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Topic : 06/06 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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(Original Air Date: 10/19/05) Sexual orientation used to be something kept hidden from family and co-workers, but now more and more people are "coming out" and finding acceptance. Anjela says her mother and sister don't support her sexual orientation, and feel she can't be Christian and gay at the same time. Can they reconcile this touchy issue? Then, two men debate whether a person can go from gay to straight, and parents of a 4-year-old boy fear their son's desire to play with dolls and wear heels means he'll grow up to be gay. Are they overreacting to his wishes to be a princess instead of a prince? Talk about gender and gay issues here.


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October 19, 2005, 8:51 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

I think people associate MORE sin with homosexuality.  In God's eyes, a sin is a sin is a sin.  Someone who steal a candy bar, tells a lie, kills a person, or is a homosexual, in God's eye, it is all the same.  The same forgiveness is given to ALL for sins each of us has commited.  When people talk about being gay and saying that if it is a sin then why does God make it so hard for me?  It's not to be easy.  That's why the path to righteousness is narrow.  God does have a lot of guidelines, and as human beings will free will, we will not make it without sining.  But God is a loving God, he will forgive if we ask with a pure heart.  There is no one in the world that doesnot struggle with something, but what's awesome, the love that God has for us will give us the strength to resist the temptation.  By no means am I perfect, and God knows that I've made more than my fair share of mistakes, but he still loves me and always will.  As the relationship with God grows, and the love that is returned to God, there is almost a desire to not do things that will upset God.  It's a relationship.  In the same way that one would not do something to a loved one that would hurt that loved one, especially as the relationship gets deeper, so does a Christian not want to do anything to hurt God, especially as the relationship gets deeper.  Paul speaks of the fight with flesh, basically he says, I do what I don't want to do, and what I do want to do, I don't.  There is a war between flesh and spirit and it's not uncommon.  When people are Gay and Christian, I believe they are unsuccessful in fighting the war between flesh and spirit, thus, giving into their temptaions.  There are people that deal with the same war, but it's drugs, alcohol, shoplifting, lying and may other things.  If one truely say if there was a way that I could be 'made straight' or however the guest on the show may have said it, and they are unsuccessful, they are not fully relying on God to help them overcome the desires of the flesh. 

 
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October 19, 2005, 8:51 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: blessed23

I just don't understand why so many people think that if you don't agree with homosexuality that you hate homosexuals. There are a lot of people I disagree with, that doesn't mean I hate them. My father is a Muslim, but I love him very much, even though I believe the only way to salvation is through Christ. My father also cheated on my mother repeatedly, which is adultery and just sinful as homosexuality. But despite it all I love him. You can disagree with someone's lifestyle and still fully love them!!
 Because they are taught that we hate them, we are ignorant, unaccepting and have no basis for our beleifs.  And they seem to want to believe it, despite what we keep telling them.

These are not true.

We don't hate them and we do have a basis for our beleifs and that is the belief in God and what He has told us through His word.

 
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October 19, 2005, 8:52 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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When you get through standing and applauding, my advise to to kneel and pray for understanding.

Amen to that ! If they only knew the calm they would have in their lives if they just let God in ! I keep reading all this nonsense about this acceptance of homosexuality and I just have to sit back and take a deep breath and ask God to just let me reach at least one lost soul.  

 

Because he lives I can face tomorrow................................. 

 
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October 19, 2005, 8:53 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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why does religion have to play such a large part in this topic. If there is a God do you really think he is so concerned about 2 women sleeping together?  Perhaps if people were less worried about other peoples' private lives and more concerned about ways to make this world a better place, clean air, food for everyone, jobs, the homeless etc...  people would be happier.  

If you aren't gay then you don't know if it is a choice or not! I believe people are born either straight or gay, and whatever you are is cool with me!  

 Yes, I do think He's concerned about this and that's why he mentioned it a number of times.  And that's why we are here trying to point this out to people. 

We don't think we are above God.  We don't think we have a right to change what He has said.  If he's stated something, there are good reasons for that.


 
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October 19, 2005, 8:53 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

 It pains me to think that there are so many rigid closed minded ppl in this country.  I mean why is it anyone elses job to chastise others for their personal business?  I think that those who are so against it are just afraid.  I guess whoever first said ignorance is bliss, really knew what they were talking about.
 
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October 19, 2005, 8:54 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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Well, 

  

What have you recovered from then? Alchoholism right? And you can't begin recovery untill you call it what it is. Admitting the truth is the first step. The moment you forget your illness will be the moment the illness takeshold again. 

  

The moment an alchoholic denies that first step, they begin their slide back into addiction.  

  

Staying true to one's addiction, and not clouding up with pretty names and the like, will allow the addict, alchoholic, smoker, etc. to take the next step towards sobriety.  

When God delivers you from abusing alcohol, He is delivering you from the sin of "gluttony"  Gluttony means doing anything in excess.  It is not a sin to have a glass of wine before dinner or even to drink a beer every now and then.  The sin is in excess.  So you are delivered from the sin of gluttony.   

  

I will go there before you do.........Yes, I am dealing with the sin of gluttony in my own life and yes I am in prayer, and counsel about it.  I have full faith that with the prayers of my church family, friends, family and myself I will be delivered from this sin and overcome it.  

