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Topic : 06/06 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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Created on : Friday, October 14, 2005, 03:56:41 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/19/05) Sexual orientation used to be something kept hidden from family and co-workers, but now more and more people are "coming out" and finding acceptance. Anjela says her mother and sister don't support her sexual orientation, and feel she can't be Christian and gay at the same time. Can they reconcile this touchy issue? Then, two men debate whether a person can go from gay to straight, and parents of a 4-year-old boy fear their son's desire to play with dolls and wear heels means he'll grow up to be gay. Are they overreacting to his wishes to be a princess instead of a prince? Talk about gender and gay issues here.


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October 19, 2005, 9:39 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: max_01

Standing in applause. 

  

  

 Christ spoke about marriage though, being a man and a woman being joined as one flesh.

And other New Testament writers also wrote about the subject of homosexuality.  It's there in the scriptures. 

So you can sit down now.  :)
 
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October 19, 2005, 9:39 pm PDT

SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT

IF SOME OBVIOUSLY GAY PEOPLE CAME INTO YOUR SUNDAY MORNING CHURCH SERVICE HOW WOULD YOU TREAT THEM? 

  

I HAVE ASKED SEVERAL PEOPLE THIS QUESTION AND WE TOLD BY THE BAPTISTS, WHICH I AM ONE, THAT THEY WOULD ASK THEM TO LEAVE. 

  

OTHERS SAID THEY WOULD JUST IGNORE THEM! 

  

OTHERS THAT THEY WOULD TRY TO GET THEM SAVED, BAPTISTS  AGAIN. 

  

I HAVE HEARD PREACHERS AND TEACHERS SAY OVER AND OVER AGAIN WHAT  A TERRIBLE SIN HOMOSEXUALITY  IS. BUT I THINK IF THEY WOULD SPEND ONE TENTH THE ENERGY ON PREVENTING CHILD SEXUAL  ABUSE  GOD WOULD BE MUCH MORE PLEASED WITH US. 

  

 
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October 19, 2005, 9:41 pm PDT

In Him, Mercy and Truth have kissed one another

Quote From: frogsnagga

Afraid???? Not even close my friend,  I have never been afraid of knowing the truth !  If anyone were to be afraid then you might think twice about seeking the word of God because are you even aware of what eternity in Hell would be like?  It's pretty simple to swallow when you think about it, all you have to do is educate yourself on the word of God and his promises of a better world, which by the way will not include you if you don't seek salvation and turn away from sin. 

 

BECAUSE HE LIVES I CAN FACE TOMORROW 

I think we Christians fall short in our ability to speak truth, but to do it  in love. When Jesus encountered sinners, he was able  to speak the truth to them and  at times be invited over for dinner. As Christians we really do love Jesus and we are so grateful for the salvation and mercy we have received...sometimes/often we fail to speak like Jesus spoke, and love like Jesus loved. PLEASE FORGIVE US FOR ANY HURT WE HAVE INFLICTED ON YOU AND YOUR LIFESTYLE. We do believe in the teachings of the bible and we  believe that Jesus is the only way to eternal life and "life more abundant...today." We will continue to do our best to speak the truth in love...I just think we have a long ways to go. Maybe we will have a chance to have some meaningful conversations and then get together for dinner. I love good food and great coffee. I look forward to sharing some good meal times with new friends. God Bless!
 
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October 19, 2005, 9:44 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

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Because if he coiuld become straight, that would make life easier.  Easier is not always better, however.  Dealing with hardships can make you a better person.  People who never faced any dounts about their sexuality do not understand how HARD it is to be gay, and assume the being gay is just the easy way out.  Easy would be finding the first man I meet on the street, marry him, have kids, etc.  It also would .proably litterally be that death of me.  I tried the straight (and narrow?  since when is homosexuality the path widely traveled?) path and the depression that ensued nearly wrecked my life.  Everything suffered, including my relationship with God. 

  

If you have never experienced what this is like, then you have a right to an opinion, but your opinion is just that - an opinion- and due to you lack of experience, carries little credence.  If in my experience, I tell you I've tried "changing" my sexuality and it doesnt work, who then has the right to come and say its because I didnt try hard enough, didnt find the "right" program, didn't really want to change in the first place, etc.  If I say in my personal experience, I never made a choice to be gay, that Im lying, and if I claim there is no history of abuse or neglect in my childhood, who still gets to blame my parents for being the "root cause" of my sexuality?  If I tell you I know God and His voice in my life, that I understand the phenomena of a born-again Christian, that I pray and read the Bible and have that relationship no different than any other Christian, who has the right to tell me that I'm not a "real" Christian?  That the one telling me I dont need to change is Satan?  Who here is qualified to make such statements?  Who gets to pick and choose who God really is going to save? 

