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Topic : 06/06 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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(Original Air Date: 10/19/05) Sexual orientation used to be something kept hidden from family and co-workers, but now more and more people are "coming out" and finding acceptance. Anjela says her mother and sister don't support her sexual orientation, and feel she can't be Christian and gay at the same time. Can they reconcile this touchy issue? Then, two men debate whether a person can go from gay to straight, and parents of a 4-year-old boy fear their son's desire to play with dolls and wear heels means he'll grow up to be gay. Are they overreacting to his wishes to be a princess instead of a prince? Talk about gender and gay issues here.


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October 19, 2005, 9:07 pm PDT

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See the difference between you and me is I can take criticism. I know God loves me. I know that I am loved by my family, friends, my church family. Which to let you know...Have all talked to me about my weight. See I am not opposed to taking sin out of my life in order to lead a life more approving to God. I am not opposed to saying this is my issue and I am not going to use anything...abuse, childhood trauma or anything else as an excuse for it. It is what it is...you are right about that, it is sin. But, see unlike you, I have a awesome relationship with God, and He not a human, but He has convicted my heart, and He is going to deliver me from the sin.

This is an issue I am working on daily and have already seen lots of progress being made.

God Bless

O.K. 

  

First of all, Because I may have a different relationship with God and Christ than you do, does not make one right and the other less right. You do not know me, nor even know barely know of me, please do not assume that your relationship with God and Christ is far more superior than mine or any other person's. Woe to ye.  

  

What I oppose is when someone insists that someone else's sins take presidence over their own.  

  

Jesus did not say, "Those with less sin, or a lesser sin, or a more insignificant sin, may thow the first stone." 

  

No, the difference between me and you, is that you like to throw stones at others for a sin, that just might, in the eyes of God, be a lesser sin than your own. Both you and I will only know on our judgement day. Please, do not make that day today, as God has not called upon me to die yet.  

  

Just as I have not attacked you, or subjugated you by your sins, I ask the same of you.  

  

Thank you in advance. 

 
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October 19, 2005, 9:08 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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When you get through standing and applauding, my advise to to kneel and pray for understanding.

As long as we kneel and pray togeather.  

  

Both for better understanding of eachother. 

 
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October 19, 2005, 9:09 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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 If it were up to me and there was no God, I really wouldn't care less about this issue.

But there is a God and He's stated quite a number of times that this behaviour is a sin.   So, if society is out there saying it's okay, I'll be here fighting the good fight. 

Just like if adultry was becoming a popular option, I'd be here. 


I can only respond saying if you have friends and family who are gay and you are okay with it and you condone it, then you are just as guilty, you are suppose to turn away from those who are. It says so in black and white, how simple to understand !
 
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October 19, 2005, 9:12 pm PDT

it is our business

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 It pains me to think that there are so many rigid closed minded ppl in this country.  I mean why is it anyone elses job to chastise others for their personal business?  I think that those who are so against it are just afraid.  I guess whoever first said ignorance is bliss, really knew what they were talking about.

  

 I understand where you are coming from, but it is by ALL MEANS our business when it means that a God ordained marriage between a man and woman is endangered in our society.  There are probably ignorant people out there that truely ARE ignorant....but I do believe that twice as many,if not more, are totally eduated on the subject before giving a direct stand on such a serious issue that will affect our country and how our children are being raised. 

  Aids is an issue we are to be concerned with...... this is an ever growing crisis and dilima in the gay community..... the chance of contracting STDS are high as well. 

  Being "closed minded" and"ignorant" means not taking the time to understand the homesexual lifestyle, it does not apply to those who are concerned and desire to learn more about the homesexual lifestyle. 

 
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October 19, 2005, 9:13 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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 So are you saying that everything you pray for and give to God is answered?  Because I was under the impression that God makes the decisions.  If what you say was the case, we would not have poverty or hunger or war, I'm sure there is someone who has prayed for those things to cease.
 Good question.

God will not necessarily give us everything we ask for.  Often He'll say no. 

Like bad events as you mentions. God will allow events to happen - even bad ones.   When bad events happen, people naturally turn to Him.  He is concerned with each individual soul.  If you ask for something that is indeed good, He will give it to you.  Some may think that a brand new Mercedes is good, but it's probably not.  They will ask for it and not likely receive it.  And how would a brand new  Mercedes be of benefit to one's soul? It probably wouldn't be in any way.  It may even be harmful. So we have to look at what we know is God's will for everyone's lives.  For instance, if someone is a drunkard, we know from scripture that this is not a good and healthy thing.  So, if we pray and believe and really want and also take steps of faith in the right direction, God will see us through. 

God is a personal God, concerned with every heart.   In the vein of this discussion, we also know from scripture that homosexuality is not His will.  Therefore, if we ask for God's help, believe He can help us and take the necessary steps in the right direction, he will see us through.  there are thousand of recovered homosexuals to prove it. 