 
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October 19, 2005, 8:55 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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Has it ever occured to you that there might be gay or bisexual people out there that DON'T want to change?  You just compared being gay to being an alcoholic and a drug addict.  Being gay is not a hang up in everyone's lives.  While I'm straight myself, I have several friends that are gay and bisexual.  They're happy the way they are.  And I really don't believe the fact that you can change that unless you truly decide it's not a part of who you are...if it's part of the person you are, you shouldn't try and change it either. 

 If it were up to me and there was no God, I really wouldn't care less about this issue.

But there is a God and He's stated quite a number of times that this behaviour is a sin.   So, if society is out there saying it's okay, I'll be here fighting the good fight. 

Just like if adultry was becoming a popular option, I'd be here. 


 
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October 19, 2005, 9:03 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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I was a little surprised that Dr. Phil said this was a phase for the 4 year old who dressed up in womens clothes and asked why God didn't make him a girl.  The child is being his authentic self without reservation.  He likes what he likes, girls toys, clothes, etc.  He doesn't like what he doesn't like, boys toys.  That's it.  He is being who he really is without societal pressure telling him who he should or should not be.  His mother is homophobic.  Well that's probably why God gave her a child likely to be gay, to teach her to love.  Because being homophobic is about hate and anger, not love.   

  

I am 27, and was exactly like that 4 year old, and guess what, I'm gay.  I don't know why, I just always new since I was 6.  However, I don't like wearing womens clothes now as an adult - they're just too revealing LOL.  But I played with girls toys, didn't like the boys toys.  Loved being friends with girls, didn't like hanging out with boys but was always attracted.  So let people be who they are.  God made each of us unique and out of love.  As long as you aren't hurting anybody, it's ok.  The mother - is hurting herself by hanging on to the homophobia anger and hate.  The child is just being himself and she'll end up hurting him unless she lets the love in.   

  

Accept what God created and stop judging. Love one another for all our glorious uniqueness.   

The little boy may or may not be gay. I honestly don't know. If he feels like a  little girl, it sounds like he may have gender dysphoria. But then again, he is only 4.  Who knows what will happen. I just hope he ends up happy and healthy. 

 
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October 19, 2005, 9:05 pm PDT

person vs. lifestyle

  

 I am a strong Christian who values her relationship with Jesus Christ,and hold fast to His teachings. 

 Alot of people get hung up on the whole" Jesus says to love everyone" and that you should!!! Every human being,whether gay or straight have been made and created by God in HIS image....how amazing is that?! What Jesus commanded us to do though,is to LOVE the person but HATE the lifestyle. I totally believe in my heart of hearts that being gay IS a choice.....why? because none of us have ever been born gay.....God did not create adam and steve,but adam and eve!:)   In all of the scientific research done on the whole"born gay?" issue, no one has EVER been able to prove that people are born gay....and that is because it is not possible!! It IS however possible, to be tempted in our flesh to succomb to that lifestyle,and those activities....I believe that Jesus Himself was tempted by the gay lifestyle...because in the Bible it  says that" He faced and endured EVERY temptation known to man" EVERY temptation!!! You don't really think of someone as perfect and amazing as Jesus, the only perfect man to every walk the earth....to be tempted to be gaye....but I believe that He was!   I believe that there IS hope,without a shadow of a doubt,for those who struggle with homesexual temptations. It is no different the struggling with lust, alchoholism, drugs, sex,etc.... they are all things that people CHOOSE to do and be apart of....being gaye has just as many emotional, physical and spiritual consequences then the things i listed and then some! 

 It does make me sick those who are so against gayes,and are so unaccepting.... They are people, with feelings, desires,needs and loves...just like anyone else....... I just choose not to support their lifestyle, or encourage it,  because I believe that it is impossible to "be" your lifestyle....people LIVE their lifestyle,they make the choice. 

  God bless all of you, and I hope and pray that this message has made some people think, and to continue to pray for those who struggle with homesexuality....it can't be easy, that is for sure. 

  

 
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October 19, 2005, 9:05 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: pbdavis

I watched the show and know that religion was a huge part of it.  

That said and I know people are going to be angry but please remember that "God" did not write the bible, men wrote the bible and who is to say that they didn't get it 100% correct? Man is fallible.  

It is true that people will have opinions, as they are entitled.  

But what some people find immoral or sinful others don't(like me).  

Of course if you haven't guessed I'm agnostic. As long as everyone is saying that they are christians or whatever figured you need a good old fashioned hethen's point of view. 

 Holy men inspired by God wrote the Bible.

Some of them were kings, some were farmers.  Most did not know each other.  They lived in different geographical locations.  Their written history spans thousands of years.  Despite these facts, they had one thing in common - the same God.   And these men wrote as God inspired them.  They praised and worshipped one God and considered themselves very lowly and humble in comparison.  How many writers want themselves to be known as 'worm like"? 

The first books of the Bible are also happen to be the first known written accounts by mankind

And there are more than 500 peices of evidence to prove it's authenticity - even the writing themselves have been proven to have been remarkably preserved through the Dead sea Scrolls.  Just two weeks ago, a 2000 year old copy of Leviticus was found.   There is even some archaeological proof of the people written about - Logically, the royalty, like King David, King Hezekiah, Queen Jezebel and King Nebuchadnezzar. 

Some of the writers foretold future events.  In fact 1/4 of the Bible is about prophesy and it just happens to be 100 percent accurate in all accounts thus far. 
 
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