Topic : 06/06 "I'm Gay, OK?"

Humans are not the only species on Earth that experiences homosexuality. Homosexual individuals have been found in all different species ranging from other homo sapiens (like chimpanzees) to domesticated animals and livestock. These animals are not graced with the human capability (or at least to the extent that humans have) to be able to "choose" a lifestyle. They know instinct, which is, in it's entirety, sub-conscious and preordained. For this simple reason, homosexuality CANNOT be a choice. You CANNOT change orientation any more than you can change your NATURAL hair color. You can change behavior, there are homosexuals everywhere married to the opposite sex with children and all, but you CANNOT change ORIENTATION. In my personal opinion, homosexuality is part of a person’s DNA. Sexual orientation is what powers our attraction to other human beings for the purpose of procreation. Though it is true, naturally, only the pairing of one female and one male (in reference to the human race) is able to produce a child due to necessary organs. This is why homosexuality is a minority, versus a majority. This is in no way different than the simple fact that redheads are less common than brunettes. Homosexuality is not a “disease,” “handicap,” nor a “mutation.” It is simply a difference in development. You may argue that it is not apparent in younger people, i.e. babies, toddlers, prepubescent children, etc. Keeping in mind this is a personal opinion, homosexuality is predetermined, yet is not “triggered” until an outside influence activates it. This will vary from person to person, and there are probably people out there with homosexual DNA but has never had it triggered, and may never have it triggered. Don’t hate something just because you don’t understand it.

I just finished watching this particular Dr. Phil show and I just have to sit and shake my head. I've known from a young age also that I was gay and it took me years of "doing the right thing" and marrying men and living a life of denial until I finally started to be true to myself. No, I didn't have "sexual fantasies" with my Barbie dolls or anything of that nature, but I did have an overwhelming attraction to women that did not fade with time. I too, did not suffer from any abuse, but  lived in a strict, Catholic home. I know my mother is rolling in her grave as I write this and she'll just have to get over it. I came to terms with my sexuality in my life after much prayer and soul searching. I don't believe that everything in the Bible is the God's truth. I believe that what is written in the Bible is an interpretation of God's word as written by his disciples. I don't believe that God makes mistakes in creating each and every one of us. I look at people like Fred Phelps, a minister here in Kansas that runs a website titled God Hates Fags. It's truly disgusting and to me, Fred Phelps is a very dangerous man hiding behind his own fears in what he truly believes is the word of God. If you lived next door to me and my partner of 5 years, you would find nothing unusual about us. We are educated, regular homeowner type people who just happen to be both women. And what we do in the privacy of our bedroom is no one's business. My sexuality is not the only quality that I have. Actually, being a lesbian is not even a quality if you ask me. Being kind, caring, not full of hatred and spreading fear among mankind are qualities that I would say I have. I am wired this way and don't care to change who or what I am. I am happier than I have every been in my life. My faith is strong and very much intact through all of the anguish and shame that I overcame to be my true self. This lifestyle is difficult at best and people are not always kind in expressing their opinions of what they think of me. I feel it's their loss in not knowing who I really am.

 First of all are you aware of what eternity in Hell would be like?  I think not, as you have never been there, and exactly what sin am I committing that  I am going to Hell if I don't turn away from it?  I am not gay, I am simply more concerned about my own life than to be judging others, which is not my job anyway.  Is God so overworked that he can't judge as he wishes to?  Think about what you say, and perfect yourself before judging others.

I seek no 'truth' in this debate, I simply believe that people have a right to their own lives and noone deserves to be harrassed or degraded because they do not 'conform'  with another persons view  or way of life.   

  

I agree, I would have liked to see a bigger response from the gay people, I doubt that they are hiding I think that they are tired of 'explaining' . 

  

Jenna, my truth is in my heart and the people that are in it. 

 The problem here is that you're trying to make a wrong a right. 

How can I possibly, as a Christian, tell you that homosexual is okay by God and okay by me, when the Bible, His word, says the contrary?

You can reconcile it because you want to, the same way I've ignored scriptures and reconciled them because I didn't want to face them. 

But if you consider yourself part of the body of Christ, then we are to help each other out.