 
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October 19, 2005, 9:17 pm PDT

Christian & Gay

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Recently I have become a Chrstian and now attend church regularly.  I have struggled to understand what God wants for me, and how this pertains to my orientation.  There was a book written by E.T. Sundby, "Calling the Rainbow Nation Home" which has really helped me understand my love of God even though I am gay.  So much of the bible has been misinterpreted over the years due to inaccurate trasnlation into other languages.  I think people need to understand that it is honestly not a choice. I did not choose to be gay.  Why would I want to be the black sheep of the family?   

  • The choice is most definitely yours.    Showing love for our God means doing his Will.  His will does not include a violation of his laws.  Homosexuality is condemned in the Bible, in Romans 1:28 (read to end of Chapter).  There is no room for misinterpretation here.  Read any translation you want. 
  • Using the reasoning of:  "God didn't write the Bible", and "so much of the bible has been misinterpreted", is language used by those who have no understanding of his word.  They read it, but they don't understand it.  We must pray for understanding. 
  • Homosexuality is a choice having to do with the desires of the flesh.  God gave you the proper appendages for their proper use.  Don't excuse yourself by saying it "honestly is NOT a choice".  Of course it is. 
  • The alcoholism can also say he cannot change, nor the pedophile (who incidently could call his affliction his "sexual preference". Misuse is misuse, no matter how you try to make it seem otherwise.

 

 

 
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October 19, 2005, 9:17 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: verybusy

 It pains me to think that there are so many rigid closed minded ppl in this country.  I mean why is it anyone elses job to chastise others for their personal business?  I think that those who are so against it are just afraid.  I guess whoever first said ignorance is bliss, really knew what they were talking about.

Afraid???? Not even close my friend,  I have never been afraid of knowing the truth !  If anyone were to be afraid then you might think twice about seeking the word of God because are you even aware of what eternity in Hell would be like?  It's pretty simple to swallow when you think about it, all you have to do is educate yourself on the word of God and his promises of a better world, which by the way will not include you if you don't seek salvation and turn away from sin. 

 

BECAUSE HE LIVES I CAN FACE TOMORROW 

 
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October 19, 2005, 9:18 pm PDT

Just a question

Everyone keeps misinterpreting what us Christian are saying. Everyone keeps thinking that because we speak out against something it means we hate the person we are speaking out against. Has anyone even thought that maybe they are doing it out of love. That maybe they care enough about someone they don't even know to try to say something to help them see a wrong. I guess only someone who has been born again could know what it is like to REALLY LOVE EVERYONE. Loving someone doesn't mean that we agree with what they are doing it means we love them as a person and we want the best for them. My father was an alcoholic (which I believe is also a sin) and I begged him countless numbers of time to stop. Does that mean I didn't love him. No, it means that I cared so much about him to try to help him see the errors in his ways. Has anyone thought that we believe so much in our God and we know the contentment we feel in our hearts that we want everyone to experience that same thing. I promise you that every true Christian that has posted here has said what they said out of love and in the hope that what they have said might change at least one persons point of view so that they will seek to know God the way only a true born again Christian does.
 
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October 19, 2005, 9:18 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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There seem to be many people who believe that homosexuality is a choice.  I imagine for some people it is.  But ... consider for a moment that you are born that way.  I mean, couldn't it be possible?  For those of us who have had children, we know what an incredible miracle each stage of development in the womb is.  At any given time though, something could go wrong ... with any number of things.  I'm not at all saying that being gay is wrong, but making the point that MILLIONS of things happen neurologically, hormonally, physically during the development of a fetus.  Why couldn't this be one of them?   

  

For those of you who continually quote the Bible on this issue ... are you conveniently picking and choosing which versus to take literally to make your argument, or are you praciticing what the ENTIRE Bible says word for word?   

 If a baby boy is born gay, then he has sexual tendencies.  I don't think a baby boy has any sexual tendencies. 

I also think it's quite dangerous when people start saying that they knew they were gay at young ages like 5 or 6.   That means they started having developing sexual attractions at a young and innocent age, when Barbies and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles should be on their precious little minds. 
 
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October 19, 2005, 9:24 pm PDT

Who are we to judge?

I personally don't have an issue with homosexuality.  I also don't feel that it is something that is "chosen", but rather something that is genetic.  I also disagree with what the guest said regarding not being gay anymore because you go through counseling.  I also feel that he has basically been hiding from his sexual orientation and he has accomplished that through becoming a priest.  To say that just because someone, who was once gay, is not gay anymore just because they are married and have children is simply ridiculous.  My uncle is gay and he has been married and he has a son.  My mother-in-law has been married twice and has 3 children, but she is now a lesbian.  So does that mean that theysuddenly became gay during their marriages or after their divorces? I think not.
 
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