  

When Jesus spent his time on Earth, he wasn't in the churches of the time.  He didnt give those religious people who condmned others for their sins any of his valuable time.  He spent his time amoung those whom the religious found unfit for the Kingdom of God, whores and tax collectors and theives and adulters, children and widows and lepers.   He said to those who found this association taboo that however you treat these of his children, so you treat Him.  When he was with them, he didnt preach to them He understood there was a time and plae for preaching, and a time for spending time with people, learning more about them, having some wine and loving on them.  For the duration of his time on Earth HE CONDEMNED NOBODY, stating that there was a time and place where His Father would deal justly with all.   

  

To live like Jesus lived is to follow that expample, that and no other.  I dont care a flying flip about what Paul or the crazy man down the street has to say about anything if it conflicts this essential truth.  If you believe the mistranslation of Pauls words, fine.  Its your right.  To live like Jesus however, is to understand the importance of loving that person first, to let no matter of of sin come between you and that person now matter how much you "hate the sin" to understand the boundries of when its appropriate to preach and when its not, and to understand no matter what you think about somebody, you do not understand their own relationship with God, you know nothing of it, and you do not know what will come when the day of judgement arrives, of anybody except yourself.  Talk about the 'technicalities" of what judging really means aside, assuming in any case that a homosexual cannot really be a Christian, can not really have that personal relationship with Christ, can be "changed" and can not be saved, are well outside those boundries 

 What do you mean the misinterpretation of Paul's words?  Paul the apostle?  You mean the mention from the book of Romans?  How do you Interpret it?


 
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October 19, 2005, 9:46 pm PDT

Tolerance

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 It pains me to think that there are so many rigid closed minded ppl in this country.  I mean why is it anyone elses job to chastise others for their personal business?  I think that those who are so against it are just afraid.  I guess whoever first said ignorance is bliss, really knew what they were talking about.

It's very upsetting that we live in a society where people can't learn to tolerate people for what they are or who they are.  No one is asking to be preached at.  If you don't like the actions of gay people, please do us a favor and keep it to yourself.  I have never met a gay person who has EVER criticized someone else for being straight, gay, bi, or transgendered.  It's quite funny to see how people who are so against our lifestyle are so quick to judge.  Last time I checked that job is up to God and not imperfect human beings.  Extract the straw out of your own eye before you do for someone else.  Take a few minutes and look at yourselves.    

 
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October 19, 2005, 9:47 pm PDT

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I am a mom to a gay 25 year old daughter.  She has been out to us for 4 years now and during that time the road has definitely been rough to say the least.  My daughter was raised in a Catholic family as I was and also my mother before me.  Weekly religion classes as well as regular church attendance were the norm.  I only say this because religion in our household was not held lightly.  I probably will never fully understand "how" my daughter could be gay but we have spent many hours crying, talking and sharing thoughts.  She has tried to get across to me that people only see homosexuality as being about sex--  as in the label itself.   She was in a relationship where sex was not the most important factor and really became secondary --  as it can become in a heterosexual relationship.  She asked me if my marriage of 25 years can be only boiled down to sex.  I believe this.   My daughter loves God and accepts Jesus as HER savior.  The bible teaches many things and condemns much as well.  I believe those things are the EXCESS.  The sections of the bible describing "homosexuality" I feel pertain more to lust or violence or rape which is sin.  The bible does not talk about natural gay love.  People keep saying "if you REALLY"  knew the bible.....  well there are passages which would support slavery, beating your kids, revenge.  It says women should not teach or hold positions of authority...etc.    none of which God intended.  I feel that you can read the words but miss the message.  I am offended when people say that you cannot be gay and be a christian.  Look at the commandments-   Anyone that is working on a Sunday is a Christian??,   The divorced people are not christians.??...  Well I am getting into more than I intended.  The point is my daughter has contemplated suicide rather than try to go through life gay and I totally believe that  it is not a choice, some people are born that way.  I love my daughter and accept her and know that God does too.   

 
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October 19, 2005, 9:48 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: judybug

Why do you feel that it is your job to point out what is and is not okay with God?  You are not the judge of  your fellow mankind.  We will all be judged by a higher power.  It makes me angry when judgemental, narrow-minded christians try to tell people how to live and who to love.  It is supposed to be a personal relationship that each of us has with God, so therefore worry about how you live your own life and the choices you make.  Frankly,  we don't need anyone to tell us whether or not our sex life will land us in hell or not.   Homosexuality is not a crime; it is a loving relationship between consenting adults.  However, it is barely tolerated by society (and sometimes not tolerated at all) and largely due to the lack of exposure many of us have to homosexuality.  We only imagine what it is like to be gay, but we don't know fully until someone close to us comes out of the closet.  Then we become exposed to it and become educated.  It is no different than heterosexual sex.  I know a lot of lesbian women that are in very healty, loving relationships.  And they are more committed to each other than most hetero couples I know.  The only difference is that this society does not legally recognize their marriage to each other.   There are a lot better things out there for christians to worry about than pointing out the sins of others. 