"As a result, we are no longer children, to be tossed here and there by weaves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, by craftiness in deceitful scheming.  But speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in all aspects into Him who is the head even Christ"

Ephesians 4:14

You're right - we are not supposed to judge non Christians.

However,

1 Corinthians 5: 12
For what have I to do with judging outsiders?  Do you not judge those within the church?
But those on the outside, God will judge

I would urge you to also read 1 Corinthians 6.

     Homosexuality is a choice.  It is possible you were born with the choice to make a decision, because Gods word tells us that, but to try to pass off your personal beliefs as a developmental function during the birth process is wrong.  I do not claim to judge homosexuality, but I do claim to know the trueth and strive daily to pursue a right relationship with God.   

     Your personal beliefs are just that; personal.  They are between you and God, because I already know the trueth.  I do not need a defence for living right; all I need is Gods hand directing me along my path and a hope that everything will be okay.   

     And thier is an argumnet that can be fought if you consider that the Bible clearly states that a husband and wife are to become one flesh once they are married.  It does not anywhere; where I read brings homosexuality into marriage.  It also convey in the begining of the Bible that as the womans part in the relationship she is to multipy the families size.  Same sex relationships can not mutiply through the natural process of sex created and intended for a female and male companionship.  Why did God create Eve for Adam?  She was to be his companion.  His wife.  To bare Adams children.  If same sex relationships were okay then God would have given Adam another man to partener with, but instead he gives  woman and later he destroys a city built on homosexuality. 

     It is my personal belief that Gods word instructs us how to live and I have made the choice to live my life in Christ.  You belief as you do.  That is your personal belief.  Right or wrong.  Do not judge those that are dedicated to chosing thier own beliefs. 

    I have read several of the messages posted on the board and I can understand both sides of this issue, because I have a cousin that lives as a christrian, but uses the excuse that she was born with homosexuality.  I can love my cousin, but I do not have to accept the lifestyle she has choosen to live.  I do not have to surround myself or my daughter around that kind of behavior, but I can love her and I can pray for her and I can know the trueth and not allow it to affect my relationship with my cousin.  She understands my beliefs and she tries to be considerate of that by not flaunting her personal beliefs around my impressionable child.  Expressing who we are no matter who we are takes consideration and respect.  

 I agree.

You must get awfully dizzy turning away from all of us sinners in the world huh? I bet if I walked up to you right now, and you really got to know me for who I am, not who I love, you would be amazed at how good a person I am and how good a friend I could be to you.

 First off, if there is a discussion that will change the laws (like marriage) I have every right to voice my opinion. 

I am not the judge and I'm not judging anyone's soul, but who am I to say that something is right and okay when God says it is not?  Are you wiser than God?  Do you know better than He does?  Why do you condone something that he says is wrong?

Let me ask you, do you believe that it would be okay to allow a marriage between adult siblings?  Or do you think it would be okay if three people wanted to all get married?  Yes or no and most importantly, why?   (something tells me you won't stick around and answer these questions)

I am open minded.  I've made probably 40 posts on this website regarding the subject and have asked to see scriptures where God has condoned homosexual relationships.  People are telling me that these scriptures exist and I have been asking to see them, yet no one is posting them.

I guess open minded means that you just have to accept everything and ignore what God says on the subject.  Well, answer the questions above and let's see how open minded you are.

There are some of you who say that, according to the Bible, homosexuality is a sin, and there are some of you who say that the Bible does not even discuss homosexuality. I am sixteen and the only bible I have ever owned is a childrens bible I have had since I was eight, so maybe I am just young and ignorant, but the whole time whole time you all are talking about this, there is one question that keeps coming up in my head; Why? Why would God consider it a sin to be homosexuality, what is wrong with it in his eyes. Does it hurt anyone? Does it violate the ten commandments in some way? I just don't understand it. God, as I know him, does not see it as a sin to be different. When I sit down and wonder what God thinks of me and what kind of a person I am, I know he does not look at my body, my genes, or the way my brain functions, he looks at my soul, so that's all I look at. That is one of God's purest, simplest, and most meaningful truths, that all are equal in his eyes. It just baffles me as to why someones sexual orientation makes them any more or less worthy in God's eyes.