said to those who found this association taboo that however you treat these of his children, so you treat Him.  When he was with them, he didnt preach to them ~ He understood there was a time and plae for preaching, and a time for spending time with people, learning more about them, having some wine and loving on them.  For the duration of his time on Earth HE CONDEMNED NOBODY, stating that there was a time and place where His Father would deal justly with all.   

  

To live like Jesus lived is to follow that expample, that and no other.  I dont care a flying flip about what Paul or the crazy man down the street has to say about anything if it conflicts this essential truth.  If you believe the mistranslation of Pauls words, fine.  Its your right.  To live like Jesus however, is to understand the importance of loving that person first, to let no matter of of sin come between you and that person now matter how much you "hate the sin" to understand the boundries of when its appropriate to preach and when its not, and to understand no matter what you think about somebody, you do not understand their own relationship with God, you know nothing of it, and you do not know what will come when the day of judgement arrives, of anybody except yourself.  Talk about the 'technicalities" of what judging really means aside, assuming in any case that a homosexual cannot really be a Christian, can not really have that personal relationship with Christ, can be "changed" and can not be saved, are well outside those boundries 

 
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