Go back and read what I posted a little bit ago called "JUST A QUESTION." I don't know about the person you were responding to but that is my answer to the first part of your question. I'm not judging, just sharing a different point of view in which we are all entitled. 

 
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October 19, 2005, 9:50 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: pbdavis

Sorry that you feel I was bashing you, I'm not! I think it is great that we live in a country where we are all free to believe whatever we want. I was just voicing my opinion like everyone else. I'm not "lost" I have studied many religions and I believe if your beliefs help you in life that is great,(for you). For me however when I step into any "church" I find no comfort but do enjoy looking at the sculptures and lovely stained glass.

I accept your apology, and I also offer you my apology for being harsh,  you seem to be honest, all I can say is I hope and pray you can find a church you feel comfortable in someday, just please don't give up trying. Not all churches are hard to like. It took me a while to settle in to my church that I love dearly, and the best part is they accepted me just like I am (a jeans and t-shirt) person. But what's great is our Pastor wears the same. Just keep trying. 

  

God Bless 

 
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October 19, 2005, 9:54 pm PDT

10/19 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Quote From: verybusy

 It pains me to think that there are so many rigid closed minded ppl in this country.  I mean why is it anyone elses job to chastise others for their personal business?  I think that those who are so against it are just afraid.  I guess whoever first said ignorance is bliss, really knew what they were talking about.
 Hey Very Busy:

I guess you've been too busy to read the threads because we've addressed about 100 comments just like yours.
 
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October 19, 2005, 9:56 pm PDT

HOMOSEXUALITY IS CONDEMNED IN BIBLE!

Quote From: tulseyjoe

There is absolutely no scripture in the Old Testament nor the New Testament which literally mentions what we in modern times would consider to be sexual activity by those who are exclusively homosexual. In the 3 chapters of the Bible which literally mention same-gender sexual activity, the situation is the pagan worship of fertility gods and/or goddesses by heterosexuals who have gone to a pagan temple or other place of worship to make a sacrifice of male "seed" to the false gods to insure more human offspring by those heterosexuals in relationship with women.  

  

One must read Leviticus chapters 18 through 20 in complete context where the Israelites are told not to follow the cultural/religious practices of the Canaanites which includes the worship of Asherah, aka Astarte, the Canaanite fertility goddess, and her male co-hort, Ba'al, aka Milcom or Molech (both words mean "king").  A male holy (Kodesh) person serving the goddess or god in that situation was called a "sodomite" elsewhere in the bible. "Kodesh" the word mistranslated as "sodomite" (in other Bible books) is literally a "holy" (person, place, or thing) in the Hebrew Language. 

  

Often this holy person representing the goddess Asherah would dress up in female drag and the male (definitely hetersosexual) would have sex with the male holy person and in the worshipper's mind and spirit, it was as if he was having sex with the goddess herself and not with a male at all.  

  

The only other place in the Bible where same-gender sexual activity is condemned is in Romans Chapter 1, In that chapter, the context where that takes place is also in a pagan fertility temple.  

  

To some ignorant right-wing Bible-thumpers, there is only one sin in that chapter; but, the real truth is that at the end of the chapter there is a whole list of other sins which those "thumpers" are guilty of  themselves. But, they act like those don't exist.  

  

Added note here: I did graduate work in theology at Oral Roberts University in the latter 1970s. The Roberts family and the university is in denial of the fact that Oral and Evelyn Roberts' first born son, Ronald Oral Roberts, left the closet after I went to ORU and he openly admitted to several people I knew that he was gay. Troy Perry, founder of the MCC denomination, wrote about Ronald in one of his books. A former local MCC pastor here in Tulsa told me that Ron and she were friends and that he definitely was gay. 

  • So, then, speaking of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malicious disosition, ...disobedient to parents, without understanding, having no natural affection, all pertain to the "pagan fertility temple"?  PLEASE!  I don't think anyone mentioned only one sin in this chapter.  We can read it for ourselves and see that obscene and indecent use of the flesh is only one of many.
  • You will find a duplication of some of these "sins" in 2 Tim. 3, where it speaks of the last days ... and this wasn't speaking of the "pagan" temple. 
  • I'm always amazed how people will use phrases like "misinterpretation" or quote out of context to fit whatever argument they want to put up.  Wrong is wrong, and it is time we wake up from our dormant state and become aware that we are living in the last days. 
  • I may not make it with being faithful to the end,  and you may not make it either.  But believe me, I will try and hope that everyone will too.   We must let God speak without trying to change the meaning of his message.    God's love can penetrate through to our minds and hearts and we CAN change, not matter what or who we are right now.
 
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